LDS won't be forced

[Pahoran]

writewingproxycontin wrote:

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Funny this is coming from a Mormon Churchcult person. Openly, explicitly racist until the 1970s. Sexist in the past and present. Homophobic. Guilty of anti Semitism in these bizarre baptisms of dead Jews.

That last accusation is as accurate as all the rest. It is an *incontrovertible fact* that the LDS practice of Baptism for the Dead is NOT targeted at Jews. If it is targeted at anyone at all, it would be the deceased ancestors of living Mormons.

Thus, to call that practice "anti Semitism" is a brazen, barefaced and intentionally inflammatory *lie*.

writewingproxycontin wrote:

Sick.

You certainly are.

writewingproxycontin wrote:

With the help of these religious freeks

Did you mean to say "freaks?"

writewingproxycontin wrote:

in CA, it has been determined that the populace of the US may deprive any minority of equal rights by a ballot proposition, as happened with Prop. 8.

No. It is not.

"Same sex marriage" is not an "equal right." It was a legal innovation. The reality is that marriage, an opposite-sex institution, is open to all eligible adults, without regard to "sexual orientation."

writewingproxycontin wrote:

This was literally the argument set forth by Ken Starr in defending Prop. 8, and if it stands it's pretty clearly only a matter of time before fundamentalist Christians and Catholics and Jews and secular people in the US consider likewise limiting the rights of Moron Churchcult members. It's called what goes around comes around. Amen.

Gloat away; but if your masturbatory fantasy ever did come to fruition it would, of course, be an unparallel.

Regards,
Pahoran

[writewingproxyco ntin]

Pahoran wrote:

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That last accusation is as accurate as all the rest. It is an *incontrovertible fact* that the LDS practice of Baptism for the Dead is NOT targeted at Jews. If it is targeted at anyone at all, it would be the deceased ancestors of living Mormons.
Thus, to call that practice "anti Semitism" is a brazen, barefaced and intentionally inflammatory *lie*.

No, you're a lying cult member.

It is a matter of record that the Moron Churchcult openly discriminated against black people in the cult hierarchy until the 70s. The cult still discriminates against women, and, of course, against gay people.

These are called facts.

If my charge about baptizing dead Jews is "as accurate as all the rest" then I rest my case. Of course, everyone who looks it up will realize that Jews have repeatedly asked the Churchcult to stop with the baptisms of dead Jews from the Shoah. That the cult tries to keep certain aspects of its "faith" secret is further evidence of illness.

However, leaving aside the issue of anti Semitism, which the cult is clearly guilty of in doctrinal ways as discussed, the idea of baptizing _any_ dead person is well beyond sick in and of itself.

Don't forget cretin: Mormons have set up a paradigm within which a minority can be deprived of its equal rights by a proposition on the ballot. Don't think the xstain talibangelicals or Jews or Catholics or agnostics regard your Churchcult as anything other than deranged.

Amen.

[Grandpasmurf952]

Pahoran said "The *real* evidence shows that the massacre was entirely a local operation.

And note, please, that Smurf does not, because he cannot, rely upon you to reach the conclusion he wants you to reach without first poisoning the well (see link, above) and then loading the dice.

Does that suggest that he is not secure in that conclusion?

Why yes; it does.

Regards,
Pahoran "

I won't post any more sites. This troll will lie about anything that I post and than twist it around in an attempt to make it appear as if I am lying. If you follow her/him and other mormon trolls you will see a consistent pattern of ad homimen attacks and just plain vile lies followed sometimes by bogus sites supporting their insane views. You can tell when you have hit a nerve by how excited the insane rants get :)

As more and more of us become acquainted with the insanity of this group and recognize the very real lesson about their insane blood atonement doctrine and lies to cover it up the more quickly we can free the poor people that are trapped in this insanity before we have another "Mountain Meadows Massacre" on our hands, for those who think this insane blind obedience to prophets can not occur in this day and age just think of Jim Jones, kool aid, and blind obedience to a prophet

[Tom in Lazybrook]

Pahoran wrote:

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That's right. The Mormons are out to get you. Those black helicopters you see following you? They're ours. Got your tinfoil hat? If not, there are some good websites where you can get some really fashionable ones.
This kind of conspiracy theory is utter nonsense, and entirely worthy of ridicule.
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Yes, I'm aware that the gaystapo are busily targeting their political opponents for retribution.
Regards,
Pahoran

Meanwhile, the Latter Day Saints Foundation is working with Iran and Syria at the UN to stop UN condemnation of executions of people simply for being Gay. FACT.

