Jodi Arias claims self-defense as mur...

Jodi Arias claims self-defense as murder trial begins

There are 7233 comments on the KTVK Phoenix story from Jan 2, 2013, titled Jodi Arias claims self-defense as murder trial begins. In it, KTVK Phoenix reports that:

A defense attorney says an Arizona woman charged with stabbing and shooting her boyfriend to death in 2008 acted in self-defense because he was violent and abusive.

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hybridlment

Louisville, KY

#1315 Mar 10, 2013
Jodi wasn't and still isn't Mormon. She jumped from one theory to another depending on the man she was with, always willing to adopt their tenets. This time the chasm was too wide and the bs was too deep. Without a doubt, the archaic controlling church and the judgmental friends contributed, BUT
Although Travis opened the dark door, she isn't allowed by law nor morals to walk through it. I'm not sure she was even driven by love at that point, but determination to win.
Like the Jodi who popped out in contempt and defiance of the State's questioning, hell bent to conquer, and then she crumbled completely - but rebounded to testify in the opposite direction of where her poor counsel was trying to lead her! I kept expecting Nurmi to just say "I give up" and exit the courtroom. She just can't stop herself; she's indeed interesting.
LA Guy

United States

#1316 Mar 10, 2013
RamblingRose253 wrote:
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Thank you for letting me know where you got the "like, raped you" statement. I have not heard or read all of the items in this case.
Arias seems the type to please everyone else even to her own detriment. That is why I think of her as naive. I can agree with you that there was likely sexual, emotional and psychological abuse in Alexander and Arias' relationship. It obviously escalated to physical abuse the night Alexander was murdered. It seems to me Arias was the abusive one that night since Alexander was stabbed, sliced and shot.
I believe Alexander and Arias' relationship was an unhealthy one (he being her spiritual or religious guide, she looking to please). I am eager to hear experts' testimony.
Here is a site that offers a quick analysis of the questions the jurors asked of Arias.
http://youcouldbewrong.wordpress.com/2013/03/...
Here is a list of most to least questioned topics from the jury:
What happened on June 4, 2008 (48 questions)
Relationship between Jodi Arias and Travis Alexander (25 questions)
Memory problems, shaking, etc.(24 questions)
Other relationships in Jodi Arias’ life (19 questions)
General (15 questions)
Telling the truth or lying (12 questions)
Gas (11 questions), Incidents of abuse testimony (11 questions)
Interviews (media, police)(9 questions), Religion/Philosophy (9 questions)
Guns (grandfather, Travis Alexander, etc.(8 questions)
“Documenting” abuse (7 questions)
Journals (6 questions), After June 4, 2008 (6 questions), Phone recording (6 questions)
License plate (3 questions)
Glasses/Vision (2 questions)
Blonde Hair (1 question)
TOTAL # OF QUESTIONS:(abt.) 213 questions
>>>>Also, there is a page on Facebook that has an analysis of all the question the jurors asked and Arias' answers.(You have to scroll to find the analyses part 1 thru 5.) https://www.facebook.com/Justice4Travis#_=_
I realize that you are well intentioned. The long litany (list) of JA's conduct is mostly irrelevant to her guilt, but most have a difficult time understanding this factor. In fact, odly so, they may bolster her defense. Will explain this further, if you wish. Let me know. Perhaps then you will re-think this as a Manslaughter case.
LA Guy

United States

#1317 Mar 10, 2013
RamblingRose253 wrote:
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I think of her as naive. I can agree with you that there was likely sexual, emotional and psychological abuse in Alexander and Arias' relationship. It obviously escalated to physical abuse the night Alexander was murdered. It seems to me Arias was the abusive one that night since Alexander was stabbed, sliced and shot.
You are contradicting yourself .. so she stabbed him out of the clear blue sky, btw, it was not Cancun .. think more along the lines of her being tied up

Trying to be of assistanance, since I know you are sincere.

LA Guy

Since: Mar 13

Location hidden

#1318 Mar 10, 2013
hybridlment wrote:
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It seems their sexual activity and frequency of it had less to do with enjoyment or romance, or even the physical act, than their odd personal makeup and agendas. All he spoke of sexually pertained to control, pain, selfishness, deception (of his religion). Her feigning enthusiasm for what he proposed in order to manipulate him. Her sexual activity with Burns was pure deception - the follow through of the trip she was using as a decoy from Mesa. She had to go, and she had to perform, to maintain alibi. And that's what Jodi does, she performs; every single action is calculated, giving her that blank affect and social strangeness.
Thank you for stating what has been ruminating in my mind about Alexander and Arias' sexual exploits having to do more with their personas. Granted we have not heard everything Alexander has voiced in regards to his sexual fantasies but from what we do know, it is as you state about control and pain. I wonder how much, if any, that has to do with his experiences growing up? I believe Arias just went along with whatever he wanted because of her low esteem and need of feeling loved or wanted.

