Will Gay Marriage Pit Church Against Church?

Apr 27, 2009 | Posted by: SongBookz | Full story: news.yahoo.com

The trouble they see is not just an America where general support for gay marriage will have driven a wedge between churches and the world, but between churches themselves.

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Exactly! These "Bible Only" Christians don't realize that they have to have some knowledge of the history and culture of the times to understand the Bible. They think they can interpret the Bible in modern terms.
REAL Christians are the children of the living God. We have the Holy Spirit living inside of us. No son or daughter of Satan can understand our Heavenly Father and His preserved Word better than a TRUE Christian. These threads are absolute proof of this bible FACT..........look at how idiotic and moronic these unsaved fools are when they try to LIE and TWIST scripture.

To even insinuate that David and Jonathan were anything more than close friends is absolutely idiotic, moronic, foolish, asinine, laughable, stupid......but it does teach us how depraved and demonic and utterly foolish those are that are without Jesus.

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TOPIX is ABOUT "arguing", silly.
It may be, as the proverb says, that "Fear of the Lord is the beginning of wisdom", but it is NOT wisdom itself.
"love casts out fear."
I prefer the word debate. No hard feelings.:)
Phillipians 2:12 Wherefore, my beloved, as ye have always obeyed, not as in my presence only, but now much more in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling.
But, you already knew that......

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Maybe in your mind it is not a sin but not in God's eyes....
And who do you think counts???
Jesus never mentioned homosexuality and one would think that, if it were such a big issue, He would have.

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<quoted text> Judging others is also a sin. Along with not loving our fellow man.
People is glass houses.......
Sorry, it's not.

Satan loves to twist the "judge not" verses, which are about judging hypocritically, but anyone who has ever read and studied the bible knows that Christians are to "JUDGE RIGHTEOUS JUDGMENT". This is crystal clear throughout the scriptures.

REAL Christians do love our fellow man. We are trying to warn the masses to repent and come to Jesus before it's too late. We have to speak out against SIN..........

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REAL Christians are the children of the living God. We have the Holy Spirit living inside of us. No son or daughter of Satan can understand our Heavenly Father and His preserved Word better than a TRUE Christian. These threads are absolute proof of this bible FACT..........look at how idiotic and moronic these unsaved fools are when they try to LIE and TWIST scripture.
To even insinuate that David and Jonathan were anything more than close friends is absolutely idiotic, moronic, foolish, asinine, laughable, stupid......but it does teach us how depraved and demonic and utterly foolish those are that are without Jesus.
Every single person in this world is either following Jesus Christ or Satan.
All people everywhere are children of God.

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Sorry, it's not.
Satan loves to twist the "judge not" verses, which are about judging hypocritically, but anyone who has ever read and studied the bible knows that Christians are to "JUDGE RIGHTEOUS JUDGMENT". This is crystal clear throughout the scriptures.
Homosexuality is not a sin. Heterosexism (prejudice against people who are homosexual) is a sin. It is a serious sin because it violates justice, truth, and love. It also distorts the true meaning of sex and thus also harms everyone, including heterosexuals.

It's what you do with your homosexuality or your heterosexuality that determines morality. Homosexuality like heterosexuality is morally neutral. As Catholic philosophers Daniel Dombrowski and Robert Deltete from the Jesuit Seattle University say "homosexual sexual relations [like heterosexual sexual relations] can be moral or they can be immoral."15 Moral theologian Christina Traina says that "the ultimate fruitfulness and durability of any union-heterosexual or homosexual-have everything to do with faith, friendship, generosity, community support, sexual and verbal affection and the hard work that goes into mutual formation of a working partnership."16

Sexuality is a gift to be cherished. We have no right to deny it to those whom God has made gay. As theologian Kelly Brown Douglas says, we have to create "a church and community where non-heterosexual persons are able to love themselves and those whom they choose to love without social, political or ecclesiastical penalty" so that they may enjoy life and enjoy sex with gratitude that life is so full of goodness and enriching variety.17

In an old Catholic teaching called Probabilism we find the answer for Catholics. When there is a debate on a moral issue (in this case same sex unions), where there are good reasons and good authorities on both sides of the debate, Catholics are free to make up their own minds.8

This means that Catholic same-sex couples are perfectly free to practice their Catholic faith, receive the sacraments, and never feel that God forbids their union-or that their faithful, sexual union is anything but holy.

The view that homosexual people are condemned to involuntary celibacy for life is as cruel as it is absurd. Jesus said of celibacy: "Let those accept it who can" (Matthew 19:12). Voluntary celibacy for a good cause is something some can do but it is seen as a special talent, a special gift that not all have. The Vatican council called it "a precious gift of divine grace which the Father gives to some persons," but not to all.9 Abstaining from all sexual activity is seen by the Council as something "unique."10 You can not demand from all homosexual people that which is "unique."

St. Paul recognizes the same thing when he says "it is better to marry than to burn" (1 Corinthians 7:12). What kind of gospel "good news" would it be to tell all gay persons that their only choice is to burn?
Many Catholic theologians agree now with Protestant and Jewish theologians that same sex unions can be moral, healthy, and holy.6 Many Catholic people are living in same sex unions and adopting children and still practicing their Catholic faith. Many priests realize this and welcome these couples to Communion at Mass and even have private liturgical celebrations of their unions. Bishop Walter Sullivan of Richmond, Virginia even wrote a welcoming introduction to a book of essays by various Catholic theologians, some of whom defended the right of sacramental marriage for same sex couples.7

Obviously, then, Catholic teaching is in transition on this subject and Catholics are free to let their consciences decide either for or against same sex marriages. Both views-for or against homosexual marriage-are at home in the Catholic world and neither one of them can be called more orthodox or more official or more Catholic than the other.
http://www.religiousconsultation.org/Catholic...

