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Will Gay Marriage Pit Church Against Church?

There are 16102 comments on the news.yahoo.com story from Apr 27, 2009, titled Will Gay Marriage Pit Church Against Church?. In it, news.yahoo.com reports that:

The trouble they see is not just an America where general support for gay marriage will have driven a wedge between churches and the world, but between churches themselves.

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“Howdy How”

Since: Jan 09

Hayward, CA

#3568 Feb 5, 2013
Jazybird58 wrote:
<quoted text>Hides in closet
Do we have a flashlight in here? Something just bumped me!

“Maiden of Mayhem”

Since: May 08

OMFUG

#3571 Feb 5, 2013
Troth for Leogere wrote:
<quoted text>LMAO.. she's SO obvious!
Obviously deleted/banned. I think it's gone.
MrsMurphy

Chicago, IL

#3572 Feb 5, 2013
I am Servant wrote:
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You know I was always taught that when you call someone names it must be because you are on. So now we all know something else about her that she didn't want left known. I know she has been jealousy of me for what reason we may never know. Although it might be because I am married and she is not!

You are also an attractive personable decent god fearing woman.. she is a short fat ugly inside and out troll. with no idea how to be a christian.

“Howdy How”

Since: Jan 09

Hayward, CA

#3573 Feb 5, 2013
victoria1 wrote:
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Obviously deleted/banned. I think it's gone.
WOW what just happened?

“Howdy How”

Since: Jan 09

Hayward, CA

#3574 Feb 5, 2013
MrsMurphy wrote:
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You are also an attractive personable decent god fearing woman.. she is a short fat ugly inside and out troll. with no idea how to be a christian.
Thanks!

“Reality bites”

Since: Dec 11

Location hidden

#3576 Feb 5, 2013
I am Servant wrote:
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Do we have a flashlight in here? Something just bumped me!
Don't mind me I am just happy to see ya. Want some candy?

Since: Oct 08

Location hidden

#3577 Feb 5, 2013
Troth for Leogere wrote:
<quoted text>NoMo.. give her a break.. she did NOT write the brief nor did she have any power to do anything about it. Please do not attack those within these denominations that are actually supportive and trying what they CAN do to change minds and or influences..
I think you owe her an apology.. Now if you want to attack rabid Mormons (like their elders), I'm right there with ya. Just like I would for ANY religion and their rabid hateful BS beliefs.
Did I reference her in any way when I posted that link? Did i address her in any way when i posted it? Why does she take criticisms of her leaders personally? How is showing another of the lizard's latest tactics a personal reflection on her? I find it awfully odd that any criticism of her cult somehow becomes a personal attack on her. She made that leap, perhaps u can explain it.

Since: Aug 11

Location hidden

#3578 Feb 5, 2013
Grandpasmurf952 wrote:
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First off let me correct you. It was Paul that condemned homosexuality, not GOD! You assume that Paul spoke for GOD but since Paul contradicts the historical Jesus on most things you will have to choose who speaks for GOD and who does not. GOD is not a god of confusion!
The historical Jesus only used the Hebrew Scriptures. The Greek Scriptures were not even written til generations after Jesus died.
Saul of Tarsus claimed to have had a vision, changed his name to Paul and than went about rearranging Christianity to better suit the Romans as the political tool it was being formed into.
Most of the Greek Scriptures were written to back up Paul's patriarchal hierarchical version of Christianity which conflicted with the Christianity of the historical Jesus whom Paul had never met.
If you really want to understand historical Christianity you have to start at the beginning and go from there.
Jesus was born a Jew. Most people will not take issue with this although some will. Growing up as a Jew he worshiped the OMNIPRESENT GOD of Israel.
Being a Jew he also lived according to the customs of his people. If homosexuality were an important issue he would have addressed it and it would have been from the Hebrew Scriptures that he would have done so.
When we examine the writings of Paul and other later Roman Christians, we find that often Greek scriptures will reference the Hebrew Scriptures in an attempt to give the new Roman Christian religion a history by falsely linking it with Judaism but will use the scriptures inappropriately to affirm their preconceived notions of how things should be using the misunderstood Hebrew scripture to back them up. One area that is causing much confusion today is homosexuality.
But the only negative reference that Roman Christians can find in the Hebrew Scriptures to prove the validity of the Greek Scriptures condemning homosexuality are not about homosexuality at all but are about military rape, temple prostitutes, and pagan orgies and of course the distorted interpretation of the story of Sodom and Gomorrah.
However, there are two positive accounts of homosexuality in the Hebrew Scriptures that homophobic Roman Christians refuse to accept for what they are that are wonderful teaching stories about true LOVE. They should be inspiring to all of us but are denied by those who cling to the pagan Roman version of Christianity.
These are the stories of David and Jonathan, and Ruth and Naomi. Both of these couples had romantic LOVE for each other. It doesn't matter if they had sex or how they did it. The important part of the lesson here is that LOVE manifests in many different ways.
Both of these detailed accounts of same sex LOVE are there for a reason.
(to be continued in next post)
Excellent!!!

