The Gay Awakening

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Since: Apr 07

Born in Newark Ohio

#412 Feb 4, 2014
RevKen wrote:
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LOL!!!!..... What a telling statement you make, Mr. DeCaro!
First you write, "No, it's your Gnosticism [we] keep returning to ..."
The [we] being YOU.
And, according to the 11th verse of the Proverb 26, you say that YOU are returning, as does a "dog that returns to its vomit is a fool who reverts to his folly."
Why do you do this to yourself, Joe?
*****
As for Snyper's remark that you keep reverting to accusations of "Gnosticism," he is right.
First of all, Snyper is no "Gnostic." If anyone here is a "Gnostic, " I am probably as close to one as you might find. But, I am not a "Gnostic" in the historic, traditional or theologic sense, either.
The plain truth is that YOU level the accusation of "Gnostic" against people in order to insult them with something that you don't understand or comprehend. You do this because you think it is a bad word that works as an undefined catch-all for what you think you despise.
Pretty funny, really. If it wasn't such a pitiful demonstration of your own, persistent refusal to comprehend - that is, your refusal to allow the principles of knowledge and learning to affect your comprehension and resultant behaviors.
Go and learn what the "Gnostics" believed, Joe. A good deal of it is a valid view of reality.
" The Gnostic Gospels" by Elaine Pagels, Princeton University's distinguished historian, is a good place to start.
You are the quintessential "ungnostician," Joe.
That is why you are like the "archer who wounds everybody." (Proverbs 26:10)
To the others who read this, let the argument over accusations of Gnosticism die off, ringing in Joe DeCaro's ears.
*****
Let the discussion, of how God causes a need for a sacrifice of Him/Herself for the purpose of redemption of what God declared about Him/Herself, continue.
It is an investigation into the ignorant denial of the necessity for the personal incorporation of knowledge, leading to the abandonment of ignorance in lieu of development of the manner of the life of a God Conscious person.
Rev. Ken
Take 5 BAZINGAS out of petty cash. Off topic but was watching Last Man Standing the other day. One of the girls needed help on her sewing assignment. The mexican maid became her tutor.

At one point the maid was trying to tell the girl how bad something was and she said there really isn't an english translatioin but it's when the dog vomits, eats it, vomits again and then eats that.

This prediliction for regurgitating the same old foolishness by Joe (and Kimare, my favorite troll).

I'm almost at the point where I just feel like reposting the same responses back to them.

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“Judge less, Love more”

Since: Apr 07

Born in Newark Ohio

#413 Feb 4, 2014
Joe DeCaro wrote:
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No, gays get it backwards.
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Exactly like a glove.
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That's called a surprise.
BTW dear boy,

I may have missed your reply to 3 questions I had as I have had the flu for a week now.

Anyway please tell me why the same people fighting for religious freedom for bakers and florists don't care that members of the clergy have been subject to arrest, fines and incarcaration if the follow their faith and bless a SS couple in a RELIGIOUS marriage in the State of Indiana?(even if they don't file any legal papers claiming it's a legal marriage or civil union).

2nd question:
Why isn't this dirty little secret getting any press, since it's been the law in Indiana since 1997?

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“Judge less, Love more”

Since: Apr 07

Born in Newark Ohio

#414 Feb 4, 2014
3rd question

Why haven't YOU spoken about a law passed by "Christians" that makes it a CRIME to practice Presbyterianism with a gay couple?

“... truth will out.”

Since: May 08

Stratford, Connecticut.

#415 Feb 5, 2014
DNF wrote:
<quoted text>BTW dear boy,
I may have missed your reply to 3 questions I had as I have had the flu for a week now ...
You must have had more than the flu if you couldn't even operate a keyboard.
RevKen wrote:
Knowledge, per se, is not a detriment, unless it is used to discredit faith, in which case it isn't "gnosticism," anyway ...
Then what is it? The Episcopal Church?

TEC's Bishop Spong has openly discredited the faith with his gnostic theses and you and your fellow clerics have done nothing about it.

So what does that make you?

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#416 Feb 5, 2014
Joe DeCaro wrote:
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You must have had more than the flu if you couldn't even operate a keyboard.
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Then what is it? The Episcopal Church?
TEC's Bishop Spong has openly discredited the faith with his gnostic theses and you and your fellow clerics have done nothing about it.
So what does that make you?
You really have NO clue about the defining tenets of the various forms of Gnosticism, do you!

