Religious groups get an out on birth control coverage

Feb 1, 2013 | Posted by: roboblogger | Full story: 11 Alive

Women who work for religious-affiliated organizations can have contraceptive services under their health insurance through separate coverage while allowing their employers not to violate their religious beliefs by exempting them from paying for it, according to a proposed regulation issued Friday by the Department of Health and Human Services.

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“Dan IS the Man”

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He's going too far. The fundies of this country should not get to impose their dogma on everyone else. Fundies rage against abortion but they don't want access to birth control either...what an ignorant crowd.
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Get religion completely out of government, medical care and any other aspect of our lives - leave it in the church where it belongs. If churches pay their fair share of taxes then maybe they could have some input (maybe) but they don't and the shouldn't. The religious beliefs of an employer should have no affect on the coverage they provide - they can obey the laws or leave.

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hmmm wrote:
<quoted text>Maybe the govt needs to get out of someones religion and quit making religious people pay for something they don't believe in. Remember , separation of church and state....
Maybe churches should start paying property taxes like everyone else.
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Long Night Moon 13 wrote:
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Maybe churches should start paying property taxes like everyone else.
Constotutional protections apply whether or not you pay property taxes.

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Long Night Moon 13 wrote:
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Maybe churches should start paying property taxes like everyone else.
They should instead of leeching off the people.

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Dan wrote:
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Constotutional protections apply whether or not you pay property taxes.
Sorry.
You missed the point.

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Morgana 9 wrote:
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They should instead of leeching off the people.
The rest of us have to pay taxes on our property and so should the churches.

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The rest of us have to pay taxes on our property and so should the churches.
I totally agree!
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No Church in Bed wrote:
Get religion completely out of government, medical care and any other aspect of our lives -.
From the fiscaltimes:

Catholic Church has perhaps the most extensive private health-care delivery system in the nation. It operates 12.6 percent of hospitals in the U.S., according to the Catholic Health Association of the U.S., accounting for 15.6 percent of all admissions and 14.5 percent of all hospital expenses, a total for Catholic hospitals in 2010 of $98.6 billion. Whom do these hospitals serve? Catholic hospitals handle more than their share of Medicare (16.6 percent) and Medicaid (13.65) discharges, meaning that more than one in six seniors and disabled patients get attention from these hospitals, and more than one in every eight low-income patients as well. Almost a third (32 percent) of these hospitals are located in rural areas, where patients usually have few other options for care.

Compared to their competition, Catholic hospitals take a leading role in providing less-profitable services to patients. They lead the sector in

The Catholic Church has perhaps the most extensive private health-care delivery system in the nation. It operates 12.6 percent of hospitals in the U.S., according to the Catholic Health Association of the U.S., accounting for 15.6 percent of all admissions and 14.5 percent of all hospital expenses, a total for Catholic hospitals in 2010 of $98.6 billion. Catholic hospitals handle more than their share of Medicare (16.6 percent) and Medicaid (13.65) discharges, meaning that more than one in six seniors and disabled patients get attention from these hospitals, and more than one in every eight low-income patients as well. Almost a third (32 percent) of these hospitals are located in rural areas, where patients usually have few other options for care.

Compared to their competition, Catholic hospitals take a leading role in providing less-profitable services to patients. They lead the sector in breast cancer screenings, nutrition programs, trauma, geriatric services, and social work. Where patients have trouble paying for care, Catholic hospitals cover more of the costs. For instance, Catholic Health Services in Florida provides free care to families below 200 percent of federal poverty line, accepting Medicaid reimbursements as payment in full, and caps costs at 20 percent of household income for families that fall between 200 percent and 400 percent of the federal poverty line.

Imagine the impact if these hospitals shut down, discounting the other 400-plus health centers and 1,500 specialized homes that the Catholic Church operates as part of its mission that would also disappear. Thanks to the economic models of these hospitals, no one will rush to buy them. One in six patients in the current system would have to vie for service in the remaining system, which would have to absorb almost $100 billion in costs each year to treat them. Over 120,000 beds would disappear from an already-stressed system.

The poor and working class families that get assistance from Catholic benefactors would end up having to pay more for their care than they do under the current system. Rural patients would have to travel farther for medical care, and services like social work and breast-cancer screenings would fall to the less-efficient government-run institutions. That would not only impact the poor and working class patients, but would create much longer wait times for everyone else in the system. Finally, over a half-million people employed by Catholic hospitals now would lose their jobs almost overnight, which would have a big impact on the economy as well as on health care.

If Obama insists on forcing the Catholic Church to fund and facilitate access to products and services they believe imperil their own souls and those of others, the bishops will simply stop employing people in these religious organizations and once those doors close, they may never reopen.