The whole going to see Burns was, as you stated, for deception and alibi. That is why I think of her as cunning and manipulative. Her flat affect in regards to this case, I find very telling.
hybridlment

Louisville, KY

#1319 Mar 10, 2013
LA Guy wrote:
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You are contradicting yourself .. so she stabbed him out of the clear blue sky, btw, it was not Cancun .. think more along the lines of her being tied up
Trying to be of assistanance, since I know you are sincere.
LA Guy
If you were to guess, what would you suppose happened to trigger it? Considering it was after she was dressed and he was in the shower...could it have been in reaction to a particular physical act against her, and she held it in that long before acting on it?
Good Day

Lincoln, CA

#1320 Mar 10, 2013
Rambling Rose
Ok, I would appreciate an apology for the insults.:)
I wish you well.
LA Guy

United States

#1321 Mar 10, 2013
RamblingRose253 wrote:
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Here is a link for you (and others). A quick look at Arias' past boyfriends. It seems Arias suffered abuse not so much from her boyfriends but her family upbringing. However, I do not see it as a cause for the brutal slaughtering of Alexander. I think everyone can tell of a horror they experienced growing up but it is not carte blanche for someone to commit murder.
http://www.hlntv.com/video/2013/02/06/jodi-ar...
You have a good mind and insight, but ignore the abuse factor metted out by TA .. do you truly feel that JA was immune from it? Has reasonable doubt been raised in your opinion.
hybridlment

Louisville, KY

#1322 Mar 10, 2013
Rose...she IS cunning and manipulative, no doubt. But very bright people are always cunning and manipulative, just not always in a dark way. Their minds click quicker when trying to determine the route in or out and how to navigate it.
Attorneys are both cunning and manipulative.
Pyramid schemes are cunning and manipulative.
Churches are cunning and manipulative.
Jodi was, and so was Travis.
Any time there's something to gain, bright people will manipulate it to their advantage.

Since: Mar 13

Location hidden

#1323 Mar 10, 2013
Another Poster wrote:
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What Jodi did with Ryan Burns is not different to what Lisa did with Travis when they were dating, "they just kissed".
What come into question is the timing; Jodi went to Utah to visit him after she killed Travis,and, according to Ryan Burns, she was acting seemingly "normal". Ryan doesn't know her well enough to make that determination.
According to Jodi's testimony, after the murder took place, her mind was in a fog and she was functioning on autopilot (she was not acting on a conscious level).
Many people believe that she is lying but "there is always some truth in a lie". It is very possible that she was shocked when she realized what she had done and she subconsciously repressed the memories of what had happened.
Things would have been different if Jodi and Travis' relationship wouldn't have been engulfed in religious hypocrisy and twisted moral standards.
Travis and Lisa "just kissed" but Travis had not killed anyone before doing so. That is why I feel Arias' sexuality is looked upon as being more floozy (my term) than that of Alexander's. Ryan is a Mormon too is he not? Maybe he practiced the Law of Chastity better than Alexander.

I think when Ryan said Arias seemed "normal," he meant she did not act as if she had just killed someone. No nervousness or perhaps paranoia. You do not have to know someone well to notice if they are acting afraid or nervous.

Agree that "there is always some truth in a lie."

The possibility of Arias going in to the fog may be because of the horror she experienced in killing Alexander. That is quite plausible. Did she kill him in self defense? I think not, although we will never know what triggered her to kill him.(The slashing of Alexander's tires twice, as well as the woman he was seeing at the same time leads me to believe Arias was jealous.)

"Things would have been different if Jodi and Travis' relationship wouldn't have been engulfed in religious hypocrisy and twisted moral standards." No truer words were spoken.
Norman

Avondale, AZ

#1324 Mar 10, 2013
Fry the biotch
LA Guy

United States

#1325 Mar 10, 2013
RamblingRose253 wrote:
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Thank you for stating what has been ruminating in my mind about Alexander and Arias' sexual exploits having to do more with their personas. Granted we have not heard everything Alexander has voiced in regards to his sexual fantasies but from what we do know, it is as you state about control and pain. I wonder how much, if any, that has to do with his experiences growing up? I believe Arias just went along with whatever he wanted because of her low esteem and need of feeling loved or wanted.
You are making my case .. appeciate you re-thing this matter.
Keep an open mind and wait for the experts. Arizona has unwisely merged voluntary manslaughter into 2nd degree homicide. Not the case in Cal, who still defines these type of cases as voluntary manslaughter.

Not egven OJ was charged under the enhanced death penalty option.

Cal handles this is a more wise manner.

Since: Mar 13

Location hidden

#1326 Mar 10, 2013
hybridlment wrote:
Jodi testified that she continued her trip to visit Burns because she knew if she didn't it would implicate her since she was expected to be there. She called him and made up the lie that she'd been lost on the way, dumped the gun, called and left a voicemail for Travis - and all of this she testified that she did in an effort to cover up her involvement. She also said she knew he'd expect her to be somewhat romantic with him based on their prior conversations, and so she was.
Jodi calculates every move she makes, and she's pretty bright. The problem is, she thinks she's smarter than most of the population and she's just not.
There's nothing completely healthy about Jodi, nor was there about Travis and many of his associates. The combination was bound to implode.
"Jodi calculates every move she makes, and she's pretty bright." BINGO! She is not as smart as the thinks she is.

