Do Interracial Relationships and Self-Hate Go Hand in Hand?

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Recently, freelance writer Jenny An caused an online firestorm with her confessional essay I'm an Asian Woman and I Refuse to Ever Date an Asian Man for xoJane.

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Human Revolution

Middletown, OH

#261 Oct 10, 2012
Why the "Spam" judgement?

Since: Jan 12

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#262 Oct 11, 2012
Human Revolution wrote:
Latino/Hispanic is such a broad term. Do you mean Spaniards, Mestizos, Mulattoes, Amerindians? Because many of these people were inhabiting the Southwest, California, and Florida before they even became American-owned territories.
I mean Mestizos, Mulattoes, Blacks and Amerindians. Latinos of pure European or Asian backgrounds tend to do well in America.
Human Revolution

Middletown, OH

#264 Oct 11, 2012
AussiPino wrote:
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I mean Mestizos, Mulattoes, Blacks and Amerindians. Latinos of pure European or Asian backgrounds tend to do well in America.
Damn it, I totally neglected Asian and Afro-Latinos in my post. But the only reason the European descended Latinos thrive here is because of their privileged status here and in their former nations. But most immigrants are mestizos from predominately mestizo nations ranging from Mexico down to Paraguay and mulattoes from predominately mulatto countries in the Caribbean, like Cuba, the Dominican Republic, and the American protectorate of Puerto Rico.

Since: Jan 08

Flushing, NY

#265 Oct 11, 2012
AussiPino wrote:
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I mean Mestizos, Mulattoes, Blacks and Amerindians. Latinos of pure European or Asian backgrounds tend to do well in America.
Asians being Hispanic is only an official designation.

I don't think Hispanics consider someone who look Chinese Hispanic, I'll check with my Hispanic friends.

Since: Jan 12

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#269 Oct 11, 2012
Human Revolution wrote:
<quoted text> Damn it, I totally neglected Asian and Afro-Latinos in my post. But the only reason the European descended Latinos thrive here is because of their privileged status here and in their former nations. But most immigrants are mestizos from predominately mestizo nations ranging from Mexico down to Paraguay and mulattoes from predominately mulatto countries in the Caribbean, like Cuba, the Dominican Republic, and the American protectorate of Puerto Rico.
And the United States will eventually become similar to these countries as more and more mixed-race peoples from there will bring their unfortunate situations with them. America is okay at the moment because it is still predominantly White, but by the 22nd Century, the United States will start to resemble Latin America where Whites are at the top, Asians next, mestizos lower-middle, mulattoes working class and pure Blacks and Amerindians bottom.

Asians are okay as they tend to work hard and many run their own businesses (apart from Cambodians, Laotians and Bangladeshis). But with Latino mestizos, Mulattoes and Blacks and Indios, these groups tend to be too laid-back and fatalistic towards hard work and thinking about the future instead of the immediate nows and wants.

Next century, the attitudes of pure Whites will be those who will look down on the growing mixed-race groups in America, and they will form their own close-knit community where non-Whites will not allowed to participate in privilaged activities and benefits.

Whites will continue to control most of the wealth of the United States of America despite being a small minority in the 22nd Century.

Going back to the initial topic here, Asian women who refuse to date Asian men are self-hating who aspire to be 'White' by marrying into a White families and having Eurasian children. They hope that their grandchildren will only be 1/4 Asian and that the Asian blood will eventually diminish by succeeding generations.
Hi AussiPino

Pelham, NY

#270 Oct 11, 2012
QUOTE who="AussiPino"
...by the 22nd Century, the United States will start to resemble Latin America where Whites are at the top, Asians next...
... pure Whites will be those who will look down on the growing mixed-race groups in America, and they will form their own close-knit community where non-Whites will not allowed to participate....
Nice thoughts about the future of America! It will be very scary for America if we no longer have a middle class like many Latin Countries. We do seem to be heading in that direction.
However, with all the Financial bullying by Bankers, problems in the health care, Housing, and Education Industries, Colleges, and Government preferences and favors to certain industries, it's clear that many of wealthy are not rich b/c of hard work but b/c of clever lack of moral scams which many happen to prey on poor people and the middle class.
... Asian women who refuse to date Asian men are self-hating who aspire to be 'White' by marrying into a White families and having Eurasian children...
What would shape AW to have this view? What aspects of Asian culture would drive them to think this way? For a Western Asian? For non-Western Asian? Give me civil explanation vs. a Grouch approach.

