The Gay Awakening

The Gay Awakening

There are 475 comments on the The American Prospect story from Nov 18, 2013, titled The Gay Awakening. In it, The American Prospect reports that:

Supporters of same-sex marriage outside Camp Innnabah, the Methodist retreat center where Rev.

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Rick not in Kansas yet

Salina, KS

#22 Nov 21, 2013
Joe DeCaro wrote:
If you've read "the book" then why can't you give us the chapter and verse to prove your claim that Jesus approved of slavery?
One more time since you can't be bothered to pay attention to what you claim to have read. Each and every verse which doesn't denounce slavery offers its tacit approval and since there are none which do, EVERY verse Between Mark 1:1 and Revelation 22:21 offers the approval of Jesus.
Rick not in Kansas yet

Salina, KS

#23 Nov 21, 2013
Loves Minstrel wrote:
We can accept the bible's views on the evils of slavery if we can accept this scripture:
Isaiah 45:7
King James Version (KJV)
"7 I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the Lord do all these things."
All that exists can teach us the importance of forming an egalitarian global government with LOVE as it's foundation.
Most of us probably learn more from our pain then we do from our joy. This does not mean we should wallow in our pain.
Slavery is painful and it is crippling. Wage slavery is perhaps the most insidious form there is. You can never escape from it as long as you think you are free.
Galatians 3:28 (New International Version):
"28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, slave nor free, male nor female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus."
Jesus was a part of the whole Messiah in harmony with Genesis 1:27, not a primitive god-man to be sacrificed for our sins.
The phrase you were looking for was torture these scriptures, not accept these scriptures. Christians did not begin to change God's mind on the subject until the Middle Ages and even then it took a few centuries to fully bring it around. Early Christians welcomed both slaves and their masters because they taught that such earthly relationships are irrelevant. Jesus himself conditions slavery, but does not condemn it. What y'all seem to be forgetting is that EVERY biblical author lived at a time when slavery, in one form or another, was commonplace among pretty much every culture in the then known world.
Rick not in Kansas yet

Salina, KS

#24 Nov 21, 2013
Joe DeCaro wrote:
1 Corinthians 7:21-22
New International Version (NIV)
"Were you a slave when you were called? Don’t let it trouble you—although if you can gain your freedom, do so. For the one who was a slave when called to faith in the Lord is the Lord’s freed person; similarly, the one who was free when called is Christ’s slave."
Um, Joey, you just disproved your own point, you found chapter and verse which offers an approval of slavery. Keep up the good work.

“... truth will out.”

Since: May 08

Stratford, Connecticut.

#25 Nov 22, 2013
RasputinDiedForYourSins wrote:
Here is some exciting new evidence found indicating that what gay people have been saying for centuries is true.
People are born with the sexual nature they possess ...
... so every sexual deviate now has an excuse for their behavior, including the late but unlamented Ariel Castro?

“... truth will out.”

Since: May 08

Stratford, Connecticut.

#26 Nov 22, 2013
Rick not in Kansas yet wrote:
<quoted text>One more time since you can't be bothered to pay attention to what you claim to have read. Each and every verse which doesn't denounce slavery offers its tacit approval ...
"tacit" approval?

Ricky, you've been back-peddling ever since you couldn't find a single NT verse that supports slavery, which was your original, but bogus, claim.
Rick not in Kansas yet wrote:
<quoted text>Um, Joey, you just disproved your own point, you found chapter and verse which offers an approval of slavery ...
... by being a "slave" to Jesus Christ?

What are you a slave to, Ricky?
Whom do you serve, aside from yourself?

lides

“No Headline available”

Since: Jan 08

Defiance, Ohio

#27 Nov 22, 2013
Joe DeCaro wrote:
Ricky, you've been back-peddling ever since you couldn't find a single NT verse that supports slavery, which was your original, but bogus, claim.
And?
You can't find a single new testament verse that condemns homosexuality.