Ditto on the last part of your comment too. Alexander and Arias had their own issues, and together it was very bad.
LA Guy

United States

#1327 Mar 10, 2013
Good Day wrote:
Rambling Rose
Ok, I would appreciate an apology for the insults.:)
I wish you well.
Nice to see you back:)
hybridlment

Louisville, KY

#1328 Mar 10, 2013
RamblingRose253 wrote:
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"Jodi calculates every move she makes, and she's pretty bright." BINGO! She is not as smart as the thinks she is.
Ditto on the last part of your comment too. Alexander and Arias had their own issues, and together it was very bad.
Yes, when she attempted to represent herself in a DP first case, I knew she had a very distorted image of her intelligence. Her attempts to trap the State and second-guess the judge while ignoring her counsel's guidance sealed it for me.
Good Day

Lincoln, CA

#1329 Mar 10, 2013
Just an fyi to anyone who thinks I'm jumping to conclusions.
I have seen every day's trial video, heard the entire 1hour plus call, seen the texts that were admitted into evidence, and the emails. I wasn't supporting any "defense reasoning" prior to the trial. I have experience w/attorneys in my family, and I'm receptive to hearing legal opinions and facts, as they may apply.
LA Guy

United States

#1330 Mar 10, 2013
Rsmblin Rose

Serious question for you

How would handled a sexually aggressive kinky guy like Travis, in the event you had fallen in love with him? Perhaps you woukd have enjoyed it in the early fantasy stages. Most women do.
LA Guy

United States

#1331 Mar 10, 2013
Good Day wrote:
Just an fyi to anyone who thinks I'm jumping to conclusions.
I have seen every day's trial video, heard the entire 1hour plus call, seen the texts that were admitted into evidence, and the emails. I wasn't supporting any "defense reasoning" prior to the trial. I have experience w/attorneys in my family, and I'm receptive to hearing legal opinions and facts, as they may apply.
Luv my girl.

Since: Mar 13

Location hidden

#1332 Mar 10, 2013
Good Day wrote:
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She was in love w/him, spent some really good times w/him, from her side she was trying to please the man she wanted to be with... she wasn't in favor of friends w/benefits, but she was so entwined she resigned herself to it.
Am I the only one who can see the "life" in her when they had their first pic taken at PPl or in the waterfall, juxtaposed w/her timid pic in his bed in braids? She became a shadow of a woman.
Curious, if you were Mormon and your man wants to do what TA did for 2-3 hours, wouldn't you becomes resourceful? Good grief, Not for me, ever, but comfort is important. And, there isn't one text from him saying she was too demanding or making him feel guilty about what they were doing.
There is a video clip of them early on, and no doubt she was hooked, and why not? He was quite comfortable w/her head on his lap.... until he let his friends decide what he should do. He was immature, weak, a fool, and opened the dark door.
http://www.hlntv.com/video/2013/03/07/watch-f...
I do not know if Arias was "in love" with Alexander but she says she loved him and loves him still. When it comes to relationships, it is not a wise move to "resign" yourself because of what someone else wants.

What may or may not work for you does not mean it is the same way with another.

"He was immature, weak, a fool, and opened the dark door." Arias was just as immature, weak, and foolish. No one forced Arias to walk through that dark door. She did it on her own probably because she wanted to please him. Arias is a grown adult and made her own choices (some poor ones). I do not blame Alexander for the choices she made. She could have walked away but it was too hard for her and so it continued the toxicity in their relationship.
Good Day

Lincoln, CA

#1333 Mar 10, 2013
LA Guy wrote:
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Nice to see you back:)
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thank you:) You have the patience of Job.
Quite the dragon slayer, and so polite :) You certainly have a gift for calming storms. Did you see the video of TA & JA?

http://www.hlntv.com/video/2013/03/07/watch-f...
hybridlment

Louisville, KY

#1334 Mar 10, 2013
Good Day wrote:
Just an fyi to anyone who thinks I'm jumping to conclusions.
I have seen every day's trial video, heard the entire 1hour plus call, seen the texts that were admitted into evidence, and the emails. I wasn't supporting any "defense reasoning" prior to the trial. I have experience w/attorneys in my family, and I'm receptive to hearing legal opinions and facts, as they may apply.
Sorry you have attorneys in your family...overbearing, opinionated gnats, they are :)
If I'm on a particular side, whether by choice or necessity, I can make it work in my mind and stick to it. In this case, I've formed several different opinions and can't seem to settle on one. I appreciate your being open to discussion a lot - most sites are hate mobs for one or the other.

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