Since: Feb 12

Location hidden

#271 Oct 11, 2012
AussiPino wrote:
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And the United States will eventually become similar to these countries as more and more mixed-race peoples from there will bring their unfortunate situations with them. America is okay at the moment because it is still predominantly White, but by the 22nd Century, the United States will start to resemble Latin America where Whites are at the top, Asians next, mestizos lower-middle, mulattoes working class and pure Blacks and Amerindians bottom.
Asians are okay as they tend to work hard and many run their own businesses (apart from Cambodians, Laotians and Bangladeshis). But with Latino mestizos, Mulattoes and Blacks and Indios, these groups tend to be too laid-back and fatalistic towards hard work and thinking about the future instead of the immediate nows and wants.
Next century, the attitudes of pure Whites will be those who will look down on the growing mixed-race groups in America, and they will form their own close-knit community where non-Whites will not allowed to participate in privilaged activities and benefits.
Whites will continue to control most of the wealth of the United States of America despite being a small minority in the 22nd Century.
Going back to the initial topic here, Asian women who refuse to date Asian men are self-hating who aspire to be 'White' by marrying into a White families and having Eurasian children. They hope that their grandchildren will only be 1/4 Asian and that the Asian blood will eventually diminish by succeeding generations.
here you go again.
remember what i told you.
Human Revolution

Crossett, AR

#272 Oct 11, 2012
AussiPino wrote:
<quoted text>
And the United States will eventually become similar to these countries as more and more mixed-race peoples from there will bring their unfortunate situations with them. America is okay at the moment because it is still predominantly White, but by the 22nd Century, the United States will start to resemble Latin America where Whites are at the top, Asians next, mestizos lower-middle, mulattoes working class and pure Blacks and Amerindians bottom.
Asians are okay as they tend to work hard and many run their own businesses (apart from Cambodians, Laotians and Bangladeshis). But with Latino mestizos, Mulattoes and Blacks and Indios, these groups tend to be too laid-back and fatalistic towards hard work and thinking about the future instead of the immediate nows and wants.
Next century, the attitudes of pure Whites will be those who will look down on the growing mixed-race groups in America, and they will form their own close-knit community where non-Whites will not allowed to participate in privilaged activities and benefits.
Whites will continue to control most of the wealth of the United States of America despite being a small minority in the 22nd Century.
Going back to the initial topic here, Asian women who refuse to date Asian men are self-hating who aspire to be 'White' by marrying into a White families and having Eurasian children. They hope that their grandchildren will only be 1/4 Asian and that the Asian blood will eventually diminish by succeeding generations.
Of course those types of women are self-hating, but they make up a small minority of Asian women who date interracial.

Since: Jan 12

Location hidden

#273 Oct 12, 2012
Human Revolution wrote:
<quoted text> Of course those types of women are self-hating, but they make up a small minority of Asian women who date interracial.
I beg to differ. Those who have the opportunity to date a White guy, they would go for it. Asian women want to blend in with Whites as they have the capability to do so compared to Asian men.

Asian-Australian women who are married to White guys and have Eurasian children, they don't teach their kids jacksh!t about their Asian heritage. How selfish is that? I don't see anything wrong with inheriting their children with some Asian cultural traits. The Irish-Australian women did back during the early days of White settlement to Australia and that's why the Australian culture is strongly Irish-influenced.
Hi AussiPino

Pelham, NY

#274 Oct 12, 2012
QUOTE who="AussiPino"
...Asian-Australian women who are married to White guys and have Eurasian children, they don't teach their kids jacksh!t about their Asian heritage. How selfish is that?....
I don't think it's selfish at all. What specifically would be worth learning and from which Asian culture? In America, boys have the option to do Tae Kwon Do, Judo, Thai Kickboxing and all of it has evolved to MMA.
The ideal for Asians is violin and piano, I would hands down have my kid take voice and guitar lessons.
In Asia there are a lot of cram schools after school for kids to study, I would prefer wilderness training, boy scouts, robotics, habitat for humanity, engineering, carpentry, etc.
The above would be available to wealthier families. But what about poor ones? They would most likely continue in the Asian way.
And for some very good reasons, some Western ways of raising children are superior, if you can afford it.
How are girls raised in AF/WM families? If you've read an excerpt on Tiger Mom, I would say it's BS.

Since: Jan 12

Location hidden

#275 Oct 12, 2012
Hi AussiPino wrote:
QUOTE who="AussiPino"
...Asian-Australian women who are married to White guys and have Eurasian children, they don't teach their kids jacksh!t about their Asian heritage. How selfish is that?....
I don't think it's selfish at all. What specifically would be worth learning and from which Asian culture? In America, boys have the option to do Tae Kwon Do, Judo, Thai Kickboxing and all of it has evolved to MMA.
The ideal for Asians is violin and piano, I would hands down have my kid take voice and guitar lessons.
In Asia there are a lot of cram schools after school for kids to study, I would prefer wilderness training, boy scouts, robotics, habitat for humanity, engineering, carpentry, etc.
The above would be available to wealthier families. But what about poor ones? They would most likely continue in the Asian way.
And for some very good reasons, some Western ways of raising children are superior, if you can afford it.
How are girls raised in AF/WM families? If you've read an excerpt on Tiger Mom, I would say it's BS.
Basically this means that Asians and Eurasians should be 'Twinkies' then. Well, there's no real self-hate there isn't it? What I gather here is that it is alright for Whites have more rights in acculturating aspects of their cultural traits into mainstream American/Australian culture, but Asians should just be followers of the White man.

