Veganism - doing the right thing

Veganism - doing the right thing

There are 978 comments on the www.jpost.com story from Jul 7, 2011, titled Veganism - doing the right thing . In it, www.jpost.com reports that:

Vegans are people who take vegetarianism a step further. Not only do they eschew all meat, poultry and fish, but they also won’t touch eggs or any kind of dairy produce.

Join the discussion below, or Read more at www.jpost.com.

hunters are COWARDS

Virginia Beach, VA

#353 Jun 23, 2012
AND:

"According to Dr. Kristie Leong,”One of the reasons for a lack of focus on nutrition in the training of doctors is that physicians are primarily trained to treat disease using conventional methods which generally involves the use of antibiotics and drugs. Drugs and antibiotics are a “quick fix” that gives both the patient and doctor the immediate gratification they’re looking for, although in some cases these medications can do significant harm in the process. Doctors feel most comfortable when they can see immediate improvement in a patient’s condition and may feel inadequate when they can’t achieve a fast cure. Plus, the lack of in-depth knowledge and training in the principles of nutrition are a limiting factor for some doctors.”
“What about the role of healing and nutrition in disease prevention? This is where nutrition can have its strongest impact. Numerous studies have shown the benefits of pursuing a healthy diet for weight control and disease prevention. So, why do so few doctors discuss a patient’s diet with them? Again, this goes back to lack of knowledge and training as well as the time pressure of needing to see patients quickly. In the best case scenario, the patient will be referred to a nutritionist for nutritional counseling or diet and nutrition will only be mentioned briefly in passing.”
Again, the basic reason why doctors do not know as much about nutrition as they did in the 1930′s and 1940′s is because they study very little about the subject in school. This is largely because the curriculum is heavily influenced by the food and drug industries.
“In medical school I had not received any significant instruction on the subject. I was not alone. Only approximately 6 percent of the graduating physicians in the United States have any training in nutrition. Medical students may take elective courses on the topic, but few actually do… the education of most physicians is disease-oriented with a heavy emphasis on pharmaceuticals — we learn about drugs and why and when to use them.”- Ray D. Strand, MD, the author of Death By Prescription"

http://curtisnutrition.com/articles/how-much-...

Since: Dec 06

Lowell, MA

#354 Jun 23, 2012
hunters are COWARDS wrote:
AND:
"According to Dr. Kristie Leong,”One of the reasons for a lack of focus on nutrition in the training of doctors is that physicians are primarily trained to treat disease using conventional methods which generally involves the use of antibiotics and drugs. Drugs and antibiotics are a “quick fix” that gives both the patient and doctor the immediate gratification they’re looking for, although in some cases these medications can do significant harm in the process. Doctors feel most comfortable when they can see immediate improvement in a patient’s condition and may feel inadequate when they can’t achieve a fast cure. Plus, the lack of in-depth knowledge and training in the principles of nutrition are a limiting factor for some doctors.”
“What about the role of healing and nutrition in disease prevention? This is where nutrition can have its strongest impact. Numerous studies have shown the benefits of pursuing a healthy diet for weight control and disease prevention. So, why do so few doctors discuss a patient’s diet with them? Again, this goes back to lack of knowledge and training as well as the time pressure of needing to see patients quickly. In the best case scenario, the patient will be referred to a nutritionist for nutritional counseling or diet and nutrition will only be mentioned briefly in passing.”
Again, the basic reason why doctors do not know as much about nutrition as they did in the 1930′s and 1940′s is because they study very little about the subject in school. This is largely because the curriculum is heavily influenced by the food and drug industries.
“In medical school I had not received any significant instruction on the subject. I was not alone. Only approximately 6 percent of the graduating physicians in the United States have any training in nutrition. Medical students may take elective courses on the topic, but few actually do… the education of most physicians is disease-oriented with a heavy emphasis on pharmaceuticals — we learn about drugs and why and when to use them.”- Ray D. Strand, MD, the author of Death By Prescription"
http://curtisnutrition.com/articles/how-much-...
You sure look to google for your information? Why don't you google vegan diet children and problems and let me know if anything comes up? Seriously. I am curious.