Crikes! I learned those in back in the dark ages of my elementary education!

This is as good a place to start as any:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gnosticism

Saul's Stoic Philosophy plagiarisms come far closer to gnosticism than RevKen, Spong or myself; and the monastic teachings of "christendom", both East and West (most especially Eastern), are FAR more gnostic in their goals than anything we espouse.

You're just silly.

Stubbornly silly.

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“Judge less, Love more”

Since: Apr 07

Born in Newark Ohio

#417 Feb 5, 2014
"When women got the vote, they did not redefine voting," Nixon said. "When African-Americans got the right to sit at a lunch counter alongside white people, they did not redefine eating out. They were simply invited to the table. That is all we want to do; we have no desire to change marriage. We want to be entitled to not only the same privileges but the same responsibilities as straight people."
-Cynthia Nixon

Since: Aug 09

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#418 Feb 5, 2014
Joe DeCaro wrote:
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You must have had more than the flu if you couldn't even operate a keyboard.
<quoted text>
Then what is it? The Episcopal Church?
TEC's Bishop Spong has openly discredited the faith with his gnostic theses and you and your fellow clerics have done nothing about it.
So what does that make you?
'... Spong's "gnostic" theses ...'

More gnosticating again, I see. Maybe you should try explaining that one, too.

Why do I have to do anything about "it?" Last time I checked, TEC has always allowed its clergy, and for that matter, any other clergy, to explore different ways of validating their faith in Christ. Spong is no different from anyone else in that regard.

Besides, this is America. The man has the civil right to speak his mind and heart. He also accepts the consequences.

That makes me one who is a follower of Christ and an American citizen.

What does that make you?

“... truth will out.”

Since: May 08

Stratford, Connecticut.

#419 Feb 6, 2014
snyper wrote:
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You really have NO clue about the defining tenets of the various forms of Gnosticism, do you!
Crikes! I learned those in back in the dark ages of my elementary education!...
Did you minor or major in being a Gnostic?
RevKen wrote:
Last time I checked, TEC has always allowed its clergy, and for that matter, any other clergy, to explore different ways of validating their faith in Christ ...
... to include invalidating every tenet of the Nicene Creed?

Since: Aug 09

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#420 Feb 6, 2014
DNF wrote:
<quoted text>BTW dear boy,
I may have missed your reply to 3 questions I had as I have had the flu for a week now.
Anyway please tell me why the same people fighting for religious freedom for bakers and florists don't care that members of the clergy have been subject to arrest, fines and incarcaration if the follow their faith and bless a SS couple in a RELIGIOUS marriage in the State of Indiana?(even if they don't file any legal papers claiming it's a legal marriage or civil union).
2nd question:
Why isn't this dirty little secret getting any press, since it's been the law in Indiana since 1997?
I have spent a lot of time in Indiana, in school and business. Indiana is a great state, full of opportunity and potential. Indiana is also populated with very intelligent, imaginative and industrious enclaves of highly educated people.

But, Indiana also has a lot of rural and hill country regions full of peculiarly backward sorts who also make their way into the urban centers.

Hoosiers, all. "Seussish."

Since: Aug 09

Location hidden

#421 Feb 6, 2014
Joe DeCaro wrote:
<quoted text>
Did you minor or major in being a Gnostic?
<quoted text>
... to include invalidating every tenet of the Nicene Creed?
You know, there are many ways to attempt to discredit others while implying a vacuous claim to "Christian" righteousness for oneself.

But, the easist way seems to be to engage the attention of one's fellow mankind by targeting with unspecified accusations of unorthodoxy while simultaneously and consistently ignoring the Two Great Commandments. Its a kind of "double-negative" skewer-thing that delivers a respondent into an unanswerable position.

After that, any further definitions of apostacy, as applied to one's imagined foes, seem superfluous.

But, the tactic is really both infantile and empty, because of the obvious insincerety.

Fortunately, The Lord Jesus very clearly frowned on such behavior. If I were a betting man, I'd lay odds that He still frowns on the behavior.

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Since: Apr 07

Born in Newark Ohio

#422 Feb 6, 2014
RevKen wrote:
<quoted text>
I have spent a lot of time in Indiana, in school and business. Indiana is a great state, full of opportunity and potential. Indiana is also populated with very intelligent, imaginative and industrious enclaves of highly educated people.
But, Indiana also has a lot of rural and hill country regions full of peculiarly backward sorts who also make their way into the urban centers.
Hoosiers, all. "Seussish."
I have friends there and have also visited. It is really a nice State. But it is quirky. I believe that at the height of the KKK it had the highest number of members.