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Ink wrote:
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From the fiscaltimes:
Catholic Church has perhaps the most extensive private health-care delivery system in the nation. It operates 12.6 percent of hospitals in the U.S., according to the Catholic Health Association of the U.S., accounting for 15.6 percent of all admissions and 14.5 percent of all hospital expenses, a total for Catholic hospitals in 2010 of $98.6 billion. Whom do these hospitals serve? Catholic hospitals handle more than their share of Medicare (16.6 percent) and Medicaid (13.65) discharges, meaning that more than one in six seniors and disabled patients get attention from these hospitals, and more than one in every eight low-income patients as well. Almost a third (32 percent) of these hospitals are located in rural areas, where patients usually have few other options for care.
Compared to their competition, Catholic hospitals take a leading role in providing less-profitable services to patients. They lead the sector in
So they are receiving federal funds and feel they do not have to abide by law? If an abortion is needed to save the life of the mother they should HAVE to perform it by LAW or be sued and shut down.
http://www.irishcentral.com/news/American-dol...
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So they are receiving federal funds and feel they do not have to abide by law? If an abortion is needed to save the life of the mother they should HAVE to perform it by LAW or be sued and shut down.
http://www.irishcentral.com/news/American-dol...
Or they can just shut down, along with schools, universities and charitable orgs. Now watch taxes go up as the government struggles to deal with the vacuum.

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<quoted text>We are not a communist country, and we will not commit evil even if the govt forces us. WE WON"T COMMIT THE VILE EVIL ACT OF ABORTION.
AND in many circumstances YOU WON'T SAVE THE MOTHERS LIFE!!! YOU PREFER TO LET THE BITCH DIE....GOT IT!! LEAVE NOW!! BYE!!!!

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Or they can just shut down, along with schools, universities and charitable orgs. Now watch taxes go up as the government struggles to deal with the vacuum.
Let them!!!!!! They are already receiving government funds. I am sure there are other much less misogynistic religions take their place!!! BYE

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<quoted text>You disrespect women by calling them derogatory names, no surprise, pro aborts disrespect all life born and unborn. Sad that you are too selfish to understand real motherhood.
That was you talking baby!!! You have no respect for women/girls. You would let them die as opposed to allowing them life saving measures. YOU have ZERO respect for the born as you are nothing BUT a fetus worshipping women hating imbecile. Names are nothing compared to a death sentence for being a pregnant woman/girl. You understand nothing but male phallic worship brainwashing you into second class citizenry. I would not trust my daughter under your care for one NY second.

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I do not understand why any Religious groups find it difficult to provide cotraceptive services to their employees. Men enjoy vaginal sex;and,so do many women. However, pregnancy is only a consequence for the woman.
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Let them!!!!!! They are already receiving government funds. I am sure there are other much less misogynistic religions take their place!!! BYE
No there aren't. No one else will take so little money to care for the sick. Many are complete charities. As long as you can get a Catholic to buy your birth control the hell with the rest of the people who despertly need the care provided. Pretty selfish.

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<quoted text>Tell everyone how many hours do you volunteer at a food bank, distributing food to the needy,lifting those fifty ound boxws to their cars, buying diapers for poor mothers , buying and donating furniture for a young poor mother, giving the homeless man and woman pedicures so they won't get infections, cleaning their feet when they haven't bathed in a month, teaching a class on how to budget qhen you already worked twelve hours. donating your time cutting their hair, the whole family mind you. buying toys at Christmas time, making hats, blankets, quilts for the poor and homeless. Spending YOUR lunch hour cleaning carrots for the soup line. A woman who really believes in the pro life - respect life does all this plus much more. Now post what YOU do.
Now that you are dancing around in a complete different circle tell me if you would be in favor of allowing an abortion to a woman with a life threatening pregnancy in all your christian charity? That is the discussion. I don't give a flying fck what you claim to do I consider it BS. Stay on topic.

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No there aren't. No one else will take so little money to care for the sick. Many are complete charities. As long as you can get a Catholic to buy your birth control the hell with the rest of the people who despertly need the care provided. Pretty selfish.
I will say it again. I hope they all close down. I trust them as far as I can throw them. They can and will be replaced by a non-misogynistic entity.

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<quoted text>It is on topic, you are selfish, you would n't put your child ahead of yourself. A good mother would do anything for their children, anything, even giving her life. I feel sorry for your kids.
Thank you. You would kick back and let the woman who could be saved die in the name of your god. That is selfish. It denies the right to self defense. You are a sick pup.

The case in ireland is a woman who at 17 weeks was miscarrying and experiencing septicemia, they let her die in agony just as you would.

http://abcnews.go.com/Health/irish-abortion-d...
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I will say it again. I hope they all close down. I trust them as far as I can throw them. They can and will be replaced by a non-misogynistic entity.
Nobody buys hospitals that break even or lose money to accomadate the poor. You have no idea what you are wishing for.

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