Angela Merkel's Delicate Balancing Act

Angela Merkel's Delicate Balancing Act

There are 331 comments on the Bread and circuses story from May 12, 2012, titled Angela Merkel's Delicate Balancing Act. In it, Bread and circuses reports that:

The day after the presidential election victory of FranI ois Hollande in France, the front page of a leading German tabloid warned: "Good morning Chancellor.

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Anonymous

Rotherham, UK

#41 May 16, 2012
Nick the Greek wrote:
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The French are not known for their domineering qualities...are they ???
Germanic arrogance has reared it's ugly head once more...they indirectly consider the Southern-European element to be somewhat lesser than the Northern one.
Like the Greco-Romans ruled over Europe, operating on an East - West axis...the EU [modern Roman-Empire] today, needs to operate on a North - South axis, on the basis of Germanic perceptions to do with work ethics, and other Nordic stuff!
I say again: Germanics deserve a Nordic Union of their own!
I don't know what you mean, nordics are not germanic. They are norse vikings,
Anonymous

Rotherham, UK

#42 May 16, 2012
Don't forget Europe had to be saved by britain twice when the French napoleon tried to conquer Europe, thankfully the British defeated him and freed Europe. Also don't forget French empire, it wasent just britain, France had empire too but smaller. There mire than capable of dominating a mediteranian union and I think they would
Valid points

Germany

#43 May 16, 2012
What are you talking about Nick? There is no Euro country that wants to abandon the Euro or do an own trade zone. The only country that is in danger of doing so is Greece because of the outcome of its elections. You need to be responsible for yourself although you are in the Euro zone. Don't blame others for your misery. And be aware that it's Greeks who vote for their future. It's always very easy to blame others. Usually it's the US in world politics. In European politics it's Germany. It's so easy, right? I laugh at you and your attitude. Everybody is where he is because He decided to be there. Don't let your ego be to big. It won't help
Anonymous

Rotherham, UK

#44 May 16, 2012
Also Scandinavian countrys would never join a union, they Luke there independence, Norway isant even in eu
Nick the Greek

Cambridge, UK

#45 May 17, 2012
Valid points wrote:
What are you talking about Nick?
1...There is no Euro country that wants to abandon the Euro or do an own trade zone.

2...The only country that is in danger of doing so is Greece because of the outcome of its elections.

3...You need to be responsible for yourself although you are in the Euro zone. Don't blame others for your misery.

4...And be aware that it's Greeks who vote for their future. It's always very easy to blame others. Usually it's the US in world politics. In European politics it's Germany. It's so easy, right?

5...I laugh at you and your attitude. Everybody is where he is because He decided to be there. Don't let your ego be to big. It won't help
1...You are right!

2...Also, because of the actions and indecisions of the Merkel government, which had adverse affects on the Greek economy. Remember, the focus of global attention on Greece emanated from Germany Media outlets first and England second.

3...Responsibility is bi-directional in this case. Greece, one of the weak economies of the EU, was made weaker thanks to Germanic fiscal and monetary indecsions. German fixation with pointing the finger at Greeces corrupt politicians led to the ratings agencies and banking fraternities going for the Greek jugular.

4...I blame Germanic [Merkel] mishandling of the situation, from the beginning till now. Ironic...Merkel having to take actions that she should have taken from the very beginning but didn't, on the basis it kept the spotlight on Greece which indirectly benefitted German exports.

5...I laugh at Germanic inability to run [bankroll] the EU Empire.
Greeks are nothing in Germanic eyes...Southern and lazy, according to the Nordic Germanic point of view, but alot of what the Greeks were saying early on, shall haunt Merkel for some time to come.

Germany put Greece in it's place...but what did Merkel achieve ultimately ???
Nick the Greek

Cambridge, UK

#46 May 17, 2012
straa wrote:
Don't forget Europe had to be saved by britain twice when the French napoleon tried to conquer Europe, thankfully the British defeated him and freed Europe. Also don't forget French empire, it wasent just britain, France had empire too but smaller. There mire than capable of dominating a mediteranian union and I think they would
Something which the English find impossible to understand is the fraternity most Europeans feel towards moulding a Europe governed on Ideals and core values whos beginnings could be traced back to classical Athens and Rome.