Of course assimilation is important as we have discussed earlier, but enriching the mainstream culture does not hurt it as long as it the cultural traits are positive ones. Like I said, the Irish in Australia have influenced the Aussie culture greatly with their self-deprecating humor and larrikinism. That's what makes Australia so distintive towards its English and New Zealander cousins. If it weren't for the Irish, Australia would've been pretty much the same as England and New Zealand.

For example, there are some Australian-born Filipinos who still do 'Mano Po' to their elders (this is a Filipino tradition that shows respect for someone older than you. It involves bowing the head, taking the hand of the elder, and placing it on your forehead). Is that a good cultural trait here? I think so and I wouldn't mind if this became a mainstream habit here in Australia.
Human Revolution

Newark, OH

#276 Oct 12, 2012
AussiPino wrote:
<quoted text>
Basically this means that Asians and Eurasians should be 'Twinkies' then. Well, there's no real self-hate there isn't it? What I gather here is that it is alright for Whites have more rights in acculturating aspects of their cultural traits into mainstream American/Australian culture, but Asians should just be followers of the White man.
Of course assimilation is important as we have discussed earlier, but enriching the mainstream culture does not hurt it as long as it the cultural traits are positive ones. Like I said, the Irish in Australia have influenced the Aussie culture greatly with their self-deprecating humor and larrikinism. That's what makes Australia so distintive towards its English and New Zealander cousins. If it weren't for the Irish, Australia would've been pretty much the same as England and New Zealand.
For example, there are some Australian-born Filipinos who still do 'Mano Po' to their elders (this is a Filipino tradition that shows respect for someone older than you. It involves bowing the head, taking the hand of the elder, and placing it on your forehead). Is that a good cultural trait here? I think so and I wouldn't mind if this became a mainstream habit here in Australia.
No offence, but it is getting really hard to take you seriously anymore. I've read some of your past posts, and it is clear that you are a hypocrite white fetish. I mean, you've posted links to porn sites! And you generalize and stereotype. I am finding it harder every day NOT to be mean to you Aussi.
Hi AussiPino

Pelham, NY

#277 Oct 12, 2012
QUOTE who="AussiPino"
Basically this means that Asians and Eurasians should be 'Twinkies' then. Well, there's no real self-hate there isn't it?...
For me, I'm happy to break away with any traditions and take whatever works the best and I think that would be a highlight of the innovative side of American culture. We sure love Asian cuisine, Thai, Viet, Chinese, Japanese, etc. and Asian martial arts. Zen buddhism was and still is quite popular and Singapore Math.
"there are some Australian-born Filipinos who still do 'Mano Po' to their elders (this is a Filipino tradition that shows respect for someone older than you...Is that a good cultural trait here?...
I think that tradition would work in a closer community, slower pace of life, and more trusting. Here in NYC, we wouldn't want people touching our heads for sanitary reasons. Also, b/c we do a lot of driving or we have a frantic pace of life, we like to keep our distance from people. We have a lot of nursing homes for the elderly, but our perception of them is more of a nuisance. Like a "get out of the way for us" type of mentality. You can see this in the age discrimination in hiring practices. And I think a bit of the coldness comes from being near a big city mentality as well.
I do think that a lot of cultural values are sacrificed and even go extinct to match the economy, and our modern lifestyles. Also, I forgot who said it before. But from global exchange we have so many choices to choose from, it really leaves each person to decide for himself what cultural values are worth living.
Probably one of the most important aspects of culture is language. In America and the world, everyone knows English. Other languages/traditions are mostly kept to ensure privacy. And if you look how Spanish is being pushed in the US, it's just causing more problems and I'm not really sure how it's helping at all.

Since: Jan 12

Location hidden

#278 Oct 12, 2012
Human Revolution wrote:
<quoted text> No offence, but it is getting really hard to take you seriously anymore. I've read some of your past posts, and it is clear that you are a hypocrite white fetish. I mean, you've posted links to porn sites! And you generalize and stereotype. I am finding it harder every day NOT to be mean to you Aussi.
I did that to make a f@cking point here. I was being an azzwipe because of the smartazz comments I had received. I was angry then because of that.
Human Revolution

Newark, OH

#279 Oct 12, 2012
AussiPino wrote:
<quoted text>
I did that to make a f@cking point here. I was being an azzwipe because of the smartazz comments I had received. I was angry then because of that.
Sorry about the comment. The more I read into this subject, here and on different websites, the more I grow pissed.