“Reality bites”

Since: Dec 11

Location hidden

#3579 Feb 5, 2013
Dang looks like some posts done got removed. OH well the thread smells better

“Mystical Atheism for everyone!”

Since: Nov 08

El Cerrito California

#3580 Feb 5, 2013
snyper wrote:
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I thought that was apocryphal.
PM me a link. I'd like to be sound about that.
well, it was years ago that I read the article but here is some information in Scientific American about male lactation:

http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm...

I hope this helps! You could probably find the article if you tried different keywords on various search engines, if the article has been scanned and posted by anyone.
Jane Dodo

Hoboken, NJ

#3582 Feb 5, 2013
straight shooter wrote:
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is one parent greater, or less than, zero parents you idiot...
But then the State is depriving them of a parent.

“Maiden of Mayhem”

Since: May 08

OMFUG

#3583 Feb 5, 2013
I am Servant wrote:
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WOW what just happened?
The mods caught on that it was her using a newly created account and banned it.

Can't hide MAC (or IP if static) addresses from them easily.

“TO HATE SOMEONE SIMPLY FOR WHO”

Since: Aug 08

THEY ARE IS WRONG!!!

#3584 Feb 5, 2013
Jazybird58 wrote:
Dang looks like some posts done got removed. OH well the thread smells better
Okay, what happened?

“Good day to you!”

Since: Oct 08

Earth

#3585 Feb 5, 2013
snyper wrote:
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That is the manicheist and zoroastrian heresies, and fallacious argumentation.
Well I stated my previous post "for those that believe in a heaven...".
Even those believing in reincarnation view certain lives as heavenly and other lives as a living hell.
If one believes in only a God of goodness and only in a heaven of goodness and no opposites, they're left to explain why that God instead of creating a world that only knew goodness, created a world with chaos and polar opposites of good and bad. Bit of a contradiction there.

“Good day to you!”

Since: Oct 08

Earth

#3586 Feb 5, 2013
Dana Robertson wrote:
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Actually No surprise is a gay man in denial. Tried living the straight life, is now divorced, and still thinks he can be straight if he prays hard enough and just puts his mind to it. He was LDS(Mormon) for a short time, but was kicked out after only 3 months. But still believes in it 100%. As a member he turned in another LDS youth for being gay. He thinks he did him a favor. He also thinks that groups that give love and support are the real reason LDS teens commit suicide, not the bullies and the parents that treat them like they are freaks. He thinks 14 yr old boys don't know enough about their sexuality at that age to be really gay, but a 14 yr old girl is mature enough to know she is ready marry a 30 yr old something plus man.
He is totally messed up.
lololol.....fricking absolutely funny! And once again you have proved you enjoy being such a pathetic liar. And you claim to be a Christian? And you claim to work at a soup kitchen for the hungry while being such a liar? What are you really doing? And you're married and are gay? And your parents treated you like *hit so you feel you have to treat everyone else like *hit? And you claim to have been a proud upstanding faithful member of the Mormon church till they found out you were having sex with dudes? Who's lying now? Who can twist truths now? lol.....fricking pathetic liar. You're not even good at it. Why don't you retell the story of how your family disowned you hmm? Why don't you tell the thread how you have said you despise and hate and loath your family from kids to grandparents because they didn't like the fact you destroyed your marriage and tossed your kids to the curb for a guy? We're listening :)

