Why did Americans like Timothy McVeigh hate their country?

When war veteran Timothy McVeigh bombed a federal building in Oklahoma City, killing 168 people, the US was stunned. Full Story
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#1 Apr 12, 2010
He and others did it cause they could do it and more will do it again as the people get mad and upset with America
Most do not have others to chat to get stuff off the mine some want to hurt others and in a big way some what to make a name for themself and others! Laws are to keep honest people honest just like locks and the list goes on.
some are loners some are upset with faimly but take there mean out look to others and watch them get hurt! Today family do not sit down and talk let alone eat dinner at home as a family and it's getting worse. Most do not know where his or her kids are at any given moment and other do not care.
We live in a different world today and most do not care what there friends or so called friends are doing or problems they are having at home or work - today is not like the 1970's when all changed for the worst and today they do not like to help as they did in the past.
so today we put up with our kids doing what they wont to do if parents cared they would not be out at 2am looking for what 7-11 to rob - it comes down to parents and parents who care!
Yes it's some what of the kids / teens but if the parents do not care untill he is dead saying he would not do that my son was a good son hmm ok then why did he go shot up a mall today? And what has he done before we do not know about?
it all comes down to parents to take care of his or her own kids!
if you bring them up right they will go on and live a good life!
church wont save NO one and in the end it's up to the parents to know what he or she is doing today and yesterday!
Agenda 21

Montgomery, AL

#2 Apr 12, 2010
I think people like Tim Mcveigh do things like that because they feel like they have no other option. I am in no way supporting their actions, but when people get things in their head and they believe it to be true, sometimes they do rash things to try and "fix" it.
For example: after 9/11 happened bush told the world that Iraq supported Bin Laden and that he was hiding WMD's. The whole world believed him and supported him all the way through the war, which killed many American troops and 100's of thousands of Iraqi civillians. Everyone had it in their head (and some still do) that Iraq was involved, when the truth was, they created an oil bourse against the US dollar, and we bombed them for it. People believed so much that Iraq was involved that they were willing to sacrifice our young troops and a huge number of Irqi civillians to to defend it.

"Laws are to keep honest people honest just like locks and the list goes on."

After 9/11 we found out that the CIA and the White house had sufficient evidence that something like 9/11 was going to happen. Instead of acting upon that intelligence, they did nothing. Not even a warning to local authorities that something "might" happen. Then it did happen. What did they do? They signed in the Patriot Act to make America Safer from Terrorism. Even though they already had sufficient intelligence to probably stop 9/11 they enacted a bill that nullifies the Bill of Rights.
We may live in a different world today but I promise you that taking away peoples freedoms do not make us safer!!

If you read about Tim Mcveigh this was the things he talked about. He believed that the government was going to take away peoples rights and he believed a NWO would take over. What he did was wrong, and I'm glad he fried for it. He only made it worse for the law abiding citizen. He was an idiot, but no more an idiot than most of the people that represent our nation, or a nation that supports wars of lies.
lucky stiff

United States

#3 Apr 12, 2010
alll the right wing conservatives loved him.
Ben

United States

#4 Apr 12, 2010
Americans respect a soldier following orders.
Just look at how many cheer when a cop guns somebody down in the street (or shoots some old sleeping man in the back during a bogus "drug raid").
Agenda 21

Montgomery, AL

#5 Apr 12, 2010
Ben wrote:
Americans respect a soldier following orders.
Just look at how many cheer when a cop guns somebody down in the street (or shoots some old sleeping man in the back during a bogus "drug raid").
and look at how much money we Tax Payers have spent on all these useless wars....Was in Iraq, Afghanistan, and the war on drugs....It's crazy. Think how much money we would have if we weren't always fighting useless wars for drugs and oil. It's crazy.
Agenda 21

Montgomery, AL

#6 Apr 12, 2010
lucky stiff wrote:
alll the right wing conservatives loved him.
All idi*ts talk politics instead of discussing facts.
nmdghtk

Broken Arrow, OK

#7 Apr 12, 2010
lucky stiff wrote:
alll the right wing conservatives loved him.
I'm a right wing conservative and I couldn't wait to see him fry. Your a moron if you think conservatives had anything to do with McVeigh.
Claudia

Lawton, OK

#8 Apr 12, 2010
Timothy McVeigh's aggravation began when he was in the military.. continued through Ruby Ridge and Waco.. He did feel as though government was overstepping their boundaries. As far as Waco, had David Koresh opened the door and provided authorities with paperwork for the guns he was "legally allowed" to own, there wouldn't have been a tragedy..Instead, he barred the door and prepared for war. Normal people don't do that. Normal people with nothing to hide typically cooperate with the authorities. People who do not want to operate within the boundaries of our country's laws should leave. Period. If you don't like it, get out. It's very simple. McVeigh's entire argument was based on people expecting to operate OUTSIDE of those boundaries.. Which left his argument severely flawed. No one in this country should have a problem with responsible gun owners having guns in their possession. It would seem most people have a problem with nutbags having access to deadly weapons. Let's all remember, this country's constitution was written during a completely different time than we live in today.. it's easy to claim the right to bear arms, but let's update the law to reflect the times we live in and new responsibilities we have to keeping people who choose not to carry guns safe as well..
Agenda 21