Since: Jan 12

Location hidden

#280 Oct 12, 2012
Human Revolution wrote:
<quoted text> Sorry about the comment. The more I read into this subject, here and on different websites, the more I grow pissed.
That's cool man. I was out of line a few months ago but I have realize that now so I am trying to turn over a new leaf. It's hard when these topics get personal but I'm trying.
Human Revolution

Newark, OH

#281 Oct 12, 2012
AussiPino wrote:
<quoted text>
That's cool man. I was out of line a few months ago but I have realize that now so I am trying to turn over a new leaf. It's hard when these topics get personal but I'm trying.
I know man. We need to stay strong. A few months ago, I was perfectly fine not knowing there were ulterior motives for interracial relationships. Now, a day doesn't pass where I can't stop thinking about it. Ignorance really is bliss.
Human Revolution

Newark, OH

#282 Oct 12, 2012
Hi AussiPino wrote:
QUOTE who="AussiPino"
Basically this means that Asians and Eurasians should be 'Twinkies' then. Well, there's no real self-hate there isn't it?...
For me, I'm happy to break away with any traditions and take whatever works the best and I think that would be a highlight of the innovative side of American culture. We sure love Asian cuisine, Thai, Viet, Chinese, Japanese, etc. and Asian martial arts. Zen buddhism was and still is quite popular and Singapore Math.
"there are some Australian-born Filipinos who still do 'Mano Po' to their elders (this is a Filipino tradition that shows respect for someone older than you...Is that a good cultural trait here?...
I think that tradition would work in a closer community, slower pace of life, and more trusting. Here in NYC, we wouldn't want people touching our heads for sanitary reasons. Also, b/c we do a lot of driving or we have a frantic pace of life, we like to keep our distance from people. We have a lot of nursing homes for the elderly, but our perception of them is more of a nuisance. Like a "get out of the way for us" type of mentality. You can see this in the age discrimination in hiring practices. And I think a bit of the coldness comes from being near a big city mentality as well.
I do think that a lot of cultural values are sacrificed and even go extinct to match the economy, and our modern lifestyles. Also, I forgot who said it before. But from global exchange we have so many choices to choose from, it really leaves each person to decide for himself what cultural values are worth living.
Probably one of the most important aspects of culture is language. In America and the world, everyone knows English. Other languages/traditions are mostly kept to ensure privacy. And if you look how Spanish is being pushed in the US, it's just causing more problems and I'm not really sure how it's helping at all.
I agree. When I have children of my own, I want them to have a good education, but also a social life.
Hi Human Rev

Pelham, NY

#286 Oct 13, 2012
Human Revolution wrote:
<quoted text> I agree. When I have children of my own, I want them to have a good education, but also a social life.
Don't pay any attention to Grouch. It's all noise and an echo. Do You hear that? Also, he doesn't live in China, he covers his location with a proxy.

Grouch: Blah? ah ah ah? Is anyone listening to me? ME ME ME? Why am I so alone? one? one? one? Bleh? Eh eh eh?

Let him waste his own life and energy where people ignore him. Real people prefer to have a meaningful dialogue to help change each others perspectives.

Also if he is hetero, he must be very angry b/c he can't get with a woman. No man who has healthy relationships with women would get bent out of shape like him. He's really worth laughing at. Ha ha!

And about social life, that depends on what 2 people are interested in. In America, you can talk to anyone about sports, music, and fitness, these are pretty much safe neutral and good feel topics.
Human Revolution

Newark, OH

#287 Oct 13, 2012
Hi Human Rev wrote:
<quoted text>
Don't pay any attention to Grouch. It's all noise and an echo. Do You hear that? Also, he doesn't live in China, he covers his location with a proxy.
Grouch: Blah? ah ah ah? Is anyone listening to me? ME ME ME? Why am I so alone? one? one? one? Bleh? Eh eh eh?
Let him waste his own life and energy where people ignore him. Real people prefer to have a meaningful dialogue to help change each others perspectives.
Also if he is hetero, he must be very angry b/c he can't get with a woman. No man who has healthy relationships with women would get bent out of shape like him. He's really worth laughing at. Ha ha!
And about social life, that depends on what 2 people are interested in. In America, you can talk to anyone about sports, music, and fitness, these are pretty much safe neutral and good feel topics.
Thanks man. In regards to the "Bitter Asian men" forum, I still wanna remain on good terms.

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