Guantanamo Ramadan prayers blocked in...

Guantanamo Ramadan prayers blocked in attempt to break hunger-strike

There are 20 comments on the Ekklesia Daily News story from Jul 24, 2013, titled Guantanamo Ramadan prayers blocked in attempt to break hunger-strike. In it, Ekklesia Daily News reports that:

Lawyers for Guantanamo detainees have filed an emergency motion in US federal court over the ongoing infringement of their religious rights during Ramadan.

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little lamb

South Yarra, Australia

#1 Jul 24, 2013
When you bomb people and kill people in the name of God..Then that God should not be prayed to.

Fancy the west allowing people to pray to a God that tells them to kill all infidels.

Bad God..shouldn't encourage such an evil god.

Incarceration for suspected terrorism should be about nipping in the bud the primary cause of the terrorism..

which is this god..And if their god is strong then he won't allow them to be incarcerated if they can't pray to him.

Its really simple..either their God is right and incarceration is wrong

Or incarceration for terrorism is right and their god is wrong

either one or the other,,but don't confuse the two.

“Still Politically Incorrect”

Since: Feb 10

And Damn Proud Of It Too

#2 Jul 25, 2013
little lamb wrote:
When you bomb people and kill people in the name of God..Then that God should not be prayed to.
Fancy the west allowing people to pray to a God that tells them to kill all infidels.
Bad God..shouldn't encourage such an evil god.
Incarceration for suspected terrorism should be about nipping in the bud the primary cause of the terrorism..
which is this god..And if their god is strong then he won't allow them to be incarcerated if they can't pray to him.
Its really simple..either their God is right and incarceration is wrong
Or incarceration for terrorism is right and their god is wrong
either one or the other,,but don't confuse the two.
This country's politics has been playing softball with are enemies for so long to where we rather suck up to them than stand up to them as we should be doing.
I'm not suggesting that we should go out and be conquerors and occupiers on foreign soil but we as a free nation should send a message loud and clear as we use to back then to our enemies that if you fuck with us we will fuck your world up.
Those prisoners over there in Gitmo are POW's,we are in a war that they started themselves with violent means against us and against our allies.
This isn't a war against Islam in general at all but it is a war of complexity against terrorism that which uses the religion of Islam as their platform of means to use violence against us and our allies.

Cisco Kid

Modesto, CA

#3 Jul 25, 2013
little lamb wrote:
When you bomb people and kill people in the name of God..Then that God should not be prayed to.
..........
Or incarceration for terrorism is right and their god is wrong
either one or the other,,but don't confuse the two.
If people commit atrocities in the name of Allah, does that make Allah responsible for those atrocities?

Do you think Allah is a different being than the God of Abraham, Jacob and Isaac?
The Seven Spirits of God

San Antonio, TX

#4 Jul 25, 2013
Cisco Kid wrote:
<quoted text>
If people commit atrocities in the name of Allah, does that make Allah responsible for those atrocities?
Do you think Allah is a different being than the God of Abraham, Jacob and Isaac?
Is dollarsbill Your Brother
in Christ And is of The Same Spirit You Are?
Yes or no?
Cisco Kid

Modesto, CA

#5 Jul 26, 2013
The Seven Spirits of God wrote:
<quoted text>
Is dollarsbill Your Brother
in Christ And is of The Same Spirit You Are?
Yes or no?
Yes and No.
The Seven Spirits of God

San Antonio, TX

#6 Jul 26, 2013
Cisco Kid wrote:
<quoted text>Is dollarsbill Your Brother
in Christ And is of The Same Spirit You Are?

Yes and No.
NO, he is not my Brother
in Christ And is NOT of The Same Spirit I am.

I am not a child of the devil.
The Seven Spirits of God

San Antonio, TX

#7 Jul 26, 2013
My brethren do not tell lies. Nor do they seek the things of this world.
Cisco Kid

Modesto, CA

#8 Jul 26, 2013
???????
little lamb

South Yarra, Australia

#9 Jul 26, 2013
Cisco Kid wrote:
<quoted text>
If people commit atrocities in the name of Allah, does that make Allah responsible for those atrocities?
Do you think Allah is a different being than the God of Abraham, Jacob and Isaac?
the people are responsible for their own actions..

