Gays are not guaranteed the right to wed in church

Aug 13, 2013 Full story: The Modesto Bee 67

When Barbara Brecher and Terry Allen married in June 2008, during the brief window that year when same-sex marriage was legal in California, they asked the entire membership of Congregation B'nai Israel to witness the ceremony.

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david traversa

Cordoba, Argentina

#1 Aug 13, 2013
Actually people like Putin , Bryan Fischer , Linda Harvey , etc. seem to be on the gays ' side .. Their idiotic remarks and even more idiotic opinions do nothing but promote sympathy for the LGTB group . It's obvious that hate for anything that smacks of freedom and justice is still very much alive in Russia ; religious intolerance and that deadliest of mental maladies , bigotry , finish the job very nicely on our side of the world . Let them say ..
Rainbow Kid

Alpharetta, GA

#2 Aug 13, 2013
david traversa wrote:
Actually people like Putin , Bryan Fischer , Linda Harvey , etc. seem to be on the gays ' side .. Their idiotic remarks and even more idiotic opinions do nothing but promote sympathy for the LGTB group . It's obvious that hate for anything that smacks of freedom and justice is still very much alive in Russia ; religious intolerance and that deadliest of mental maladies , bigotry , finish the job very nicely on our side of the world . Let them say ..
I was thinking of that a few days ago
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We would be nowhere today if the fake christians had not caused such a row and drive our court cases to the Supreme Court
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Barney Frank summed it up
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/06/27/barn...

Since: Mar 09

Location hidden

#5 Aug 13, 2013
I have absolutely no desire to try to force religions to accept gay CIVIL Marriages, just as they cannot force me to accept their criteria for participation in THEIR institutions.
anonymous

Barberton, OH

#6 Aug 13, 2013
snyper wrote:
I have absolutely no desire to try to force religions to accept gay CIVIL Marriages, just as they cannot force me to accept their criteria for participation in THEIR institutions.
You're missing the point. The gays are riding the witch hunt train that the liberals created and nobody is allowed to jump the train.

Now, you can sit on a fence and talk about freedom, bigotry or morality but sooner or later, a choice will be forced on you because you won't make your own.

Tell us about freedom now!

Since: Mar 07

The entire US of A

#7 Aug 13, 2013
And we should not be guaranteed that right. Each church should decide these things internally.

“ reality, what a concept”

Since: Nov 07

this one

#8 Aug 13, 2013
Straights are not guaranteed the right to wed in church and never have been. If you do not qualify under any given faith's requirement for their blessing of your wedding, your right to marry doesn't supersede their right to their practices. Places of worship are not considered places of public accommodation and religious officiants are not public officials. It doesn't matter if you are marrying someone of either sex.

Since: Mar 09

Location hidden

#9 Aug 13, 2013
anonymous wrote:
<quoted text>
You're missing the point. The gays are riding the witch hunt train that the liberals created and nobody is allowed to jump the train.
Now, you can sit on a fence and talk about freedom, bigotry or morality but sooner or later, a choice will be forced on you because you won't make your own.
Tell us about freedom now!
SOME are. Most are not.

I actively and vociferously oppose those that are.

“What Goes Around, Comes Around”

Since: Mar 07

Kansas City, MO.

#10 Aug 13, 2013
Any church has the right to refuse to marry ANYONE!

“I will not go quietly.”

Since: Feb 07

Indianapolis Indiana

#11 Aug 13, 2013
anonymous wrote:
<quoted text>
You're missing the point. The gays are riding the witch hunt train that the liberals created and nobody is allowed to jump the train.
Now, you can sit on a fence and talk about freedom, bigotry or morality but sooner or later, a choice will be forced on you because you won't make your own.
Tell us about freedom now!
There's no "witch hunt" train. Churches have every right to conduct their Rites as they see fit, including or denying others as their claimed beliefs dictate, nothing has ever been suggested to think otherwise.
Outside those beliefs, when it comes to business transactions based on Governmental contracts(or other such similar secular circumstances)they have no legitimate right to refuse to recognize a person's marriage if and when it comes to secular situations such as sending a spouse to pick up a check for services rendered, insurance coverage for an accountant's mate or any other every day occurrence(and that would include the guardianship of Public lands held in trust by a Church, sorry to point that out for all those chortling and rubbing your hands with glee).

“Together for 24, legal for 5”

Since: Sep 07

Littleton, NH

#12 Aug 13, 2013
anonymous wrote:
<quoted text>
You're missing the point. The gays are riding the witch hunt train that the liberals created and nobody is allowed to jump the train.
Now, you can sit on a fence and talk about freedom, bigotry or morality but sooner or later, a choice will be forced on you because you won't make your own.
Tell us about freedom now!
Really? Did someone make you marry a same-sex partner? Attend a same-sex wedding? Buy a gift?

No? Well, I guess you still have the freedom to be a bigot. Lucky you.