I guess two can play at your game of cut and paste - I hardly believe your excerpt is talking about this program that I was referring to:

The Growth and Nutrition Program at Boston Children's Hospital is a multidisciplinary program, which includes doctors, nurses, dietitians, a social worker, behavioral specialists, and speech (feeding) therapists. If your baby or child under the age of 6 has problems with feeding or weight gain, we can help you and your pediatrician by doing a full assessment and providing specific recommendations.

Our expertise

Established in 1984, the Growth and Nutrition Program at Children's was one of the first multidisciplinary team programs in the country specifically devoted to feeding and weight problems in early childhood. Our specialists include providers with special training in:

Gastroenterology
General Pediatrics
Developmental Medicine
Behavioral Psychology
Speech and Feeding Therapy
Early childhood nutrition

“HUNTING RIGHTS ADVOCATE”

Since: Oct 08

Boggy Creek

#355 Jun 23, 2012
hunters are COWARDS wrote:
<quoted text>Wrong. I did NOT divert from anything because your example was absurd, and I addressed the topic perfectly well SEVERAL times. When your "choices" are causing the pain, suffering and deaths of other beings I will ALWAYS speak out against it. When anyone's choices are also over using resources, polluting the water, soil and air that we ALL share, I will speak out against it for as long as I live.
YES, veganism IS the answer to reducing/ending senseless animal suffering and deaths. It is the answer to helping to clean up our Earth and it is the answer to greatly reducing the risks of SEVERAL diseases---heart disease is the NUMBER ONE cause of death in the U.S. and it's not being caused by eating a well balanced plant based diet. Plain and simple.
So, if you could, you would deny others the freedom to choose differently?

Since: Jan 08

Location hidden

#356 Jun 23, 2012
Christmas Hunter wrote:
<quoted text>"undo the tampering with our DNA"?
When do you believe this "tampering" began?
During the time of Noah.
hunters are COWARDS

Virginia Beach, VA

#357 Jun 23, 2012
fungirlinluv wrote:
<quoted text>
You sure look to google for your information? Why don't you google vegan diet children and problems and let me know if anything comes up? Seriously. I am curious.
I guess two can play at your game of cut and paste - I hardly believe your excerpt is talking about this program that I was referring to:
The Growth and Nutrition Program at Boston Children's Hospital is a multidisciplinary program, which includes doctors, nurses, dietitians, a social worker, behavioral specialists, and speech (feeding) therapists. If your baby or child under the age of 6 has problems with feeding or weight gain, we can help you and your pediatrician by doing a full assessment and providing specific recommendations.
Our expertise
Established in 1984, the Growth and Nutrition Program at Children's was one of the first multidisciplinary team programs in the country specifically devoted to feeding and weight problems in early childhood. Our specialists include providers with special training in:
Gastroenterology
General Pediatrics
Developmental Medicine
Behavioral Psychology
Speech and Feeding Therapy
Early childhood nutrition
No, honey, it seems that you don't know how to google for correct information. It's always amusing to encounter people like you who know NOTHING about being vegan yet you try to act like you are a qualified nutritionist who knows all about it.
You are posting on a thread that pertains to an article written by a MEAT EATING Mom who is not only condoning a plant based diet, but she is recommending it. Meanwhile you and other anti vegans here who have no knowledge and no experience seem to think you can persuade others to think that avoiding the consumption of decomposing corpse pieces, lactate secretions and basically 'periods'(eggs), are missing out on what YOU deem proper nutrition?? Ludicrous.

What's your purpose here? To try and prove ME wrong even though I have been thriving healthfully for over 25 years as a vegan?? Are you here to negate the experts and the American Dietetic Association for not only condoning a plant based diet but also stating that "The results of an evidence-based review showed that a vegetarian diet is associated with a lower risk of death from ischemic heart disease. Vegetarians also appear to have lower low-density lipoprotein cholesterol levels, lower blood pressure, and lower rates of hypertension and type 2 diabetes than nonvegetarians. Furthermore, vegetarians tend to have a lower body mass index and lower overall cancer rates." ???