People who live in glass houses...
True Christian witness

Slick, OK

#28 Nov 22, 2013
Knowledge wrote:
<quoted text>
I can not agree with you more. Times are changing , and you are right about a few things. But, God is God. God does not change, people do. It is up to you whether you accept God, as your personal Savior, or not. You see, every hair on our heads our numbered, and when our number is up it is what you have decided to do with your life. Jesus died for our sins and He loves us all. But, if you don't want any part of that, God also allowed us to have choices. It is the choices we make from the time we are born, till the time we die. It doesn't matter to God whether you are a Baptist, Methodist and so on. Everyone has to die, that is undeniable it is the choices we make until we do. We all have to make that choice, to serve God, or man or whatever. As you said, times are changing, and they are trying to change God's word. At the end, we all will have to go before Him, no matter what we try to tell ourselves about how times have changed. As for me and my house, we will serve the Lord Jesus. I will not deny Him, or His word.
If you had accurate knowledge of the Scriptures you would understand the purpose of Jesus giving us the book of Revelation written for these last days.
1Timothy 2:4

If you want to survive the end of this world, this is a good time to start your Bible study with Jehovah's witnesses, there is no other way to
be educated in God's will.
Matthew 7:21
Rick not in Kansas yet

Salina, KS

#29 Nov 22, 2013
Joe DeCaro wrote:
"tacit" approval?
Ricky, you've been back-peddling ever since you couldn't find a single NT verse that supports slavery, which was your original, but bogus, claim.
You really should work on that reading comprehension problem of yours, you're embarrassing yourself. I haven't backpedaled anything. My argument has been the same since we started, the ENTIRETY of the New Testament supports the institution of slavery, YOU are the one who has yearned for a single verse in support of it. Then you turned around and offered one yourself and have once again slipped into complete blithering denial.
right or wrong wrote:
... by being a "slave" to Jesus Christ?
What are you a slave to, Ricky?
Whom do you serve, aside from yourself?
Whether you like it or not, Christianity is a master/slave relationship. You serve God. It's not really any of my concern who you profess to serve, you are the one who keeps bringing it up, who I serve, if I serve anyone at all, not your concern.
Rick not in Kansas yet

Salina, KS

#30 Nov 22, 2013
True Christian witness wrote:
If you had accurate knowledge of the Scriptures you would understand the purpose of Jesus giving us the book of Revelation written for these last days.
1Timothy 2:4
Fun fact: When the Council of Nicea compiled the first Christian "Bible", they had multiple "Books of Revelation" to choose from, the end of days was a popular theme among the early Christian writers and resulted in more than a few revelations as to what they would entail.
right or wrong wrote:
If you want to survive the end of this world, this is a good time to start your Bible study with Jehovah's witnesses, there is no other way to
be educated in God's will.
Matthew 7:21
So you pray. Good luck with that.
True Christian witness

Slick, OK

#31 Nov 22, 2013
Rick not in Kansas yet wrote:
<quoted text>Fun fact: When the Council of Nicea compiled the first Christian "Bible", they had multiple "Books of Revelation" to choose from, the end of days was a popular theme among the early Christian writers and resulted in more than a few revelations as to what they would entail.
<quoted text>So you pray. Good luck with that.
The Counsil of Nicea did not have anything to do with the Bible canon or the choosing of different Revelations, you are the one that needs to adjust your belief that you are already saved.

The Counsil of Nicea or the Catholic Religion did choose to believe that Jesus is God and the Father is God and the holy spirit is also God, therefore all three are one God, a false doctrine, not taught in the Bible. John 7:21

If and when a person survives the war of Armageddon, you will know if you are saved. Only the meek will inherit this earth, and they are subjects of Jesus our King in heaven, they are the only people on this earth who know, love and serve Almighty God Jehovah, as Jesus did and taught.
John 14:31
gays are sicko

New York, NY

#32 Nov 22, 2013
gays are sick demented perverted cursed sick human beings who have mental illness.
Rick not in Kansas yet

Salina, KS

#33 Nov 22, 2013
gays are sicko wrote:
gays are sick demented perverted cursed sick human beings who have mental illness.
That's sweet of you child, that's why it's so hard for me to tell you that our opinion of you is nowhere near as nice as yours is of us.
Rick not in Kansas yet

Salina, KS

#34 Nov 22, 2013
True Christian witness wrote:
<quoted text>
The Counsil of Nicea did not have anything to do with the Bible canon or the choosing of different Revelations, you are the one that needs to adjust your belief that you are already saved.
The Counsil of Nicea or the Catholic Religion did choose to believe that Jesus is God and the Father is God and the holy spirit is also God, therefore all three are one God, a false doctrine, not taught in the Bible. John 7:21
If and when a person survives the war of Armageddon, you will know if you are saved. Only the meek will inherit this earth, and they are subjects of Jesus our King in heaven, they are the only people on this earth who know, love and serve Almighty God Jehovah, as Jesus did and taught.
John 14:31
I misspoke on that point and for that I do apologize, but that doesn't change the reality that when the canon was established, there was more than one Book of Revelation from them to choose from. How do you know they got the right one? So you pray. You just haven't been given an answer to it.
Bublegum Is Your Friend

Redwood City, CA

#35 Nov 22, 2013
True Christian witness wrote:
<quoted text>
If you had accurate knowledge of the Scriptures you would understand the purpose of Jesus giving us the book of Revelation written for these last days.
1Timothy 2:4
If you want to survive the end of this world, this is a good time to start your Bible study with Jehovah's witnesses, there is no other way to
be educated in God's will.
Matthew 7:21
If you had accurate knowledge of the Scriptures you would understand that Jesus had nothing to do with the book of Revelation. It was not even formally added to the Roman canon until AD 508.