And yes thanks to our representative form of government many backward thinking people end up in urban centers and are given the power to make laws. Rick Santorum from PA is a great example. So is crazy eyes Bachmann.

What shocks me is that the law in Indiana that would jail ministers for practising their faith for gays and lesbians has been on the books since 1997 and yet not a single church has challenged the law.

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Since: Apr 07

Born in Newark Ohio

#423 Feb 6, 2014
snyper wrote:
<quoted text>
You really have NO clue about the defining tenets of the various forms of Gnosticism, do you!
Crikes! I learned those in back in the dark ages of my elementary education!
This is as good a place to start as any:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gnosticism
Saul's Stoic Philosophy plagiarisms come far closer to gnosticism than RevKen, Spong or myself; and the monastic teachings of "christendom", both East and West (most especially Eastern), are FAR more gnostic in their goals than anything we espouse.
You're just silly.
Stubbornly silly.
Joe also once again ignored my 3 questions and chose to throw a dig at me instead.

Answer the questions Joe. Your imitation of Ali's "float like a butterfly, sting like a bee" is getting lame.

“=”

Since: Oct 07

Appleton WI

#424 Feb 6, 2014
RevKen wrote:
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Indiana is... populated with very intelligent, imaginative and industrious enclaves of highly educated people... also has a lot of rural and hill country regions full of peculiarly backward sorts who also make their way into the urban centers."
This is probably true of most states, although the ratio of intelligent/educated people to "peculiarly backward sorts" varies from region to region.

“... truth will out.”

Since: May 08

Stratford, Connecticut.

#425 Feb 7, 2014
DNF wrote:
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Joe also once again ignored my 3 questions ...
Actually I'm ignoring your waste of my time.
RevKen wrote:
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You know, there are many ways to attempt to discredit others while implying a vacuous claim to "Christian" righteousness for oneself.
But, the easist way seems to be to engage the attention of one's fellow mankind by targeting with unspecified accusations of unorthodoxy ...
It's only easy because Spong himself has deliberately and specifically denied every tenet of the Christian faith in his theses.

And your silence -- as well as that of TEC -- is proof of agreement.

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#426 Feb 7, 2014
Joe DeCaro wrote:
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Actually I'm ignoring your waste of my time.
<quoted text>
It's only easy because Spong himself has deliberately and specifically denied every tenet of the Christian faith in his theses.
And your silence -- as well as that of TEC -- is proof of agreement.
LOL!!!.... You repeatedly yield living proof of Einstein's description of insane behavior.

“... truth will out.”

Since: May 08

Stratford, Connecticut.

#427 Feb 8, 2014
RevKen wrote:
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LOL!!!.... You repeatedly yield living proof of Einstein's description of insane behavior.
Bishop Spong's theses are proof of insanity, or heresy?

And your silence -- as well as that of TEC -- is still proof of agreement with him.

Since: Aug 09

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#428 Feb 8, 2014
Joe DeCaro wrote:
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Bishop Spong's theses are proof of insanity, or heresy?
And your silence -- as well as that of TEC -- is still proof of agreement with him.
LMAO!... Unfortunately, more of the same over and over behavior on your part along with an expectation of a different result.

You're stuck, buddy. Stuck, you will stay, until you change your behavior.

“... truth will out.”

Since: May 08

Stratford, Connecticut.

#429 Feb 9, 2014
RevKen wrote:
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LMAO!... Unfortunately, more of the same over and over behavior on your part along with an expectation of a different result ...
By different result, did you mean an honest answer?

So why are you so incapable of addressing whether Spong's theses are proof of insanity, or heresy?

Since: Mar 09

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#430 Feb 9, 2014
Joe DeCaro wrote:
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By different result, did you mean an honest answer?
So why are you so incapable of addressing whether Spong's theses are proof of insanity, or heresy?
"incapable"

"insanity, or heresy"

Why do you persist in the False Dichotomy, Argumentum ad Hominem, Circular Reasoning and Onus Probandi Fallacies?

“... truth will out.”

Since: May 08

Stratford, Connecticut.

#431 Feb 10, 2014
snyper wrote:
... Why do you persist in the False Dichotomy, Argumentum ad Hominem, Circular Reasoning and Onus Probandi Fallacies?
Another "word salad" reply.

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