The God of Islam is not the same God as Abraham Isaac and Jacob..

Jehovah is a covenant God..

Problem with Mohammed . he turned up about 600 years after Jesus had come ..

Jesus came to mediate a new covenant between God and man..a covenant of peace...

Mohammed contradicted both the testament [ covenant]and the one which was inaugurated by Christs BLOOD.

He denied the crucifixion...so he is anti-christ in his message..which is one of violence stated in flowery words to beguile you.

Problem with America is because of multi-culturism..they think all Gods are the same and so broke covenant..which is ' thou shalt not have strange Gods before me.'

God removes his blessing when we turn from him, the only true God.
little lamb

South Yarra, Australia

#10 Jul 26, 2013
correction...Jesus mediates a new covenant between God and men'
little lamb

South Yarra, Australia

#11 Jul 26, 2013
Gary Coaldigger wrote:
<quoted text>
This country's politics has been playing softball with are enemies for so long to where we rather suck up to them than stand up to them as we should be doing.
I'm not suggesting that we should go out and be conquerors and occupiers on foreign soil but we as a free nation should send a message loud and clear as we use to back then to our enemies that if you fuck with us we will fuck your world up.
Those prisoners over there in Gitmo are POW's,we are in a war that they started themselves with violent means against us and against our allies.
This isn't a war against Islam in general at all but it is a war of complexity against terrorism that which uses the religion of Islam as their platform of means to use violence against us and our allies.
Scripture tells us , that ' strength belongs to God'

A nation that has lost God, has lost its strength..because it no longer knows the right thing to do

And as someone else said once ..not all Islamists are terrorists..but all terrorists are Islamic'

Meaning until you deal with an 'idea' that fuels the actions you can't deal with the problem...

Christians weapons are powerful by God and are fully capable of pulling down strongholds..a Christian doesn't have to use weapons of destruction, for we have the sword of the spirit..that can cut through the philosophies and ideas against the knowledge of God.

Without those skills..you can kill one terrorist and have ten take his place..kill the idea.and they lose recruitment.
Cisco Kid

Modesto, CA

#12 Jul 26, 2013
little lamb wrote:
<quoted text>
the people are responsible for their own actions..

The God of Islam is not the same God as Abraham Isaac and Jacob..
Jehovah is a covenant God..

Problem with Mohammed . he turned up about 600 years after Jesus had come ..
Jesus came to mediate a new covenant between God and man..a covenant of peace...
Mohammed contradicted both the testament [covenant] and the one which was inaugurated by Christs BLOOD.
He denied the crucifixion...so he is anti-christ in his message..which is one of violence stated in flowery words to beguile you..........
You've just about got it.

Yes....people are responsible for their actions.

BUT...Allah is simply the Arabic word for God, the same God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob.
Grab a dictionary and look up the word Allah.

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/Allah...

You're dead on right about this though.
The main difference between Christianity and Islam is the prophets and their message.
Mohammed is a false prophet bringing a message of violence and denial of The Christ.
Muslims/Islam are part of the anti-christ.

Peace of The Lord Jesus Christ to you.
little lamb

South Yarra, Australia

#13 Jul 27, 2013
Cisco Kid wrote:
<quoted text>
You've just about got it.
Yes....people are responsible for their actions.
BUT...Allah is simply the Arabic word for God, the same God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob.
Grab a dictionary and look up the word Allah.
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/Allah...
You're dead on right about this though.
The main difference between Christianity and Islam is the prophets and their message.
Mohammed is a false prophet bringing a message of violence and denial of The Christ.
Muslims/Islam are part of the anti-christ.
Peace of The Lord Jesus Christ to you.
Thank you Cisco...The reason I suspect Allah is not the same god as the Holy scriptures, is because mohammed , was visited by an angel, that contradicted both witnesses..So Mohammed had what Paul describes in Galatians 1:8

Galatians 1:8.

