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House GOP wants to cut food stamps in drive to protect Pentagon from big federal budget cuts

There are 6931 comments on the The Washington Post story from Apr 17, 2012, titled House GOP wants to cut food stamps in drive to protect Pentagon from big federal budget cuts. In it, The Washington Post reports that:

16, 2012, file photo House Budget Committee Chairman Rep. Paul Ryan, R-Wis., holds up a copy of President Barack Obama's fiscal 2013 federal budget during the budget committee's hearing on Capitol Hill in Washington.

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Since: Jan 11

Abingdon, VA

#969 Apr 28, 2012
NTRPRNR1 wrote:
<quoted text>I don't know if the cost of drugs has dropped or climbed. I don't keep up with it;-) Not my problem.
While the Feds do control Federal programs, any state can opt out of myriad Federal programs. They can take on the burden themselves without imposing on all taxpayers by accepting Federal subsidy. But, they don't. Nope. They have come to rely on Federal tax dollars to finance much of their services to residents. See the problem? If you don't want the Federal Government involved in how you run your state public welfare programs, stop taking their money. Problem solved. Take care of your own residents with their tax contributions to the state. True, that doesn't apply to Federally mandated healthcare, but California accepts Federal money for County Health Departments too, and those operations take and serve for free ANYBODY who qualifies as a resident period based on income level. So, state taxpayers pay for illegal immigrants to have blepharoplasty (droopy eyelid fix), bunion surgery, and myriad other optional treatments - or, at least they did until maybe recently.
I lived in L.A. for over twenty-five years from 1990. I saw what happened with Prop 187, and we can chalk up the failure to Appeal to Gray Davis letting the period for expire - intentionally. We'll never know if it would have held up at SCOTUS, but there are plenty of smart folks who believe it would have been. The Ninth Circuit has an embarrassing array of rulings which have been struck down. They like to legislate from the bench and for political purposes.
But, I don't believe we should give the states so much power that they can mess around with a national standard of health care services and treatments. I just don't. I wouldn't want to become ill driving through Mississippi if we start letting states control those sorts of things. Would you?
Now, good luck to Arizona if SB1070 is upheld. Here's the problem. The state cannot deport. They can identify, take into custody and house illegals until DHS comes calling. But DHS only has 45,000 beds available nationwide, and they tend to release anybody who isn't a criminal with a notice to return for an immigration hearing in anywhere from a few months to a few YEARS. So, what happens when the same illegal immigrant is back on the streets in Phoenix within three weeks of turning him over to DHS? Is he good to go, and does
You bring up some good points. Some states create problems for them selves. They don't have to accept federal money. Good point. They allow themselves to be controlled for the money. I was living (stationed) in Texas when Nixon (the man who destroyed the republican party :-) imposed the national speed limit of 55 MPH. Texas put up the signs but never enforced the speed limit until the fed threatened to stop their highway funds. If they want to be as independent as they think they are, they wouldn't have cared about losing the funds.
As far as a health standard goes. There is a medical standard. There should be a basic medical standard set by the medical profession. A medical standard is used in court cases involving law suits. A state like Mississippi would have to meet the standard. The feds impose further mandates beyond the standards of medicine that usually involves an ideology, as your examples, instead of regulating to be sure the states meet basic medical standards.
I think Arizona laws, most of them, will pass SCOTUS scrutiny because the laws do require federal prosecution. I think they may have a problem with the initial probable cause. Otherwise, they are enforcing federal law. I can see states looking the other way when it comes to arresting money counterfeiters if it goes the other way.:-)

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Since: Mar 07

Location hidden

#970 Apr 28, 2012
USMail XXXII wrote:
<quoted text>But, but, but, they are not applying for a job, NT. They are applying for $5 worth of food, NT. Begging for $5 is humiliating enough.
A job is a privilege - food is a fundamental human right. We really need to quit the policies of disfranchisement and move towards strategies of empowerment. Lets help people move out of poverty by providing quality public education, affordable daycare, universal healthcare, and so forth, instead of humiliating them into starvation.
I'm not completely with you on why we shouldn't get involved in drug testing, but I do agree it's too d*mned costly anyway you look at it. It won't help any children eat dinner, and foster home care is much more expensive and less helpful to most children.

“"One for the claws"”

Since: Jul 10

Sin City,U.S.A.

