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Veterans dying because of health care delays

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Viet Nam Vet

Frankfort, OH

#1 Feb 1, 2014
The VA has outlived its veterans for years and will continue to do so. VA Doctors recieve bonuses for the number of patients they see and their efforts to contain costs. What better way to conserve costs than to not schedule consults with specialists?

I still believe the VA needs to be abolished. In its place, give every veteran a health care card go for unlimited medical care with the health care provider of their choice. It would be cheaper than the current systems and make better health care available for all of our vets.
yepper

Rio Rancho, NM

#2 Feb 1, 2014
yes VA system, here's some of the older vets you're still killing off today with the foot dragging. Remember, today is the 46th anniversary of TET 68.
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The Mad Man

Long Beach, CA

#3 Feb 1, 2014
I finally got my symptoms recognized at my local VA and after months of waiting got an appointment for an epidural shot to my spine but that was not the area that was in severe pain. No MRI's were ordered and guessing that I needed this procedure, went for it. I did ask the doctor later why and his response was,'that is all we treat here but you will have to go to your Primary care doctor for pain medication'...???
Now this is a pain clinic!!! I was also told that 'THIS IS MY CHARITY WORK AND WE ARE LIMITED ON WHAT WE CAN DO'...??
I wrote to the chief of staff and he called me within the week. I told him the treatment I received although it was not the area of pain I had been experiencing and his response was 'we are short on treating doctors but I suggest you go to another pain clinic that has a muti-disiplinary treatment program. The chief of staff was very helpful although he said he could not discipline this doctor since they did not have enough doctors to go around and the positions were not being filled with qualified applicants.
I went to this other clinic and they did recognize my pain issue and it's location and have set me up for injections although I have had to wait about two months. I am still waiting but at least they have the right area to treat and recognize where and what my pain issues are.
How do you make an issue about a treating doctor when they cannot be disciplined because they are short of staff? The first doctor gave me steroid treatment to my spine although I clearly indicated that this was not the area of pain I had been experiencing but he went and treated it anyway? After I contacted the chief of staff, I never went back to the first doctor since clearly he was not interested in listening to what I had to say.
IF EVER YOU ARE NOT SURE ABOUT YOUR DIAGNOSIS, TAKE ACTION AND DON'T JUST TAKE THE DOCTORS WORD FOR IT. SOMETIMES THEY ARE JUST IDIOTS!!!!!
Jaimie

Madison, WI

#4 Feb 1, 2014
Veterans are givin a opportunity for Retirment JOB in military. This is not face value society. That is the transfer locations of expert medics designed and trained for THEIR GROUP ONLY.

All police, hospital and clinics are mandated to protocol when a veteran is in building to be debriefed on his cares and what medications they can take.

My father particularily is to take Medical HASH and Vicadin

For me and my disbilities(birth and life):

Medical Marjuania, Vicadin, 50mg of Valuim, a topical sponge q tip cocaine applicators, Nitrotabs, standard anti-biotics like a eurythromycin.

VA was not to check in with a local Dr unless vitals and other diagnositc tests for facimilie transfers to their post assignment from PAST tense service.

No military DR is debriefed on each service man, classified to case specific and assgined location dr. They need to go to the next reunion for their medical cares and medications and do not waiver form the dosage, and have legal care provider family or friend that knows what MEDCIAL DETENTION and durress is: head ache, weight gain, weight loss tooth grinding, snoring, COnvulsives, aka stroke and heart attack. ANd FOrce mandate the call and transfer immediate.
Jaimie

Madison, WI

#5 Feb 1, 2014
The Mad Man wrote:
I finally got my symptoms recognized at my local VA and after months of waiting got an appointment for an epidural shot to my spine but that was not the area that was in severe pain. No MRI's were ordered and guessing that I needed this procedure, went for it. I did ask the doctor later why and his response was,'that is all we treat here but you will have to go to your Primary care doctor for pain medication'...???
Now this is a pain clinic!!! I was also told that 'THIS IS MY CHARITY WORK AND WE ARE LIMITED ON WHAT WE CAN DO'...??
I wrote to the chief of staff and he called me within the week. I told him the treatment I received although it was not the area of pain I had been experiencing and his response was 'we are short on treating doctors but I suggest you go to another pain clinic that has a muti-disiplinary treatment program. The chief of staff was very helpful although he said he could not discipline this doctor since they did not have enough doctors to go around and the positions were not being filled with qualified applicants.
I went to this other clinic and they did recognize my pain issue and it's location and have set me up for injections although I have had to wait about two months. I am still waiting but at least they have the right area to treat and recognize where and what my pain issues are.
How do you make an issue about a treating doctor when they cannot be disciplined because they are short of staff? The first doctor gave me steroid treatment to my spine although I clearly indicated that this was not the area of pain I had been experiencing but he went and treated it anyway? After I contacted the chief of staff, I never went back to the first doctor since clearly he was not interested in listening to what I had to say.
IF EVER YOU ARE NOT SURE ABOUT YOUR DIAGNOSIS, TAKE ACTION AND DON'T JUST TAKE THE DOCTORS WORD FOR IT. SOMETIMES THEY ARE JUST IDIOTS!!!!!
Small amethyst tumble stone, with your own body saliva on it, a piece of metal in aluminum foil and a small electircal impulse. Foot and toe applications to the live enzigme and it effects head immediate to move nerve and muscle cords to quiet the mind and pressure.