But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed."

he had this angel 600 years after the death of Christ appearing to him and telling him another sort of good-news...

his cousin was a Christian..so he knew about Christ himself at the time...and would have known about Pauls warning.
Cisco Kid

Modesto, CA

#14 Jul 27, 2013
little lamb wrote:
<quoted text>
Thank you Cisco...The reason I suspect Allah is not the same god as the Holy scriptures, is because mohammed , was visited by an angel, that contradicted both witnesses..So Mohammed had what Paul describes in Galatians 1:8
Galatians 1:8.
But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed."
he had this angel 600 years after the death of Christ appearing to him and telling him another sort of good-news...
his cousin was a Christian..so he knew about Christ himself at the time...and would have known about Pauls warning.
There is no verification Mohammed was visited by an angel.
The only person to make that claim was Mohammed himself, and we know him to be a liar.

1John 2:22-
"Who is the liar?
Whoever denies that Jesus is the Christ. Whoever denies the Father and the Son, this is the antichrist."
little lamb

South Yarra, Australia

#15 Jul 27, 2013
Cisco Kid wrote:
<quoted text>
There is no verification Mohammed was visited by an angel.
The only person to make that claim was Mohammed himself, and we know him to be a liar.
1John 2:22-
"Who is the liar?
Whoever denies that Jesus is the Christ. Whoever denies the Father and the Son, this is the antichrist."
The thing is this God that Mohammed thought up for himself, has been compared as being the same God as the Holy scriptures..and the fact is ..The god of the holy scriptures would not speak through a prophet who did not speak in his name

Even Jesus name, means Jehovah saves...So to even think a god Mohammed made up for himself carries any legitimize with the God who inspired the Holy Scriptures becomes impossible

And what you have in the west is the koran being given equal status with the Holy Bible in a western court of Law..

So what you end up with is people swearing to tell the truth on a book of lies that claims they can lie to further islam...and so the whole court system becomes a farce.
Cisco Kid

Modesto, CA

#16 Jul 27, 2013
little lamb wrote:
<quoted text>
The thing is this God that Mohammed thought up for himself, has been compared as being the same God as the Holy scriptures..and the fact is ..The god of the holy scriptures would not speak through a prophet who did not speak in his name
Even Jesus name, means Jehovah saves...So to even think a god Mohammed made up for himself carries any legitimize with the God who inspired the Holy Scriptures becomes impossible
And what you have in the west is the koran being given equal status with the Holy Bible in a western court of Law..
So what you end up with is people swearing to tell the truth on a book of lies that claims they can lie to further islam...and so the whole court system becomes a farce.
Personally, I don't think Mohammed had any divine visitors.
Mohammed's biographers describe him as a self-aggrandizing opportunist trying to make a place for himself in the world.
And he was not very adept at that.

But it is a pity that so many Western nations have felt obligated to place the Quran on the same status as The Bible.
BUT....that is the way with mankind's secular government in these days.

We may live in this world, but we don't need to support it any more than giving to Caesar what is Caesar's.

Dominus vobiscum
little lamb

South Yarra, Australia

#17 Jul 28, 2013
Cisco Kid wrote:
<quoted text>
Personally, I don't think Mohammed had any divine visitors.
Mohammed's biographers describe him as a self-aggrandizing opportunist trying to make a place for himself in the world.
And he was not very adept at that.
But it is a pity that so many Western nations have felt obligated to place the Quran on the same status as The Bible.
BUT....that is the way with mankind's secular government in these days.
We may live in this world, but we don't need to support it any more than giving to Caesar what is Caesar's.
Dominus vobiscum
There is no way anyone can verify any person has a vision..I remember as a kid being told about the 'Lady of Fatima" and the kids being convinced they saw a vision.

So I can concede that people have 'visions'..but even visions have to be weighed up against scripture.

And Hebrews chapter 1 Tells us " God spoke in various ways through the prophets of old..but now he speaks to us through a son."

So Jesus is the last prophet God sent us..not Mohammed.

And it is very important that we know the TRUTH..because we can see for ourselves the destruction of people and environment when a lie is given any sort of legitimacy ..