#971 Apr 28, 2012
NTRPRNR1 wrote:
<quoted text>Hi A/C. Would you be able to tell me how you see Romney's Economic Plan and Tax Proposals as being better for middle-class Americans than is Obama's plan and make distinctions for me? I have read both, and I don't see Romney's plan as being helpful to the middle-class, the upper middle-class or the poor. What am I missing?
I have asked this question numerous times, and I can't get answers from anyone who supports Romney who can tell me why - aside from that cliché of clichés "Anybody but Obama".
Hmm. I wrote a response to you and it disappeared. Maybe it'll show up later. Otherwise there are some lost electrons roaming around Topix.
Gloria Again

Peoria, AZ

#972 Apr 28, 2012
NTRPRNR1 wrote:
<quoted text>I don't know if the cost of drugs has dropped or climbed. I don't keep up with it;-) Not my problem.
While the Feds do control Federal programs, any state can opt out of myriad Federal programs. They can take on the burden themselves without imposing on all taxpayers by accepting Federal subsidy. But, they don't. Nope. They have come to rely on Federal tax dollars to finance much of their services to residents. See the problem? If you don't want the Federal Government involved in how you run your state public welfare programs, stop taking their money. Problem solved. Take care of your own residents with their tax contributions to the state. True, that doesn't apply to Federally mandated healthcare, but California accepts Federal money for County Health Departments too, and those operations take and serve for free ANYBODY who qualifies as a resident period based on income level. So, state taxpayers pay for illegal immigrants to have blepharoplasty (droopy eyelid fix), bunion surgery, and myriad other optional treatments - or, at least they did until maybe recently.
I lived in L.A. for over twenty-five years from 1990. I saw what happened with Prop 187, and we can chalk up the failure to Appeal to Gray Davis letting the period for expire - intentionally. We'll never know if it would have held up at SCOTUS, but there are plenty of smart folks who believe it would have been. The Ninth Circuit has an embarrassing array of rulings which have been struck down. They like to legislate from the bench and for political purposes.
But, I don't believe we should give the states so much power that they can mess around with a national standard of health care services and treatments. I just don't. I wouldn't want to become ill driving through Mississippi if we start letting states control those sorts of things. Would you?
Now, good luck to Arizona if SB1070 is upheld. Here's the problem. The state cannot deport. They can identify, take into custody and house illegals until DHS comes calling. But DHS only has 45,000 beds available nationwide, and they tend to release anybody who isn't a criminal with a notice to return for an immigration hearing in anywhere from a few months to a few YEARS. So, what happens when the same illegal immigrant is back on the streets in Phoenix within three weeks of turning him over to DHS? Is he good to go, and does he have a "pass" from the court for the next three years?
At any rate, no matter how it goes, any part of SB1070 which is not in conformity with Federal Immigration law will be struck down. In particular, they want to make it a criminal offense for an illegal to solicit work. Nope. That's not how the Feds handle it. The criminal is the employer who hires them, and state law, if upheld, can only be that portion which dovetails with Federal laws. The state has no power to make NEW immigration laws - that power belongs to the Fed.
I hope the catch and release program doesn't end up costing the taxpayers of Arizona a bundle only to succeed at - not much at all. We need CIR and a permanent solution.
Spam troll

Since: Jan 11

Abingdon, VA

#973 Apr 28, 2012
USMail XXXII wrote:
<quoted text>
But here is the problem with my picture.
The federal government shifts wealth from the richer states to the poorer ones to maintain some sense of parity among the citizenry throughout the union.
If we strip the federal government's responsibility to perform these essential functions (let's say public education) how will the poorer states makeup the difference of the net loss? If we say the the Feds have no role in public education how will the South provide public education that's competitive with the rest of the States?
My "picture" benefits my State. We can carry our own weight - but, not so much for the States below me.
I really don't have a problem with state revenue sharing. The problem with federal money is it comes with conditions. Revenue sharing began under the liberal, Nixon, I believe. The Dept. of Education came under Carter. He made it a cabinet level department. They are two different things. If it was just revenue sharing to ensure an equal standard among the states with there own curriculum, there's no problem.