That Germanic mind architects consider themselves equals to the Greco-Romans in their leadership qualities, can be witnessed in their decision making processes.
Anonymous

Rotherham, UK

#47 May 17, 2012
Nick the Greek wrote:
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Something which the English find impossible to understand is the fraternity most Europeans feel towards moulding a Europe governed on Ideals and core values whos beginnings could be traced back to classical Athens and Rome.
That Germanic mind architects consider themselves equals to the Greco-Romans in their leadership qualities, can be witnessed in their decision making processes.
The germanics are no where near to achieving or matching the great Greeks and Romans. There a new nation, they don't have any history and are to inexperienced to keep a union together. If they think there on the same level as Greece or Rome there deluding themselves. Only britain has achieved that kind of empire and industrial scientific success. Germany are a long way behind
Anonymous

Rotherham, UK

#48 May 17, 2012
Greece and Rome created the ancient world. Britain and its industrial revolution created the modern world. Germany have never done anything to match us and you can see by there mistakes they are not capable of keeping a union together
peter tucker

Haslett, MI

#49 May 17, 2012
Why don't you take a f break from this obession. Boil some tea. Look at the rain. Google proper noun
Valid points

Germany

#50 May 17, 2012
Nick the Greek wrote:
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1...You are right!
2...Also, because of the actions and indecisions of the Merkel government, which had adverse affects on the Greek economy. Remember, the focus of global attention on Greece emanated from Germany Media outlets first and England second.
3...Responsibility is bi-directional in this case. Greece, one of the weak economies of the EU, was made weaker thanks to Germanic fiscal and monetary indecsions. German fixation with pointing the finger at Greeces corrupt politicians led to the ratings agencies and banking fraternities going for the Greek jugular.
4...I blame Germanic [Merkel] mishandling of the situation, from the beginning till now. Ironic...Merkel having to take actions that she should have taken from the very beginning but didn't, on the basis it kept the spotlight on Greece which indirectly benefitted German exports.
5...I laugh at Germanic inability to run [bankroll] the EU Empire.
Greeks are nothing in Germanic eyes...Southern and lazy, according to the Nordic Germanic point of view, but alot of what the Greeks were saying early on, shall haunt Merkel for some time to come.
Germany put Greece in it's place...but what did Merkel achieve ultimately ???
You're right about the media that has made the situation very difficult but free press and media especially yellow press don't know mercy.

Merkel cannot do whatever she wants and as fast as possible for 3 reasons:
1. Euro Zone countries have to decide accordingly and ask their parliaments
2. Merkel has to ask her parliament
3. Greek government also has to confirm and they took very long all the time

The fastet Greece realises that things have to change and stops to blame others the faster you will get out of the crises. Germany made structural reforms about 10 years ago (higher retiring ages, cuts in social spending, etc) which is according to economists the reason for todays low unemployment and growth. Greece needs to do its reforms too and make its economy competitive again. The coming elections will be the most Important for Greece in modern history. I still hope it'll become better again but I don't believe so as long as Greeks refuse reality
Nick the Greek

Cambridge, UK

#51 May 17, 2012
Valid points wrote:
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1...The fastet Greece realises that things have to change and stops to blame others the faster you will get out of the crises.

2...Germany made structural reforms about 10 years ago (higher retiring ages, cuts in social spending, etc) which is according to economists the reason for todays low unemployment and growth.

3...Greece needs to do its reforms too and make its economy competitive again. The coming elections will be the most Important for Greece in modern history. I still hope it'll become better again but I don't believe so as long as Greeks refuse reality
1...Ofcourse, things have to change! There are options though, and according to these options shall determine whether Merkel aka the German government really did it's best for Greece.

2...Germany is an Industrialized gargantuan of a country, and all those countries close to it benefit from that closeness...Greece is miles away from that closeness, therefore Greece does not benefit being on the periphery of Europe.

3...So, it's about competitiveness is it ???
For Greece to be competitive, it has to slide down to it's neighbours levels, and that is where Germany sees Greece...as just another Balkan gypsy country that does not warrant Germanic investment because Germans can build factories cheaper elsewhere form Greece. Greeks could never achieve the competitiveness, or should I say the cheapness of the Balkan countries that surround it, but that does not make Greeks lazy Southern-Europeans, for Greeks are still good at making money and that is what it is all about.

That the rich Greeks were targetted on German insistance for their Taxes, made them leave Greece for Germany and England, they took their riches out of Greek banks and installed their moneys into Germanic and English banks...this is just one example of poor Germanic judgment. German arrogance made Greece take actions which were self defeating for Greeks but beneficial for Germans and Anglo-Saxons!
Nick the Greek

Cambridge, UK

#52 May 17, 2012
straa wrote:
<quoted text>
The germanics are no where near to achieving or matching the great Greeks and Romans. There a new nation, they don't have any history and are to inexperienced to keep a union together. If they think there on the same level as Greece or Rome there deluding themselves. Only britain has achieved that kind of empire and industrial scientific success. Germany are a long way behind
Wasn't it the English themselves who said, the English are the equivalent of the Greeks in the latin-Roman Empire...substitute the latin-Roman Empire for the American Empire, and the English sit nicely in there as the equivalents of the ancient-Greeks in Romes Empire.

