Jodi Arias claims self-defense as murder trial begins

There are 7233 comments on the KTVK Phoenix story from Jan 2, 2013, titled Jodi Arias claims self-defense as murder trial begins. In it, KTVK Phoenix reports that:

A defense attorney says an Arizona woman charged with stabbing and shooting her boyfriend to death in 2008 acted in self-defense because he was violent and abusive.

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LA Guy

Los Angeles, CA

#203 Feb 7, 2013
Pharmabill wrote:
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Fabrication and it was promoted by Travis.
Promoted by Travis, he must have thought that it was funny, enhancing his resume...he was also playing to his per group who had turned on her in a cruel sense, since at that point she had done nothing wrong...she did fit into to their cult like culture...she was the girl that the other guys deep down lusted over and of course the other women loved to hate on
LA Guy

Los Angeles, CA

#204 Feb 7, 2013
Pharmabill wrote:
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and yet she had several long term relationships. That seems to defy that she was socially inappropriate. If one ex bothered to come and give evidence for her then she obviously didn't annoy him.
Good point, she was certainly not socially inappropriate.
LA Guy

Los Angeles, CA

#205 Feb 7, 2013
LA Guy wrote:
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Promoted by Travis, he must have thought that it was funny, enhancing his resume...he was also playing to his per group who had turned on her in a cruel sense, since at that point she had done nothing wrong...she did fit into to their cult like culture...she was the girl that the other guys deep down lusted over and of course the other women loved to hate on
typo

she did Not fit into their cult like culture
Tom

Garfield, NJ

#206 Feb 7, 2013
I'd love to go down on her after a long day of her running and sweating.
TAU CETI e

Wichita, KS

#207 Feb 7, 2013
Elise wrote:
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Some of the weirdest freaks I've ever seen have had long term relationships! There's all kinds out there. I'm just saying everyone I know who met her said she was off! To me, that says a lot.
They were a clique that snubbed her. She obviously was crazy for this guy and did everything he wanted, trying to please him. He kept playing her and dumping her. Some girls just don't take that lying down.
TAU CETI e

Wichita, KS

#208 Feb 7, 2013
LA Guy wrote:
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Promoted by Travis, he must have thought that it was funny, enhancing his resume...he was also playing to his per group who had turned on her in a cruel sense, since at that point she had done nothing wrong...she did fit into to their cult like culture...she was the girl that the other guys deep down lusted over and of course the other women loved to hate on
Excellent observation. and there really is such a thing as "crime of passion" and temporary insanity.
LA Guy

Los Angeles, CA

#209 Feb 7, 2013
TAU CETI e wrote:
<quoted text>They were a clique that snubbed her. She obviously was crazy for this guy and did everything he wanted, trying to please him. He kept playing her and dumping her. Some girls just don't take that lying down.
Especially a Latina, who some have described as enigmatic
TAU CETI e

Wichita, KS

#210 Feb 7, 2013
LA Guy wrote:
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Especially a Latina, who some have described as enigmatic
I'm sure she felt awkward and out of place in the midst of a bunch of stuck-ups who were blatantly snubbing her. It's obvious why she would be socially clumbsy in that environment.
Elise

Honolulu, HI

#211 Feb 7, 2013
Ok, maybe I'm revealing too much here but this all seems ridiculous to me! And what's all this talk of "how he treated her"? He's a guy and she was putting out! There is something strangely conventional about the crowd analyzing his "behavior". She practically whispered that he came on her back because it was such a painful memory. And dear Lord, can I even repeat it?.... He.....well, he....bent her over! There I said it and now I feel dirty! I've never heard of such acts! And then he had the audacity to not take her as a wife! He absolutely deserved to have his throat slashes from ear to ear!
Elise

Honolulu, HI

#212 Feb 7, 2013
Slashed! Damn almost got through a whole post for once without typos! Oh well, I'll just add that I don't care how she acts now about what they did, meaning all that degrading sex. She liked it! She liked it a lot!! She liked it so much she couldn't stand the thought of him doing it to anyone else!! And THAT is the truth behind why she killed him!
TAU CETI e

Wichita, KS

#213 Feb 7, 2013
Elise wrote:
Slashed! Damn almost got through a whole post for once without typos! Oh well, I'll just add that I don't care how she acts now about what they did, meaning all that degrading sex. She liked it! She liked it a lot!! She liked it so much she couldn't stand the thought of him doing it to anyone else!! And THAT is the truth behind why she killed him!
Wow! You're just oozing compassion from every pore, are'nt you? Ever occur to you he may have been promising to commit to her, as in, "do this one more thing for me and you're my girl."? She obviously went all out to win him over and he threw her away like a candy wrapper. I suppose doing the3 right thing is so last week in your zip code but he should not have led her on if he was'nt for real and don't try to say he did'nt know she was playing for keeps.
Another Poster

Chicago, IL

#214 Feb 7, 2013
Elise wrote:
Slashed! Damn almost got through a whole post for once without typos! Oh well, I'll just add that I don't care how she acts now about what they did, meaning all that degrading sex. She liked it! She liked it a lot!! She liked it so much she couldn't stand the thought of him doing it to anyone else!! And THAT is the truth behind why she killed him!
Actually, no one knows why Jodi killed him. The prosecutor has a theory, a plausible scenario of what might have occurred but he doesn't know exactly what transpired between Jodi and Travis the day of the murder, There are not eyewitnesses to the event, so the case is highly circumstantial in spite of the fact that Jodi admitted to killing Travis. She is claiming self defense.