“Natural selection created apes”

Since: Jun 10

knowledge made them human,

#974 Apr 28, 2012
REWBA wrote:
<quoted text>
The chickens have been running around pecking on strawberries, lettuce, and seedlings that took many hours planting and caring for. The chickens have a fenced in area around their coup but they ignore the barrier and fly over it anyway. "Give them more grain" suggested the liberals, but the liberals were wrong. The chickens just ate the extra grain then jumped the fence and headed to the garden. "Build a bigger fence" said the conservatives, but the conservatives were wrong. A bigger fence costs more than the chickens are worth. Bark Bark Bark said the dogs and the dogs were right. The first chicken who jumped the fence got ate by the dogs who played with it's dead body like a rag doll in front of all the other chickens and the rest of the chickens stayed inside their fenced in area where they should have been the whole time.
Don't drug test people, Just feed them to the dogs. The rest will watch in shock and awe and do the right thing like they should have been doing the whole time.
Grandma had a 'bulico' rooster with 3" spurs. Big and nasty enough to keep conservative dogs and boa constrictors away from the coop. Grrr!

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Since: Mar 07

Location hidden

#975 Apr 28, 2012
USMail XXXII wrote:
<quoted text>Grandma had a 'bulico' rooster with 3" spurs. Big and nasty enough to keep conservative dogs and boa constrictors away from the coop. Grrr!
LOL. My great aunt Rhoda "Rhodie" actually had a gaggle of gray geese! They're so mean, they'll intimidate just about anything on four legs or two.;-)

“Natural selection created apes”

Since: Jun 10

knowledge made them human,

#976 Apr 28, 2012
Teaman wrote:
<quoted text>
I really don't have a problem with state revenue sharing. The problem with federal money is it comes with conditions. Revenue sharing began under the liberal, Nixon, I believe. The Dept. of Education came under Carter. He made it a cabinet level department. They are two different things. If it was just revenue sharing to ensure an equal standard among the states with there own curriculum, there's no problem.
So long their curricula covers the fundamentals. That is, daily english, math and science classes at a minimum.

But you see, we don't need to go too far. Right now charter and parochial schools are already free to makeup their own curricula so long their students meet basic national standards.

“Natural selection created apes”

Since: Jun 10

knowledge made them human,

#977 Apr 28, 2012
NTRPRNR1 wrote:
<quoted text>LOL. My great aunt Rhoda "Rhodie" actually had a gaggle of gray geese! They're so mean, they'll intimidate just about anything on four legs or two.;-)
I know... My grandma had a pair of those too. One of them was in love with my nutsack - the other with my ass. I'm serious. I quit feeding grandma's animals shortly after their arrival. I took to helping her cook and watering the garden.

“Natural selection created apes”

Since: Jun 10

knowledge made them human,

#978 Apr 28, 2012
I'm checking out. Thanks for the gab. Rest well.

Darsan Namaste!

“Try Reuters.”

Since: Mar 07

Location hidden

#979 Apr 28, 2012
USMail XXXII wrote:
<quoted text>
I know... My grandma had a pair of those too. One of them was in love with my nutsack - the other with my ass. I'm serious. I quit feeding grandma's animals shortly after their arrival. I took to helping her cook and watering the garden.
LOLOLOLOL! I hear ya'! Now, my sister has the white geese. They patrol around the house. It's nice to watch them outside marching around as long as your safe and snug inside with window glass between you and the geese.

Nite Mail!

“CO2 is Gaseous Love”

Since: Dec 08

Home, sweet home.

#980 Apr 29, 2012
We're getting an early peak of an August surprise. Is Mitt Romney a member of a racist cult? Best to be prepared.

Call out all racist, anti-religion and ethnic hate speech. Nip it in the bud.

Nip it.

Since: Jan 11

Abingdon, VA

#981 Apr 29, 2012
USMail XXXII wrote:
<quoted text>
So long their curricula covers the fundamentals. That is, daily english, math and science classes at a minimum.
But you see, we don't need to go too far. Right now charter and parochial schools are already free to makeup their own curricula so long their students meet basic national standards.
We can agree on that. Stick to the fundamentals. The Dept. of Ed (fed) ventures into ideological areas.
Devon

Crest Hill, IL

#982 Apr 29, 2012
MouseD wrote:
The first thing that really needs to be done with food stamps and welfare...is any female that is on any of these programs needs to be force to take birth control, or tubes tied...and if they say they can't due to their religion then fine...you have another kid...your cut off food stamps..welfare..hud housing ...your out plain and simple...we all seen it...20 yr old so called mom with 3 to 5 kids already...getting all kind of benefits, doesn't work..no education ...hud housing...food stamps...and all she does is pop out another kid by a unknown sperm donor and boom she gets more money and more benefits.
It needs to stop now...
Around here they are called "MEXICANS"!

“CO2 is Gaseous Love”

Since: Dec 08

Home, sweet home.