And if you carefully examine the book of Revelation you will see that it pretty much contradicts everything that Jesus taught.

And of course this can easily be proven by carefully comparing the book of Revelation to the rest of the Greek Scriptures.

The Jehovah's Witnesses have based their whole religion on this book and the one word "Armageddon" and are totally in opposition to the teachings of Jesus. They even reject the OMNIPRESENT GOD of Israel!

This is probably why you are trying to claim this book is from Jesus. It's the only book in the bible that contains the word "Armageddon" that your apocalyptic cult is based on.

If the book of Revelation were taken out of the bible your church would have no biblical support for it's existence whatsoever.
Rambeaux

Malvern, PA

#36 Nov 22, 2013
RasputinDiedForYourSins wrote:
Here is some exciting new evidence found indicating that what gay people have been saying for centuries is true.
People are born with the sexual nature they possess. It is hardwired and proof is even being found in the genes!:
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2003/10/...
This is not the only scientific research that has been done that is slowly uncovering more and more evidence that we are born the way we are sexually.
Here is some more hard evidence:
http://uber-facts.com/2013/02/07/studies-show...
and of course we have the insistence of people throughout the centuries, that false religion has called liars, who insisted they were born the way they were.
This of course means that all religions that reject homosexual people are false and most certainly not inspired by the GOD whose creations they reject!
The Westboro Baptist Church is probably the prime example of an evil hate based religion that rejects their creator and then falsely calls themselves Christian.
But all religions that practice false judgment of homosexuals are definitely uninspired and are the precise opposite of what it means to be a Christian:
1 John 4:8
New International Version (NIV)
"8 Whoever does not love does not know God, because God is love."
It appears that different sexual orientations and gender differences have a definite place in helping us all to grow in the understanding of the unconditional LOVE that is GOD!
I don't know about you, but my ancestors were hetero sapiens.
Sterkfontein Swartkrans

Doylestown, PA

#37 Nov 22, 2013
gays are sicko wrote:
gays are sick demented perverted cursed sick human beings who have mental illness.
Does your boyfriend know you feel this way?

“... truth will out.”

Since: May 08

Stratford, Connecticut.

#38 Nov 22, 2013
Rick not in Kansas yet wrote:
<quoted text>You really should work on that reading comprehension problem of yours, you're embarrassing yourself. I haven't backpedaled anything. My argument has been the same since we started, the ENTIRETY of the New Testament supports the institution of slavery, YOU are the one who has yearned for a single verse in support of it ...
... which you still haven't provided.

“... truth will out.”

Since: May 08

Stratford, Connecticut.

#39 Nov 22, 2013
lides wrote:
<quoted text>
And?
You can't find a single new testament verse that condemns homosexuality ...
Apples and oranges, but if you want to find that verse, see 1 Cor 6:9.
Rick not in Kansas yet

Salina, KS

#40 Nov 22, 2013
Joe DeCaro wrote:
... which you still haven't provided.
Wasn't the one you posted good enough for you? Gee whiz. Reality check, neither Jesus nor His early Christians were opposed to the practices of slavery, it was the acts of the practitioners that mattered to God. You know, like in the verse YOU quoted. Christians didn't even begin to try to start changing God's mind on the subject for the faith's first 15 centuries. It took the Catholics centuries longer than that. Would you like to prove me wrong in this? Sometimes it amazes me just how different the history of Christians and the history of Christianity can be sometimes. Y'all folk can be some serious revisionists when you set your minds to it.

lides

“No Headline available”

Since: Jan 08

Defiance, Ohio

#41 Nov 23, 2013
Joe DeCaro wrote:
Apples and oranges, but if you want to find that verse, see 1 Cor 6:9.
Congratulations, you have found a new testament reference. However, it is neither by Christ, nor can you prove that the translation is correct. The original language had no word for homosexual.

Which translation are you relying upon?

Ultimately, it doesn't matter. you are one who wishes to cast judgment, as as such, are at best a poor Christian.

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