You sought out an article that praises a plant based diet and it apparently angers you. You ought to address why this bothers you so much...it might have something to do with your diet...just sayin'...
The Advocate

Mexico, Mexico

#358 Jun 23, 2012
UAAF wrote:
Veganism is the way to go. Very healthy and great for the environment.
Going vegan is the best decision i've ever made. My energy levels are great and im very healthy.
A well balanced vegan diet is very healthy and more and more people are starting to follow it each day. I've spoken to many people this year that have went vegan.
Following a meat diet is very unhealthy and also bad for the environment. Meat consumption has killed millions of people and millions more will die in the coming years.
Following a vegan diet will reduce the demand for meat which will mean less animals bred for slaughter which means you're saving the lives of many animals and you're also helping save the enviroment.
The vegan diet is truly amazing :)
I respect your motives for becoming a vegan, but I think it's a lot easier to get all your nutrients from animal based products. The trick is not to eschew them completely but to eat smaller portions of them and balance them with fruits and vegetables.

I think it's fallacious to assume that meat consumption has killed people. There are no sources to this claim backing it up. The problem is a bad diet. That includes high fat, high carb, high starch diets. And I think you will find an unhealthy person more likely to chow down on sweets, breads and pizzas than a chicken breast.

It is possible to eat cruelty free animal products. The key is to buy local, organic products rather than the factory produced stuff you see in the supermarket. Small kosher and halal eateries supply cruelty free meat, and your local butcher can also supply pasture raised animals.

However, if you are dead set on veganism, then I respect that. You are entitled to the lifestyle that you wish.
_Miss.Fit_

Elizabethtown, KY

#359 Jun 23, 2012
hunters are COWARDS wrote:
<quoted text>"honey" you need to look up the meaning of condescending or just look in a mirror.

The fact that you STILL don't comprehend how ludicrous your attempt to equate humans to OBLIGATE CARNIVORES only tells me that conversing with you is like talking to a wall. You clearly know NOTHING about nutrition or of being vegan.
If you are "shocked" that a pediatrician would endorse a vegan diet for a child then you have been living under a rock. Obviously YOU know nothing about nutrition and how children can thrive healthfully on a well balanced plant based (corpse-free/secretion-free diet).

http://www.keepkidshealthy.com/welcome/treatm...
http://www.veganhealth.org/articles/realvegan...
' These comments are the opinions of the author and have not been confirmed by medical or scientific studies. The purpose of this article is more to teach parents on how to safely raise a child as a vegan and not to convert all parents to this type of diet.

Since: Jan 08

Location hidden

#360 Jun 23, 2012
STEPHMAR wrote:
<quoted text>During the time of Noah.
Read," The Book of Enoch."
hunters are COWARDS

Virginia Beach, VA

#361 Jun 23, 2012
[QUOTE who="_Miss.Fit_"] <quoted text>
' These comments are the opinions of the author and have not been confirmed by medical or scientific studies. The purpose of this article is more to teach parents on how to safely raise a child as a vegan and not to convert all parents to this type of diet.[/QUOTE]So??? You're just another completely uninformed anti vegan who can't stand when anyone promotes a diet free of decomposing corpses, lactate secretions and 'periods'/eggs. Not ONE of you can refute anything about being vegan because you know NOTHING about it besides the fact it proves that humans do NOT need to eat animals.
It wouldn't matter what any VEGAN posted here. If we give our opinions and firsthand experience you say that's not good enough and you want more. If we post VALID information from other sites, that's not good enough for you because face it, your ONLY concern is to feel better about your choices and vegans make it impossible for you to justify your desire to eat animal corpses and their secretions.

The FACT remains that humans can, and DO, thrive healthfully on a plant based diet and THAT is what this is about. Get over your hangups and denial because nothing you say will ever change the facts.
hunters are COWARDS

Virginia Beach, VA

#362 Jun 23, 2012
The Advocate wrote:

It is possible to eat cruelty free animal products. The key is to buy local, organic products rather than the factory produced stuff you see in the supermarket. Small kosher and halal eateries supply cruelty free meat, and your local butcher can also supply pasture raised animals.
Wrong. There is NOTHING "cruelty free" in slitting the throats of animals. Also, you obviously know nothing about halal slaughter

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/2977086.stm

http://www.alarabiya.net/articles/2012/03/25/...