What you said about Germans and Germany I fully agree with!
peter tucker

Lansing, MI

#53 May 17, 2012
Give it a goddamn rest and put the hard rod you have about the right/wrong of EU in your pants. Proximity(geographically) has nothing(0) to do with world ecomomies/trade. That is what called world economy!! Think I had an olive from Greece yesterday, produce from Mexico, and you are talking on an IPhone made in China. Days of wagon train and blocks of ice to save the meat as "white man" travels the seas are over. Get with it
Anonymous

Rotherham, UK

#54 May 17, 2012
Nick the Greek wrote:
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Wasn't it the English themselves who said, the English are the equivalent of the Greeks in the latin-Roman Empire...substitute the latin-Roman Empire for the American Empire, and the English sit nicely in there as the equivalents of the ancient-Greeks in Romes Empire.
What you said about Germans and Germany I fully agree with!
Yes that's true but it was the Greeks that started first then were replaced by Rome the same as the British empire replaced by USA
Nick the Greek

Cambridge, UK

#55 May 17, 2012
peter tucker wrote:
Give it a goddamn rest and put the hard rod you have about the right/wrong of EU in your pants. Proximity(geographically) has nothing(0) to do with world ecomomies/trade. That is what called world economy!! Think I had an olive from Greece yesterday, produce from Mexico, and you are talking on an IPhone made in China. Days of wagon train and blocks of ice to save the meat as "white man" travels the seas are over. Get with it
Being in close proximity to Germany...hard-wired into the infrastructure like the Benelux countrys gives them a benefit, a dividend peripheral countrys do not enjoy or have access to.

Germans are good at spending 8 - 10 hours per day pressing buttons and pushing levers...Greeks are not as good as the Germans doing this, but Greeks are natural entrepreneurs though. This enterprising group were targetted, driven out of Greece on the insistance of the Germans!
peter tucker

Lansing, MI

#56 May 17, 2012
Huh? Bring back Churchill
Valid points

Germany

#57 May 17, 2012
So let me summarize:
- Since Greeks are not located next to Germany, Germans have to take care that Greeks are still paid higher amounts than they actually can afford to be paid?
- Greece has an ancient right to be provided higher living standards than the neighboring countries

Look market economies don't work like that. You really need to understand economics. You need to produce goods, services, etc
You only do so if your own goods and services are less expensive than if you buy them on the world market. Since Greeks are given more money than they could afford to have, they buy products instead of producing them. Also the government could support certain techonologies or improvements.

1. Understand how economies work (government)
2. Set the political and legal framework to be successful
Anonymous

Rotherham, UK

#58 May 17, 2012
peter tucker wrote:
Huh? Bring back Churchill
WHAT HAS THE EUROPEAN union got to Do with you, why do you care. You should be more worried that American power is dissapearing and China are replacing you, Europeans will worry about Europe, because the thing is European people do not want a united states of Europe so it will not happen
Valid points

Germany

#59 May 17, 2012
The German government tried to help Greece in rationalizing the public sector (same was done in Germany years ago, nothing to be angry about). Also Germany suggested that Greece could become an important energy supplier and Europes no. 1 exploiter of solar energy.

All German suggestions were turned down as too much involvement in inner Greek Business. The only thing the Greek governmet takes from Germany is money. And Germans are not willing to pay even more than today while nothing changes in Greece (no structural changes, reforms or anything to get out of the misery). There is only a discussion about Glamour others and pointing fingers. It's disgusting
Anonymous

Rotherham, UK

#60 May 17, 2012
Nick the Greek wrote:
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Being in close proximity to Germany...hard-wired into the infrastructure like the Benelux countrys gives them a benefit, a dividend peripheral countrys do not enjoy or have access to.
Germans are good at spending 8 - 10 hours per day pressing buttons and pushing levers...Greeks are not as good as the Germans doing this, but Greeks are natural entrepreneurs though. This enterprising group were targetted, driven out of Greece on the insistance of the Germans!
Being next to Germany has nothing to do with it otherwise Poland would be rich. Northern Europeans just have a different culture, Belgium have economy like all bitterness Europeans Holland, France, britain and even further away scandanavia. It's a different culture to southern Europe. Germany have been late to modernise, they eventually learned from UK,France, ans Holland and now they have the biggest economy in Europe and even I admit they have very good economy and southern Europe is living off German money, but Germany benefit from that with there exports

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