#983 Apr 29, 2012
MouseD wrote:
The first thing that really needs to be done with food stamps and welfare...is any female that is on any of these programs needs to be force to take birth control, or tubes tied...and if they say they can't due to their religion then fine...you have another kid...your cut off food stamps..welfare..hud housing ...your out plain and simple...we all seen it...20 yr old so called mom with 3 to 5 kids already...getting all kind of benefits, doesn't work..no education ...hud housing...food stamps...and all she does is pop out another kid by a unknown sperm donor and boom she gets more money and more benefits. It needs to stop now...
Yeah, forced sterilization, like eugenics was too much fun. Maybe intentionally spreading STD's?

We don't need these idiot, hate filled ideas of sterilization, antiMormon, anti-Christian and anti-Religion bigotry or arguments against ethnic or racial groups. Grow up!

Ralff

“United We Stand”

Since: Dec 11

Divided We Fall

#984 Apr 29, 2012
Nancy wrote:
I personally feel that they need to screen alot of our programs better, the food stamp program, disability and welfare recepients, cause there are alot of people scamming the system. I know of several recepients of disability claims for one example where they are collecting it cause they supposedly can't work, yet they do work and collect money under the table for the job, therefore don't have to pay taxes so basically scamming the system twice. Welfare at one time was a program to help people temporarily while they where having a rough time, due to loosing a job, etc. so collected it for a short period til they found another one. Now people depend on it as their sole support system simply because they are too lazy to get off their butts and find employment of some kind. Sure there are some that really do need it but there are far more just leeching off of us that could work if they really wanted too.
I know a family that gets food stamps, yet they can both afford to smoke and they are feeding six dogs, now does that make sense? If I were hurting that bad the cigarettes and dogs would go, some things are just priorities. I used to feel sorry for them and help them but after seeing some of the dumb stuff they do with their money I don't feel sorry for them anymore, they bring alot of their problems on themselves. When they are willing to cut all corners that they can, fine but til then I no longer help them. She only works part time, at one point I told her maybe she needs to go to work full time but no that wasn't an option cause she's comfortable where she's at. Well that's great but what's more important, being comfortable where you're at, or bringing in more income so you can feed your family? I also feel alot of our younger generation think they are entitled to be taken care of by the Government, there is no personal pride in working and supporting yourself anymore. More and more of the young generation feel comfortable living off the government. Sad but true.
If you haven't reported these people you are a bigger problem then they are.

However, unless you are their doctor or the doctors who reviewed the case for Social Security you have no idea what their disability and limitations are. Furthermore Social Security Disability recipients may earn $1,010.00 per month without affecting their benefits plus they are allowed to work full time at whatever rate they can earn for nine months of trial work while still receiving full disability benefits if they are attempting to work their way off of the disability list.

If you know for a fact that the money is being earned off the books and without reporting to the appropriate agencies they would love to know. The IRS may even offer you a reward.

Having said the above and encouraging you to report them I caution you on this, make sure you have the facts to back up your claims or if they are like me, they will sue the sht our of you for defamation of character and harassment.

Also, I would venture to say that only about 25% of the people you perceive to be doing these things really are but that is still about 500% more than is acceptable.

“Do be afraid”

Since: Apr 12

Location hidden

#985 Apr 29, 2012
NTRPRNR1 wrote:
<quoted text>I knew that was the point you were making, but I just don't find it to be true. Maybe you just live in a very lazy good for nothing area of the country. People want to work where I live. They prove it by working for $8.50/hr. for 40 hrs. a week and are grateful they have a job shaking fries into a paper cup. I'm sorry you don't get to see that where you live.
Where you live shaking fries into a paper cup is the equivalent of being a brain surgeon anywhere else.
auto

Indianapolis, IN

#986 Apr 29, 2012
Food stamps should be mason canning jars and gardening seeds. People are lazy
Right On

De Soto, KS

#987 Apr 29, 2012
auto wrote:
Food stamps should be mason canning jars and gardening seeds. People are lazy
I get really disgusted when I read about another program for people, such as fresh veggies in newly formed stores so the poor can use their food stamps to purchase them. If I can do container gardening on my patio, so can they. I guess there's no will, if the nanny state makes it easy for you?
auto

Indianapolis, IN

#989 Apr 29, 2012
Exile Illegals NOW wrote:
<quoted text>Might cut into their CRACK schedule!!!
This. These people are bums and feel entitled to steal from our paychecks. And most of them are on drugs....YeS

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