[Imprtnrd]

Tom in Lazybrook wrote:

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Meanwhile, the Latter Day Saints Foundation is working with Iran and Syria at the UN to stop UN condemnation of executions of people simply for being Gay. FACT.

Link?

[Burn]

Thus, to call that practice "anti Semitism" is a brazen, barefaced and intentionally inflammatory *lie*.

Really? Is that why you scumbags continue the practice after agreeing NOT to perform them for ANY deceased JEWS?

Scumbags!

[Tom in Lazybrook]

Imprtnrd wrote:

<quoted text>Link?

Go to the World Congress of Families website. Note that the Latter Day Saints Foundation is listed as a major sponsor. Look up January and Decembers' issue celebrating the defeat of UN condemnation of execution of Gays (opposition led by Syria). Look up the UN resolution.

[Grandpasmurf952]

Tom in Lazybrook said "Meanwhile, the Latter Day Saints Foundation is working with Iran and Syria at the UN to stop UN condemnation of executions of people simply for being Gay. FACT. "

The attack on gay people is an example of the insanity of the Patriarchal Religious Military Industrial Complex of which the Later Day Saints are a major player.

What is happening is just the tip of the iceberg.

The Patriarchal Religious Military Industrial Complex depends on a clear demarcation between the sexes to justify the claims of authority of it's volcano god. Without this the whole edifice will crumble like a deck of cards.

You can expect the bizarre nature of the homophobic rants from the pulpits to accelerate to dangerous levels as it already has in some places.

Of course the whole insanity can not survive. But in it's death throes it can and will take out the planet if it can.

World War III is not a totally unlikely scenerio and there are insane homophobes all over the planet fanning the flames of hatred to get it going!

We all need to get informed and involved !!!!!

Apathy is not a solution!

[LindaS]

Pahoran wrote:

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That's right. The Mormons are out to get you. Those black helicopters you see following you? They're ours. Got your tinfoil hat? If not, there are some good websites where you can get some really fashionable ones.
This kind of conspiracy theory is utter nonsense, and entirely worthy of ridicule.
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Yes, I'm aware that the gaystapo are busily targeting their political opponents for retribution.
Regards,
Pahoran

I guess Mormons don't need tin foil hats since they have magic underwear!

[Phart Sniffer]

LindaS wrote:

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I guess Mormons don't need tin foil hats since they have magic underwear!

And they get a silver tongue when they get baptized. What they say goes.

[Pahoran]

Tom in Lazybrook wrote:

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Meanwhile, the Latter Day Saints Foundation is working with Iran and Syria at the UN to stop UN condemnation of executions of people simply for being Gay. FACT.

If it's a fact, then it ought to be fairly simple to prove it.

Call for references, please.

Regards,
Pahoran

[Pahoran]

Burn wrote:

Thus, to call that practice "anti Semitism" is a brazen, barefaced and intentionally inflammatory *lie*.
Really? Is that why you scumbags continue the practice after agreeing NOT to perform them for ANY deceased JEWS?

Call for references, please. I think you will find that the Church of Jesus Christ has *never* made any such agreement. What we have done is agreed not to use lists of holocaust victims as sources for name extraction. Most names are submitted to the Temple by members of the Church based upon their own genealogical research.

Of course, the Church does not, cannot, and would not if it could, censor the names that are submitted, or force submitters to prove their own lineal relationships to the people whose names are submitted. This does of course make the system vulnerable to abuse; for example, well-meaning but misguided members might submit names for people other than their own relatives; and agitators looking to stir up trouble might submit bogus names and then pretend to "discover" them in the Church's database.

But thoughtful critics of the Church, if such there be, would not suppose that such instances represent any reneging on the Church's actual agreement.

Burn wrote:

Scumbags!

You name it, you claim it.

Regards,
Pahoran

[Pahoran]

Tom in Lazybrook wrote:

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Go to the World Congress of Families website. Note that the Latter Day Saints Foundation is listed as a major sponsor.