Premeditated murder and felony murder are both alternative theories to prove first degree murder. The prosecutor theory is that Jodi went to Travis house with the intent to kill him, that she was enraged because he was going to Acapulco with another woman, and that the killing was an act of revenge. The burden of proof is on the prosecutor, he has to prove (beyond reasonable doubt) that the murder was premeditated and that Jodi didn't kill Travis in self defense.
Elise

Honolulu, HI

#215 Feb 7, 2013
TAU CETI e wrote:
<quoted text>Wow! You're just oozing compassion from every pore, are'nt you? Ever occur to you he may have been promising to commit to her, as in, "do this one more thing for me and you're my girl."? She obviously went all out to win him over and he threw her away like a candy wrapper. I suppose doing the3 right thing is so last week in your zip code but he should not have led her on if he was'nt for real and don't try to say he did'nt know she was playing for keeps.
Compassion for Jodi? Nope, don't have any!
Another Poster

Chicago, IL

#216 Feb 7, 2013
Cancun....not Acapulco.
TAU CETI e

Wichita, KS

#217 Feb 7, 2013
Another Poster wrote:
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Actually, no one knows why Jodi killed him. The prosecutor has a theory, a plausible scenario of what might have occurred but he doesn't know exactly what transpired between Jodi and Travis the day of the murder, There are not eyewitnesses to the event, so the case is highly circumstantial in spite of the fact that Jodi admitted to killing Travis. She is claiming self defense.
Premeditated murder and felony murder are both alternative theories to prove first degree murder. The prosecutor theory is that Jodi went to Travis house with the intent to kill him, that she was enraged because he was going to Acapulco with another woman, and that the killing was an act of revenge. The burden of proof is on the prosecutor, he has to prove (beyond reasonable doubt) that the murder was premeditated and that Jodi didn't kill Travis in self defense.
It smacks of a crime of passion from end to end. Something triggered into a spontaneous homicidal rage. She would'nt have premeditated such a sloppy execution with any reasonable expectation of getting away with it. At the moment she killed him she was so enraged that she did'nt care if she went to the gallows. she'd have probably been glad to douse herself and him in gasoline and strike a match. The ferocity of that attack speaks for itself. The prosecutor has her over-charged, same blunder that the prosecutor did with Casey Anthony.
TAU CETI e

Wichita, KS

#218 Feb 7, 2013
Elise wrote:
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Compassion for Jodi? Nope, don't have any!
Well plenty of people do. BTW, why does it condemn her that she had a robust libido? She was having sex with the guy she was head-over-heels crazy over, so, the grownups presume she enjoyed it. Her testimony was to the fact that he pressed her to do things beyond what she enjoyed. Everybody has their likes and dislikes, in her case, she endured the "dislikes" for his sake.
LA Guy

Los Angeles, CA

#219 Feb 7, 2013
Another Poster wrote:
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Actually, no one knows why Jodi killed him. The prosecutor has a theory, a plausible scenario of what might have occurred but he doesn't know exactly what transpired between Jodi and Travis the day of the murder, There are not eyewitnesses to the event, so the case is highly circumstantial in spite of the fact that Jodi admitted to killing Travis. She is claiming self defense.
Premeditated murder and felony murder are both alternative theories to prove first degree murder. The prosecutor theory is that Jodi went to Travis house with the intent to kill him, that she was enraged because he was going to Acapulco with another woman, and that the killing was an act of revenge. The burden of proof is on the prosecutor, he has to prove (beyond reasonable doubt) that the murder was premeditated and that Jodi didn't kill Travis in self defense.
Few civilian understand these concepts .. in Arizona, burden is on the people to prove she did not act in self defense .. oh, it will be argued and jury instructions given, but wtf, they may not even understand it

Nancy Grace never really tried a murder case .. She keeps opining on the time frame on premeditation, going to the far abstract pole that it can occur within a few minutes...lol...won't fly in this case
LA Guy

Los Angeles, CA

#220 Feb 7, 2013
TAU CETI e wrote:
<quoted text>Well plenty of people do. BTW, why does it condemn her that she had a robust libido? She was having sex with the guy she was head-over-heels crazy over, so, the grownups presume she enjoyed it. Her testimony was to the fact that he pressed her to do things beyond what she enjoyed. Everybody has their likes and dislikes, in her case, she endured the "dislikes" for his sake.
The kink factor always present, some pleasure with discormfort and being the sub
Elise

Honolulu, HI

#221 Feb 7, 2013
TAU CETI e wrote:
<quoted text>Well plenty of people do. BTW, why does it condemn her that she had a robust libido? She was having sex with the guy she was head-over-heels crazy over, so, the grownups presume she enjoyed it. Her testimony was to the fact that he pressed her to do things beyond what she enjoyed. Everybody has their likes and dislikes, in her case, she endured the "dislikes" for his sake.
I don't think she disliked it. She's grasping at straws because she has nothing else. I'm not condemning her for her libido, I'm condemning her for making it sound like she was a timid used little girl who didn't know how to say "no".
TAU CETI e

Wichita, KS

#222 Feb 7, 2013
Elise wrote:
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I don't think she disliked it. She's grasping at straws because she has nothing else. I'm not condemning her for her libido, I'm condemning her for making it sound like she was a timid used little girl who didn't know how to say "no".
If you were in her place you'd make the best defense you could, our system allows for that and for good reason.

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