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2010/...
hunters are COWARDS

Virginia Beach, VA

#363 Jun 23, 2012
There is NOTHING cruelty free in slaughtering ANY being:

http://www.animalaid.org.uk/h/n/CAMPAIGNS/sla...

http://www.humanemyth.org
Hungry Chuck Biscuits

San Antonio, TX

#364 Jun 23, 2012
All of this talk of real food just caused me to order DOUBLE Italian sausage on my pizza!

Since: Apr 12

Location hidden

#365 Jun 23, 2012
Squach wrote:
Here's an open question for all vegans. Have any of you considered the possibility that veganism, while you feel it is the "right thing" for you may not be the "right thing" for everyone? I'd be interested in some honest and intelligent answers.
a humane, compassionate and cruelty-free diet is the only right thing to do.

http://youtu.be/9te_BIBbniY

Since: Apr 12

Location hidden

#366 Jun 23, 2012
The Advocate wrote:
<quoted text>
I respect your motives for becoming a vegan, but I think it's a lot easier to get all your nutrients from animal based products.
basic nutritional fallacy. eating the flesh of sadistically tortured and brutally killed peaceful sentient beings is not only cruel and inhumane, it is unnecessary and unhealthy.
The Advocate

Mexico, Mexico

#367 Jun 23, 2012
hunters are COWARDS wrote:
There is NOTHING cruelty free in slaughtering ANY being:
http://www.animalaid.org.uk/h/n/CAMPAIGNS/sla...
http://www.humanemyth.org
Well, your lettuce died so you could eat it. Technically, it was slaughtered too.
hunters are COWARDS

Virginia Beach, VA

#368 Jun 23, 2012
The Advocate wrote:
<quoted text>
Well, your lettuce died so you could eat it. Technically, it was slaughtered too.
You're an i d i o t.
The Advocate

Mexico, Mexico

#369 Jun 23, 2012
hunters are COWARDS wrote:
<quoted text>Wrong. There is NOTHING "cruelty free" in slitting the throats of animals. Also, you obviously know nothing about halal slaughter
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/2977086.stm
http://www.alarabiya.net/articles/2012/03/25/...
http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2010/...
Done correctly, kosher and halal are quite humane. I am speaking from experience, as I have visited kosher abattoirs here in Mexico and have spoken with rabbis and shochets. Even Temple Grandin has stated that with proper restraints and tools, kosher and halal slaughter methods are humane.

http://oukosher.org/index.php/common/article/...
http://www.mustaqim.co.uk/halal.htm
http://www.grandin.com/ritual/rec.ritual.slau...
The Advocate

Mexico, Mexico

#370 Jun 23, 2012
mojo karma cookie wrote:
<quoted text>basic nutritional fallacy. eating the flesh of sadistically tortured and brutally killed peaceful sentient beings is not only cruel and inhumane, it is unnecessary and unhealthy.
Please show me a source stating this. Thank you.
Wade Gustafson

Saint Paul, MN

#371 Jun 23, 2012
This weekend we decided to try a vegan meal. We had salad,(locally grown lettuce, radishes, cucumbers, peppers, tomatoes, and carrots), baked potatoes with soy based "sour cream". They went well with the smoked pork ribs, brisket, and turkey drumsticks... ; P
hunters are COWARDS

Virginia Beach, VA

#372 Jun 23, 2012
The Advocate wrote:
<quoted text>
Done correctly, kosher and halal are quite humane. I am speaking from experience, as I have visited kosher abattoirs here in Mexico and have spoken with rabbis and shochets. Even Temple Grandin has stated that with proper restraints and tools, kosher and halal slaughter methods are humane.
WRONG--there is NOTHING "humane" in slitting the throats of living, breathing sentient beings who are TERRIFIED till their last horrific moment. Get lost you corpse eating sadistic troll. This discussion is about a corpse-free VEGAN diet. You freaks can't stand the FACT that vegans are living proof that humans do not need to eat the decomposing corpses of animals.

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