“Jesus=only way into Heaven”

Since: Nov 12

saved by grace through faith

#3587 Feb 5, 2013
NorCal Native wrote:
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Okay, what happened?
The unbeliever trolls can't win a debate so they go cry to their "friends in high places"........talk about pathetic!!!!!!!

“Good day to you!”

Since: Oct 08

Earth

#3588 Feb 5, 2013
Grandpasmurf952 wrote:
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A true Christian would not spend all of their time judging others in defiance of scripture while ignoring the two most important commandments in both the Hebrew and the Greek scriptures that are all about the all encompassing LOVE that is GOD:
But you do this all the time that you claim a true Christian wouldn't do... "A true Christian would not spend all of their time judging others in defiance of scripture.." ...You do this same judgement of RCC, JW, Mormnons, etc using scriptures in many forums. Now you claim you don't?
straight shooter

Montpelier, VT

#3589 Feb 5, 2013
Jane Dodo wrote:
<quoted text>But then the State is depriving them of a parent.
when they start with none?
you really are dumb...

“Jesus=only way into Heaven”

Since: Nov 12

saved by grace through faith

#3590 Feb 5, 2013
Jeff wrote:
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No. Strengthen the traditional family. When we have strong families children usually turn out well.
Amen!!!! Every child deserves to have a father and a mother growing up. This is God's way, this is how the family unit is set up.

“Good day to you!”

Since: Oct 08

Earth

#3591 Feb 5, 2013
Grandpasmurf952 wrote:
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I don't know, sometimes the hate and denial gets to be too much.
I turned away from Christianity over 40 years ago. I guess my exposure to it was somewhat insane being born into the organization of Jehovah's Witnesses which ignores LOVE and takes judgment to the extreme.
But I was led to reexamine early Christianity and found that the historical Jesus was a simple mystic who taught an enlightened form of Judaism that matched what I had been shown that led me away from Christianity in the first place!
I have been trying to share my insights and the research I have done here on topix but the hate has been unbelievable.
I am here on this thread simply because I first started on topix when the Mormons trucked busloads of people into California to defeat the will of the people with misinformation to push prop h(8) through.
I have good friends that are warm, loving people who are gay. I came on topix hoping I could help in defeating this hateful proposition.
I than moved on to try and expose the insanity of the Jehovah's Witnesses and only came back here because the thread popped up linked to another forum.
I don't know if I will continue, but again I seem to be led back to what I reject.
This morning as I was waking up my cat reminded me that LOVE is the great work and I need to learn to stop listening to my whiny ego :)
take care and have a nice day!
Nice post. And that came from a guy who blames living Mormons from children to old people for a slaughter that took place over a 150 years ago? That post comes from a guy that demands living Mormons should apologize for an act they never committed? What, is that like demanding from living Germans today to apologize for their ancestors choices? Is that like demanding living Japanese beg forgiveness for their ancestors choices concerning Pearl harbour? Is that like demanding living native Americans apologize for massacres their ancestors committed on wagon trains and the Little Big Horn massacre? Is that like living Germans begging forgiveness for the destruction their ancestors rained down on so many countries/peoples not so long ago? Is that like every white living American should be on their knees on every street corner, begging forgiveness for the dead whites that enslaved so many colours, including it's own so many centuries ago? Hmm?
Where does your blame the living for the dead's choices end? Hmm?

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