“lie2menomo”

Since: Jul 09

Location hidden

#6 Feb 2, 2014
This is the care all Americans will receive, and do receive. It is all about quantity not quality. Doctors will delay diagnose as long as they can if government is paying or insurance. It is not how much you have, It is how much more they can get. HIPPA will just allow records to be private. And beware adults who have no spouse, You are easy target to less regard do to fact it is hard to hold accountability without any survivors.
The Mad Man

Long Beach, CA

#7 Feb 2, 2014
Jaimie wrote:
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Small amethyst tumble stone, with your own body saliva on it, a piece of metal in aluminum foil and a small electircal impulse. Foot and toe applications to the live enzigme and it effects head immediate to move nerve and muscle cords to quiet the mind and pressure.
Now you are starting to sound like the doctor who considers treating patients as his 'charity work'. That's scary?
FACT

Canada

#8 Feb 6, 2014
these white terrorists need to be DEPORTED back to Europe and receive the death penalty for war crimes! GT OFOUR LAND!
FACT

Canada

#9 Feb 6, 2014
GET OFF OUR LAND!!!!!!!!!!

“Shoot for the stars”

Since: Dec 10

Planet Earth

#10 Feb 6, 2014
Viet Nam Vet wrote:
The VA has outlived its veterans for years and will continue to do so. VA Doctors recieve bonuses for the number of patients they see and their efforts to contain costs. What better way to conserve costs than to not schedule consults with specialists?
I still believe the VA needs to be abolished. In its place, give every veteran a health care card go for unlimited medical care with the health care provider of their choice. It would be cheaper than the current systems and make better health care available for all of our vets.
Sad to say, but it also depends on which VA hospital is in question. So far, knock on wood, I have received excellent medical care @ Wade Park, which is in partnership with CWRU and UH, and the satellite clinic in our county. Also, the VA does send patients to specialists outside the system and pays for it, which happened to me a few times already.

What takes forever is getting the disability rating and getting into the system, which needs a drastic overhaul.

Thank you for your service, Viet Nam Vet.
Stuart Cudahy

Brisbane, Australia

#11 Feb 6, 2014
Jaimie wrote:
<quoted text>
Small amethyst tumble stone, with your own body saliva on it, a piece of metal in aluminum foil and a small electircal impulse. Foot and toe applications to the live enzigme and it effects head immediate to move nerve and muscle cords to quiet the mind and pressure.
. I never went to war but my teeth are gone. This society doesn't seem to have much time. Without healthcare we are probably screwed. Stu
Stuart Cudahy

Brisbane, Australia

#12 Feb 6, 2014
A ww2 veteran Korea at a pinch. Vietnam is a question mark and the victims of American foreign policy follows. All follow.
VN Vet

Richmond, VA

#13 Feb 6, 2014
As a vet going to the VA in Richmond, Va., they do a very good job. A buddy of mine in Washington state, has had horror stories. My big question is why are they putting more people on welfare, and bringing in illegals into the country to be taken care of instead of taking care of all the men and women who have served our country? We don't need these parasites taking away from those that earned it. Perhaps it is time for a "MILLION VET MARCH" on DC.(and maybe we should go armed). They armed us to do their dirty work, let's see how they like being on the receiving end.
The Mad Man

Long Beach, CA

#14 Feb 7, 2014
Jaimie wrote:
<quoted text>
Small amethyst tumble stone, with your own body saliva on it, a piece of metal in aluminum foil and a small electircal impulse. Foot and toe applications to the live enzigme and it effects head immediate to move nerve and muscle cords to quiet the mind and pressure.
Take this back to your witch doctor, I'll take drugs to 'quiet the mind and pressure', suggest you do the same???
Viet Nam Vet