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Sorry, it's not.
Satan loves to twist the "judge not" verses, which are about judging hypocritically, but anyone who has ever read and studied the bible knows that Christians are to "JUDGE RIGHTEOUS JUDGMENT". This is crystal clear throughout the scriptures.
REAL Christians do love our fellow man. We are trying to warn the masses to repent and come to Jesus before it's too late. We have to speak out against SIN..........
Yes!
We do!

YOU are being sinful!

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To even insinuate that David and Jonathan were anything more than close friends is absolutely idiotic, moronic, foolish, asinine, laughable, stupid......but it does teach us how depraved and demonic and utterly foolish those are that are without Jesus.
Every single person in this world is either following Jesus Christ or Satan.
RR: "Every single person in this world is either following Jesus Christ or Satan."

More accurately, at any given time, every single person in this world is either right with God, or NOT right with God.

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Life-style is a choice of the individually which will have to be answered for later....
Sexual orientation is not about "lifestyle" Being a golf nut, a ski-bum, a shopper, a hard core sports fan, one of the "Speed Freak Killers", a drug addict, a social drinker, being rich, is about lifestyle.
Orientation is about what is like it or not.
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Can one (conservative) church deny the religious freedom of another (progressive)church under the laws of a country that is built on religious freedom? Let's hope not because that is the type of religious tyranny that our forefathers came to America to escape.
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We have the Bible and it is truth. Yes, he did and you are not his child you are a practicing homosexual who is disobeying God. I have the truth his name is Jesus so why would I still be looking? You are the one that is opposite of a true Christian practicing an abomination God forbids.
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If the bible is the truth why do the four books of the bible contradict each other? Because it's a story book for adults.

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Sorry, it's not.
Satan loves to twist the "judge not" verses, which are about judging hypocritically, but anyone who has ever read and studied the bible knows that Christians are to "JUDGE RIGHTEOUS JUDGMENT". This is crystal clear throughout the scriptures.
REAL Christians do love our fellow man. We are trying to warn the masses to repent and come to Jesus before it's too late. We have to speak out against SIN..........
Is there ever a time in your miserable existence when you allow yourself to smile or laugh simply because it is good to be alive, or do you consider such emotions as being "sinful" too? I don't think there is anyone else on Topix who comes across as miserable as you. Your bible worship has convinced you to isolate yourself from the rest of humanity and I don't know what you are trying to achieve here, unless it's to show people how a bible worshipping fundie behaves and how miserable and intolerable such fundies are. Well, you have certainly succeded in doing that, we all now know that we have no desire to be anything like you. Thanks for that. So maybe you should do something to bring a bit of happiness into your life. A good start would be to go and get laid. Oh no, don't tell me that's a "sin" as well!

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Rick it looks like Ann Heche did change from being a lesbian to being heterosexual. Consider this: "In 2007, Heche's life began to mirror her own character: She separated from her husband, with whom she became involved in a public child custody battle. Thereafter, Heche became romantically linked to her television co-star, James Tupper."
http://www.biography.com/people/anne-heche-25...
She is proof that a person's sexual orientation can change. Agreed?
No it is proof people are "Tourists" and try out things and may or may not have a dominant interest.

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Of course homosexuality is a choice. Its a choice against the body and if it was not a choice there would not be be ex-homosexuals.
Kind of like the ex-heterosexuals?

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The door will be open for polygamy and all other kinds of "marriages" if the court decides in favor of same sex marriage. There would be no legal way to stop these things from happening.
That is beyond absurd. Same logic as the antigun lobby.
Give a law abiding citizen a gun and we're all doomed.
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I'm against all sin equally. Clearly homosexuality is a sin, yet the homosexuals and their "defenders" want to LIE and try to TWIST the Word of God. That is disgusting and despicable!
Only a complete piece of low-life trash would outright LIE about God's Holy Word!!!!!!!!!!
This is what infuriates so many REAL Christians.
So, you put equal effort into banning the consumption of shrimp? Really? Please, link us to a page where you rail against eating frogs, lobsters, and eels.

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The problem with so many homosexuals is that they let their sexual orientation define them. It is thee dominate factor in their lives.
When people give in to that which is not good for them it weakens their willpower. Eventually, they will look for ways to justify their sin.
Actually you are defining and judging them by their sexuality. They are perfectly willing to live and let live. You are not.
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We have the Bible and it is truth. Yes, he did and you are not his child you are a practicing homosexual who is disobeying God. I have the truth his name is Jesus so why would I still be looking? You are the one that is opposite of a true Christian practicing an abomination God forbids.
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Until you prove the Bible true and God real, we dismiss your claims. But, what does any of that have to do with American laws and determining American rights?
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Maybe in your mind it is not a sin but not in God's eyes....
And who do you think counts???
Your imaginary friend, obviously.

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<quoted text>Jesus never mentioned homosexuality and one would think that, if it were such a big issue, He would have.
Matthew 19:4-6 says, "4 And he answered and said unto them, Have ye not read, that he which made them at the beginning made them male and female, 5 And said, For this cause (that they are male and female) shall a man leave father and mother, and shall cleave to his wife: and they twain shall be one flesh? 6 Wherefore they are no more twain, but one flesh. What therefore God hath joined together (a man and a wife), let not man put asunder."

He never said anything about making man for man......Nettie you need to throw in the towel and just admit that you are as lost as any sinner out there!

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