Since: Mar 07

The entire US of A

#13 Aug 13, 2013
anonymous wrote:
<quoted text>
You're missing the point. The gays are riding the witch hunt train that the liberals created and nobody is allowed to jump the train.
Now, you can sit on a fence and talk about freedom, bigotry or morality but sooner or later, a choice will be forced on you because you won't make your own.
Tell us about freedom now!
You are being forced to marry someone of the same gender?

DNF

“Religious Freedom to Marry”

Since: Apr 07

Newark OH / Baltimore MD

#14 Aug 13, 2013
anonymous wrote:
<quoted text>
You're missing the point. The gays are riding the witch hunt train that the liberals created and nobody is allowed to jump the train.
Now, you can sit on a fence and talk about freedom, bigotry or morality but sooner or later, a choice will be forced on you because you won't make your own.
Tell us about freedom now!
Your church has always had the right to refuse SSM and always will.

Many other churches also bless SSM.

No one is forcing you to join a different church. If your Church becomes more compassionate to others and that bothers you, then you are free to find another church.

Freedom now, as it's almost always been.

DNF

“Religious Freedom to Marry”

Since: Apr 07

Newark OH / Baltimore MD

#15 Aug 13, 2013
Quest wrote:
And we should not be guaranteed that right. Each church should decide these things internally.
big red heart
McIver

UK

#17 Sep 2, 2013
Quest wrote:
And we should not be guaranteed that right. Each church should decide these things internally.

Churches are not religions. Christianity is a religion, churches are places that take christianity and use it to suit the prejudices of their congregation.

“I will not go quietly.”

Since: Feb 07

Indianapolis Indiana

#18 Sep 2, 2013
McIver wrote:
<quoted text>
Churches are not religions. Christianity is a religion, churches are places that take christianity and use it to suit the prejudices of their congregation.
Christianity is precisely no more and no less than exactly what those who believe in it make from it. So far there is no definitive translation, no official Doctrine which is able to stand out and "prove" that it is the "Real Christianity" as compared to all the other variations.

Since: Mar 07

The entire US of A

#19 Sep 2, 2013
McIver wrote:
<quoted text>
Churches are not religions. Christianity is a religion, churches are places that take christianity and use it to suit the prejudices of their congregation.
And all of Christianity is not against same sex marriage. Each congregation should be able to decide such things internally, but of course, they should NOT be able to enforce their beliefs outside of their own pews.

DNF

“Religious Freedom to Marry”

Since: Apr 07

Newark OH / Baltimore MD

#20 Sep 2, 2013
McIver wrote:
<quoted text>
Churches are not religions. Christianity is a religion, churches are places that take christianity and use it to suit the prejudices of their congregation.
When the Bible, Qur'an or any religious text starts being used as a weapon, most of the good messages it contains get lost. And in doing that the sacredness of those teachings as well as the sacredness of those texts and scriptures is destroyed.

My Mom always said Church is where religion lives. The heart is where God lives.
McIver

UK

#22 Sep 5, 2013
Quest wrote:
<quoted text>
And all of Christianity is not against same sex marriage. Each congregation should be able to decide such things internally, but of course, they should NOT be able to enforce their beliefs outside of their own pews.

That seems a bit unfair. Homosexuals are famous for expounding their beliefs outside their bedrooms.

I tolerate all beliefs and idiocincracies of people of all persuasions, but it seems you are the pot calling the kettle black.

Accept that there are people who don't really care what you are or what you do, they just don't want to hear about it when you are defending your habits and exposing your insecurities.

“I will not go quietly.”

Since: Feb 07

Indianapolis Indiana

#23 Sep 5, 2013
McIver wrote:
<quoted text>
That seems a bit unfair. Homosexuals are famous for expounding their beliefs outside their bedrooms.
Homosexuality isn't a religion, and our "beliefs" go much farther than being in the bedroom, the same way heterosexual couples beliefs do.
McIver wrote:
I tolerate all beliefs and idiocincracies of people of all persuasions, but it seems you are the pot calling the kettle black.
Not even remotely true.
McIver wrote:
Accept that there are people who don't really care what you are or what you do, they just don't want to hear about it when you are defending your habits and exposing your insecurities.
Actually that sounds like advice that you and your ilk should take to heart, people could care less who or what you worship, but you aren't earning any friends insisting that your beliefs should somehow trump others rights.
McIver

UK

#25 Sep 5, 2013
Pagan and Proud wrote:
<quoted text> you aren't earning any friends insisting that your beliefs should somehow trump others rights.

It seems you are the one who thinks your beliefs trump the beliefs of others.

You wear your insecurities on your sleeve it seems. To have to tell people via your avatar that you are "Proud" is sad. Having to use a nomenclature such as "Pagan and Proud" is proof of your insecurities.

We can only hope you find the pity you crave through your self seeking offerings. You certainly have my pity, whether you like it or not. You see the advantage I have over you is that I can be magnanimous and tolerate your silly talk, whereas you have to resort to insults because you know of no other method of expressing yourself.

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