Chillicothe, OH

#15 Feb 8, 2014
Earth Child 1 wrote:
<quoted text>Sad to say, but it also depends on which VA hospital is in question. So far, knock on wood, I have received excellent medical care @ Wade Park, which is in partnership with CWRU and UH, and the satellite clinic in our county. Also, the VA does send patients to specialists outside the system and pays for it, which happened to me a few times already.
What takes forever is getting the disability rating and getting into the system, which needs a drastic overhaul.
Thank you for your service, Viet Nam Vet.
I don't deserve thanks. I was a draftee who went where my country sent me and did the job I was told to do. No more, no less. Just never expected to spend the next 40+ years dealing with stupid people AND a VA who does not want to do its job. My disappointment is that the VA is not willing to take its responsibility "to care for those that have borne the battle" to heart and do the job to the best of their ability. If the VA just spent 1/2 the time dealing with veterans health problems immediatedly and completely the first time, the waiting times for speciality services would drop immediatedly. Sounds stuipid, right? Just consider the impact if waiting lists were actually eliminated or greatly reduced by tasking VA employees to actually DO THEIR JOBS.

In an attempt to recieve the care I needed. I've been to Wade Park, Brecksville, Cincinnati, Dayton and Pittsburgh. Both of the Cleveland facilities were armpits (being kind). Cincinnati was just a dirty hole in teh middle of a jungle. Pittsburgh is just Pittsburgh. Dayton was probably the best but that's not saying much. Glad they closed Brecksville. Finally resolved my health problem with a private specialist and have not been back to the VA except for minor issues since. Chillicothe's health care might improve since they recently cleaned house but you can expect the qualtity of Columbus's health care to go down since they were "blessed" (lol) with one of Chillicothe's top management rejects.

Sadly, you are partially correct. Different locations can provide different levels of care for the same problems. In reality the care any veteran recieves is dependent on the leadership of the Medical Center not the location. I've experienced first hand how the replacement of one or two of the top management can make a dramatic difference. Some of these petty Dictators become so wrapped up in their own little power trips that they forget they are there to provide care for our veterans.

Good luck Earth Child, you'll need it if you trust the VA for your sole health care provider.
VN Vet

Richmond, VA

#16 Feb 8, 2014
Viet Nam Vet, you are SO right. Any time you let the government control something, it goes to crap ( think Obama Care). I go to the VA and also have a private doctor and insurance. I call it "covering my own ass". You HAVE to take care of yourself and not trust anyone else. As far as the "thanks for your service" comment, be thankful for it now. Remember how we were treated when we came home.------ BTW, " WELCOME HOME BROTHER". I'm glad you made it home. just hang in there and remember, "It ain't 'nothin' but a thing".----From a fellow vet from '68 to '69. It's all gravy from here on.
Stuart Cudahy

Brisbane, Australia

#17 Feb 10, 2014
DVA is a poison a denial. The measure of a society is it's soldiers. It's citizen soldiers. Do not allow politicians to slide out from under. We have a shared hope, if politicians are not bloody, they. Should. Be. Stu
Jaimie

Madison, WI

#18 Feb 11, 2014
The Mad Man wrote:
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Take this back to your witch doctor, I'll take drugs to 'quiet the mind and pressure', suggest you do the same???
International Medical Review teams and Military Jimmy HAffas cousin, Bugzys cousin VIce PResident of USA did this technique for me in MEriter HOspital and St MArys in 1970s Madison WIsconsin to save my life. FOr helping them. Took out a bullet from my left side when I was 7 or 8 years old. Had to treat my gun shot skids from the neck under my left ear, my under arm and side, and the right foot between the toes, Snake bite victim trampled by moose and deer etc 2 brains and 3 hearts. They killed people in hosptials for interfereing and all got pictures of me dead Form one chamber to the other.

Problems; embesslements of VFW soldiers funds in Wisconsin again, NOTHING changes that means medical care disruptions and rtefusals, THEY DONT TREAT MILITARY B.S. THink your so bad come and get us, is the professionals mentality here still. Same ol shit differnt faces
VA Retiree

Chillicothe, OH

#19 Feb 15, 2014
There has been a bill proposed in the US House that would permit the Secretary to actually fire Senior Executive Service employees who screw up. Under the current rules, they cannot be fired, only reassigned someplace else, We have seen too many prime examples of the failure of SES employees that directly or indirectly caused the deaths of many veterans. Who was fired or even written up? NOBODY! Many just decided to retire and are now drawing a huge retirement check from their many years of six figure incomes.

Everybody needs to be responsible for their actions.
The Mad Man

Long Beach, CA

#20 Feb 20, 2014
VA Retiree wrote:
There has been a bill proposed in the US House that would permit the Secretary to actually fire Senior Executive Service employees who screw up. Under the current rules, they cannot be fired, only reassigned someplace else, We have seen too many prime examples of the failure of SES employees that directly or indirectly caused the deaths of many veterans. Who was fired or even written up? NOBODY! Many just decided to retire and are now drawing a huge retirement check from their many years of six figure incomes.
Everybody needs to be responsible for their actions.
Let's just HOPE we see this bill enacted in our lifetime!

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