This is true:

http://www.worldcongress.org/wcfnl/wcfnl.cur....

Tom in Lazybrook wrote:

Look up January and Decembers' issue celebrating the defeat of UN condemnation of execution of Gays (opposition led by Syria). Look up the UN resolution.

I'm not sure that this part is true, however.

Here is a link to the January issue:

http://www.worldcongress.org/wcfnl/htm/2009/w...

The first article seems to refer to something vaguely similar to what you are talking about, but nothing to do with execution of "gays." Here is a link to the December issue:

http://www.worldcongress.org/wcf/wcf.nl/wcf.n...

If there is anything there on that topic, it did not leap off the page. Would you care to cite the bits that support your assertion?

Regards,
Pahoran

[Tom in Lazybrook]

Pahoran wrote:

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This is true:
http://www.worldcongress.org/wcfnl/wcfnl.cur....
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I'm not sure that this part is true, however.
Here is a link to the January issue:
http://www.worldcongress.org/wcfnl/htm/2009/w...
The first article seems to refer to something vaguely similar to what you are talking about, but nothing to do with execution of "gays." Here is a link to the December issue:
http://www.worldcongress.org/wcf/wcf.nl/wcf.n...
If there is anything there on that topic, it did not leap off the page. Would you care to cite the bits that support your assertion?
Regards,
Pahoran

Your not done yet. Look up the UN resolution in question. Read it. Then ask why WCF is so engaged in helping Syria stop UN condemnation as in the resolution.

[Pahoran]

Tom in Lazybrook wrote:

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Your not done yet. Look up the UN resolution in question. Read it. Then ask why WCF is so engaged in helping Syria stop UN condemnation as in the resolution.

The UN resolution referenced in the WCF newsletter is found here:

http://www.un.org/en/documents/udhr/

Are you sure that's the one you are talking about?

Regards,
Pahoran

[Coyote The Trickster]

Tom in Lazybrook said "Your not done yet. Look up the UN resolution in question. Read it. Then ask why WCF is so engaged in helping Syria stop UN condemnation as in the resolution. "

"You can lead a horse to water.

but you can drown a deeply religious man in it,

and he will still deny that the water exists with his last dying thoughts!"

[Pahoran]

Coyote The Trickster wrote:

Tom in Lazybrook said "Your not done yet. Look up the UN resolution in question. Read it. Then ask why WCF is so engaged in helping Syria stop UN condemnation as in the resolution. "
"You can lead a horse to water.
but you can drown a deeply religious man in it,
and he will still deny that the water exists with his last dying thoughts!"

I've read the WCF newsletters.

I've read the UN resolution referenced in one of them.

I see nothing about the execution of "gays" in any of these documents.

At this rate I'm in less danger of being drowned in supporting evidence than I am of dying of thirst.

Regards,
Pahoran

[Tom in Lazybrook]

Pahoran wrote:

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I've read the WCF newsletters.
I've read the UN resolution referenced in one of them.
I see nothing about the execution of "gays" in any of these documents.
At this rate I'm in less danger of being drowned in supporting evidence than I am of dying of thirst.
Regards,
Pahoran

The UN resolution in question refers to imprisonment and criminalization of people simply for being Gay. The Mormons helped a country that EXECUTES Gay people oppose this resolution. Its not a stretch.

[Pahoran]

Tom in Lazybrook wrote:

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The UN resolution in question refers to imprisonment and criminalization of people simply for being Gay.

Really? Where?

Here is the resolution:

http://www.un.org/en/documents/udhr/

Can you please quote the bit that says what you think it says? Because I can't find it.

Tom in Lazybrook wrote:

The Mormons helped a country that EXECUTES Gay people oppose this resolution.

Again: call for references.

A wave of the hand is not a reference.

I went looking where you said to look. I did not find what you said I would find. Is it possible that you were referring to something else?

Or is it possible that you interpreted something in a way that is not available on the evidence?

Tom in Lazybrook wrote:

Its not a stretch.

Neither is an outright fabrication a "stretch." The question, though, is whether what you emphatically declared a "fact" really happened in the actual world.

I'm prepared to give you the benefit of the doubt; but when you make outright accusations, you really ought to understand that the burden of proof rests with you.

So, can you satisfy that burden?

Regards,
Pahoran