Montgomery, AL

#9 Apr 12, 2010
Claudia wrote:
Timothy McVeigh's aggravation began when he was in the military.. continued through Ruby Ridge and Waco.. He did feel as though government was overstepping their boundaries. As far as Waco, had David Koresh opened the door and provided authorities with paperwork for the guns he was "legally allowed" to own, there wouldn't have been a tragedy..Instead, he barred the door and prepared for war. Normal people don't do that. Normal people with nothing to hide typically cooperate with the authorities. People who do not want to operate within the boundaries of our country's laws should leave. Period. If you don't like it, get out. It's very simple. McVeigh's entire argument was based on people expecting to operate OUTSIDE of those boundaries.. Which left his argument severely flawed. No one in this country should have a problem with responsible gun owners having guns in their possession. It would seem most people have a problem with nutbags having access to deadly weapons. Let's all remember, this country's constitution was written during a completely different time than we live in today.. it's easy to claim the right to bear arms, but let's update the law to reflect the times we live in and new responsibilities we have to keeping people who choose not to carry guns safe as well..
I agree with you on most of that. I think that the problem now that we face is the huge amount of guns on the streets. If some kind of control would have been implemented 50 years ago then we would probably not be having these issues, but trying to implement gun laws now just makes all the innocent a target. It's a tough case. I'm a gun owner myself, and in today's society I would not feel safe without one. Sad really.
Urallidiots

Lawton, OK

#10 Apr 12, 2010
I agree with you, it is completely out of control. My father owns quite a few guns and is a retired law enforcement officer. If someone came to his door and asked to see his permits, he would PROUDLY show them to you AND his guns. He has NOTHING to hide.

Unfortunately, there are people out there with a lot to hide. Those are the people this gun law was NOT written to protect. I understand the desire to be able to defend oneself, but at some point this antiquated law needs to be redefined.

McVeigh's opinions about our government are protected. Hell, he fought for the right to believe whatever he wanted. He NEVER had the right to kill 168 innocent people because of it.
john

Shawnee Mission, KS

#12 Apr 13, 2010
He hated the direction the US government was taking. I don't believe he hated his country. Do you really think the McVeigh and the other public figures in the OK City bombing were the only people involved? It is unlikey that McVeigh and etal could have created the truck bomb. They most likely had the help of somebody in the government. Look at the murders a Ruby Ridge and Waco. The government under estimated the people they were screwing with. When federal agents got killed they had to make their mistakes know to the public. Why is the steel front door from Waco missing? This single item would show the evil intent of the BATF and the associated federal law enforcement.
Urallidiots

Lawton, OK

#14 Apr 13, 2010
Bottom line, David Koresh and his followers along with the people up at Ruby Ridge chose the WRONG PATH. They had the opportunity to work with law enforcement officers and chose not to. They felt they were above the law in this country. They have attempted to take the Constitution and twist it into their reality. Not everyone is stockpiling weapons for a war against the government. I don't have a problem with guns, I have a problem with freaks like Koresh having guns.

The Feds waited 50+ days to get them out of that house in Waco. Had that been blacks or Mexicans, that wouldn't have lasted nearly as long. Everyone was scared for the freakish "White Christian people who might be innocent".

All of the mistakes of the Feds are irrelevant when you have a large group of unstable people with modified weapons at their disposal who choose to NOT work within the boundaries of the law. Law abiding citizens and responsible gun owners would have gladly let them inspect their weapons. These people did not. So McVeigh's basis for his argument is already skewed.
Steve

Broken Arrow, OK

#15 Apr 13, 2010
I think the Government of the United States is a very hated corrupt group. This includes both parties.
Agenda 21

Montgomery, AL

#17 Apr 14, 2010
Urallidiots wrote:
I agree with you, it is completely out of control. My father owns quite a few guns and is a retired law enforcement officer. If someone came to his door and asked to see his permits, he would PROUDLY show them to you AND his guns. He has NOTHING to hide.
Unfortunately, there are people out there with a lot to hide. Those are the people this gun law was NOT written to protect. I understand the desire to be able to defend oneself, but at some point this antiquated law needs to be redefined.
McVeigh's opinions about our government are protected. Hell, he fought for the right to believe whatever he wanted. He NEVER had the right to kill 168 innocent people because of it.
It's definatley a tough issue. I have no idea on the proper route to go with limiting guns on the streets. It would suck to have law abiding citizens give up their guns, but we definately need to start rounding up guns off the streets. I don't plan on giving my guns up any time soon.

“Swimming With Ignorant Sharks”

Since: Apr 10

Oklahoma

#18 Apr 14, 2010
Someone pinch me please! What politician/whore is suggesting ALL guns should be confiscated?

I'm a gun owner and not a hunter and there are weapons laws and restrictions I agree with...Nobody needs automatic weapons or bazookas and such and carriers should be licensed....some of the problem is the ignorance of mainstream media when they refer to AK47 look-a-likes as real AK47s, but then ignorance is what this country and the media thrives on.

Look how gun sales have increased since Obama was elected in spite of not uttering a word about guns...gun advertising out of Tulsa is absolutely rediculous and exploits the built-in fear of the right wing.

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Since: Jan 13

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#19 Feb 7, 2013
Faith Healer wrote:
I'm a gun owner and not a hunter and there are weapons laws and restrictions I agree with....
You shouldn't even have a slingshot, ya homo.
Rational Tulsans

Pryor, OK

#20 Feb 7, 2013
McVeigh was a conservative. Conservatives hate their country unless it is all white and under all white control. That is why the racist whites loved the Reagan Administration.

Since: Jul 12

Oklahoma City, OK

#22 Feb 8, 2013
Rational Tulsans wrote:
McVeigh was a conservative. Conservatives hate their country unless it is all white and under all white control. That is why the racist whites loved the Reagan Administration.
Any other whacked-out, entirely false accusations you would like to add? We're all ears.
Rational Tulsans

Tulsa, OK

#23 Feb 8, 2013
The white man is a homosexual

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Since: Jan 13

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#24 Feb 8, 2013
Rational Tulsans wrote:
The white man is a homosexual
Just wishful thinkin' on your part- assuming you even have the brain capacity to think.

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