That is why those in authority who don't fear God..

make very unsound judgments ..

and if Gods Law is not in their hearts they become dangerous for making arbitrary law which then ensnares the citizens as their slaves..instead of recognizing that they are entrusted with caring for Gods people.
Cisco Kid

Modesto, CA

#18 Jul 28, 2013
little lamb wrote:
<quoted text>
There is no way anyone can verify any person has a vision..I remember as a kid being told about the 'Lady of Fatima" and the kids being convinced they saw a vision.
So I can concede that people have 'visions'..but even visions have to be weighed up against scripture.
And Hebrews chapter 1 Tells us " God spoke in various ways through the prophets of old..but now he speaks to us through a son."
So Jesus is the last prophet God sent us..not Mohammed.
And it is very important that we know the TRUTH..because we can see for ourselves the destruction of people and environment when a lie is given any sort of legitimacy ..
That is why those in authority who don't fear God..
make very unsound judgments ..
and if Gods Law is not in their hearts they become dangerous for making arbitrary law which then ensnares the citizens as their slaves..instead of recognizing that they are entrusted with caring for Gods people.
Very good thinking, my little lambikin,
You put it together right.
Maybe I wasn't clear about Mohammed and 'divine' visions.

We both know that visions can come from a couple of different inspirations.

This is why we are called to discern the spirits. What message do they preach?

Have a good evening.
I hope Sunday service was good for you. Celebrating The Holy Eucharist at Mass is always uplifting for me.
Peace.
little lamb

South Yarra, Australia

#19 Jul 28, 2013
Cisco Kid wrote:
<quoted text>
Very good thinking, my little lambikin,
You put it together right.
Maybe I wasn't clear about Mohammed and 'divine' visions.
We both know that visions can come from a couple of different inspirations.
This is why we are called to discern the spirits. What message do they preach?
Have a good evening.
I hope Sunday service was good for you. Celebrating The Holy Eucharist at Mass is always uplifting for me.
Peace.
Have to share with you Cisco..that I believe political and religious systems were first created by Nimrod, at the time of the Tower of Babel

So I believe that God is commanding us Christians to ' come out of Babylon the Great"

Then Jehovah God says ' come out from among them and I will take you in, and you will be sons and daughters to me.'

This is the promise of the new covenant Jesus mediates between god and men..

I believe that the true church of Jesus is no part of the world..

and we can obey Jesus commandments, because Jesus states ' where two or three are gathered in my name , there I am also' so I believe that Christians gathered in each others homes , in the first century as the first church..and I don't see why we are any different today.

I believe these great institutional religions have apostatized from the new covenant [testament] inaugurated by Jesus blood.
Cisco Kid

Modesto, CA

#20 Jul 28, 2013
little lamb wrote:
<quoted text>
Have to share with you Cisco..that I believe political and religious systems were first created by Nimrod, at the time of the Tower of Babel
So I believe that God is commanding us Christians to ' come out of Babylon the Great"
Then Jehovah God says ' come out from among them and I will take you in, and you will be sons and daughters to me.'
This is the promise of the new covenant Jesus mediates between god and men..
I believe that the true church of Jesus is no part of the world..
and we can obey Jesus commandments, because Jesus states ' where two or three are gathered in my name , there I am also' so I believe that Christians gathered in each others homes , in the first century as the first church..and I don't see why we are any different today.
I believe these great institutional religions have apostatized from the new covenant [testament] inaugurated by Jesus blood.
I have to admit I've spent many times pondering the same thing about cities and nations from the beginning of time.
Wherever you read in the Old Testament, when people gathered into cities bad things soon started happening.
Maybe we're all supposed to live closer to the land?
That's what I do.

But I will argue with you about gathering together with The Body of Christ in worship.
In the old days there weren't many believers in an area, so they gathered in small groups in people's homes.
Today we are many.
Very many, and it is good to draw support from the other members of The Body of Christ.
Gather with others at the banquet provided by The Lord.
It is good in many ways.

"We must consider how to rouse one another to love and good works.

We should not stay away from our assembly,
as is the custom of some,
but encourage one another, and this all the more as you see the day drawing near...."
Hebrews 10:24,25

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