Romney: Obamacare fiasco "rotting" Ob...

Romney: Obamacare fiasco "rotting" Obama's second term

There are 669 comments on the CBS News story from Nov 3, 2013, titled Romney: Obamacare fiasco "rotting" Obama's second term. In it, CBS News reports that:

Not so, says the Massachusetts program's architect, former Gov. Mitt Romney, R-Mass., who challenged Mr. Obama for the presidency in 2012.

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Jim Shortz

Philadelphia, PA

#480 Dec 6, 2013
obama = turd
incredulous

Carmel, IN

#481 Dec 6, 2013
Think outside the box wrote:
<quoted text>I dunno why you watse your time with that guy. Hes shown you over and over again that even when you post factual links that fly in the face of his position he simply ignores them and spouts personal attacks. Its the blind bias that he, like many others, have that is ruining our country. Not so long ago ideas where able to be debated without pure hatred being spewed from the Democrats. They USED TO BE the party that claimed to be accepting and open to new ideas and ways of thinking. Now unfortunately, people like spOko are more interested in name calling and personal attacks than debating the facts (as his total dismissal of Clinton's policies that you even provided links to, demonstrates).
Again. He is clearly not mature enough to participate in a civil debate or exchange of ideas without turning into a 10 yr old having a fit in the corner of his room.
My apologies for my infantile behavior because engaging an immature troll is disruptive.

Since: Mar 11

St. Croix valley

#482 Dec 6, 2013
Anonymous of Indy wrote:
<quoted text>Japan has got it Right.
Japan No Welfare State
Japanís rather strict welfare system delegates the responsibility of administration to regional and local offices, some of which, like Kitakyushu, have developed an eligibility policy so rigid that very few people become accepted. And many who do, like the unfortunate man noted here, are later declared ineligible, and thrown out of the system. In fact, many people in Japan believe that persons receiving public assistance are no longer considered as lawful citizens.
http://www.onejerusalem.com/2007/10/14/japan-...
so they do have a welfare system...

epic fail...
incredulous

Carmel, IN

#483 Dec 6, 2013
Eric Gustafson wrote:
If premium increases and drops are new to you, whether you were part of a group plan or in the individual market over the last 15 year is an indication you were not paying for comprehensive coverage.
You were paying for membership in a discount program that paid for nothing.
It's not possible anywhere in America anyone could claim they had no knowledge of premium increases and cancellations or rejections for pre existing conditions over the last 15 years.
Cancellation and affordability have been 50 year battles in the Health Care Insurance market in America.
<quoted text>
I have carried insurance most likely, longer than you've been alive so you don't need to tell me what I already know. Certainly, if everything was a rosy as you claim, there wouldn't be so many folks in an outrage.

Everyone can agree that work needs to be done. The disagreement lies in the WAY it was done....against the wishes of the taxpayers! It was also done in a way that hurts the responsible hardworking citizens the most and for what? To give mooches and lawbreakers more free stuff?
incredulous

Carmel, IN

#484 Dec 6, 2013
Asian Guy wrote:
<quoted text>
the problem with YOUR "theory" is that someone who doesn't make any money won't have to pay into the system.
you cannot fine someone who doesn't make any money. know what I mean?
I will be one of those who would "benefit" from obamacare because I don't work anymore. but if you ask me if I want obamacare to be implemented, the answer is no.
who in their right mind wants something to be implemented that you know will bankrupt your country?
as I see it... only an idiot or a traitor would desire the above.
so, what does that make obama?
imagine a universal healthcare system where people who currently have jobs to pay for their healthcare STOP working because doing so WILL grant them the healthcare that they are working so hard for.
that is what obamacare will encourage people to do.
obamacare is the same universal healthcare plan that all the countries in the EU have implemented WHICH incidently is largely in part the reason why most of them are going bankrupt.
if you know what the results are before you embark on a new journey, isn't the logically recourse to learn from the mistakes rather then to repeat them?
so, the next logical step in the process is to discuss what parts of the healthcare system in the EU caused it to fail?
and from there, try to brainstorm another alternative that will succeed.
..obamacare is not an "alternative". it is the same failed system that the EU tried to implement unsuccessfully.
one has to ask themselves.. "why is obamacare and the democrats trying so hard to implement a failed system?" are they that stupid?
obama, hillary and so many of those on capitol hill keep pushing this rhetoric about how the usa is behind where universal healthcare is concerned in many other countries.
so, why isn't a list of these other countries provided for everybody to see and analyze?
I mean. that would be a logical step in getting the masses to agree with obamacare. right?
as I see it, more empty statements made by the president. remember the one.. "we will be more transparent."? or how about the one.. "we will unite the parties."?
Well said.
incredulous

Carmel, IN

#485 Dec 6, 2013
Asian Guy wrote:
<quoted text>
you are ignoring the fact that the world revolves around money.
this is REALITY.
the issue should not be one about pointing fingers at parties. it should be one on commonsense.
if you want a universal healthcare program that is cheap, you need to work out a plan where doctors and drug companies are willing to work cheap.
that is the only way you will be able to control the costs.
obamacare does not deal with this root issue of rising costs. all obamacare care is doing is taking the place of the insurance companies.
and all the insurance companies are doing is passing the costs the doctors and drug companies are billing people from them to us PLUS about 20% profit.
essentially, what will happen is the private companies will all go bankrupt, and the federal govt will end up handling the money that changes hands.
now, you have to ask yourself.. do you think the federal govt will do a better job of this? handling the money that is?
since the federal govt is currently bankrupt, you have your answer.
you talk about hospitals will be able to take up the costs that occur where those who cannot pay are involved..
the fact here is... hospitals across the nations are closing down because they cannot continue doing that.
reality.
If the world revolves around money why do you think doctors and drug companies will be willing to work on the cheap? Do you think it would be right for govt. to come in a reduce your income by 30% or more?

Rising costs of healthcare involve everyone, not just doctors and drug companies. We've talked about this before. Doctors have to pay more for employees, higher taxes, increased paperwork that requires additional staffing and cost, higher insurance, higher rents, higher supplies and equipment, higher fuel costs, higher land costs, higher attorney fees, etc. Drug companies have the same but the costs in research and development keep getting higher and higher. TV stations are filled with attorneys recruiting patients in class action suits. I've sent you a link that showed how doctors make a little more than teachers when you factor in the hours they work and all the costs. Even then, it didn't account for lost income. While their peers were making hundreds of thousands of dollars, they were still in school making nothing and incurring enormous debt.

If we want to eliminate some waste, lets take the insurance middle man right out of the picture. We don't need agents when we have technology. The days of the guy who shoveled coal for the steam engine are long gone just as it's time to say good by to the worthless paper pushers. Automation can cut down drastically on this cost alone.

Since: Mar 11

St. Croix valley

#486 Dec 6, 2013
incredulous wrote:
<quoted text>If the world revolves around money why do you think doctors and drug companies will be willing to work on the cheap? Do you think it would be right for govt. to come in a reduce your income by 30% or more?
Rising costs of healthcare involve everyone, not just doctors and drug companies. We've talked about this before. Doctors have to pay more for employees, higher taxes, increased paperwork that requires additional staffing and cost, higher insurance, higher rents, higher supplies and equipment, higher fuel costs, higher land costs, higher attorney fees, etc. Drug companies have the same but the costs in research and development keep getting higher and higher. TV stations are filled with attorneys recruiting patients in class action suits. I've sent you a link that showed how doctors make a little more than teachers when you factor in the hours they work and all the costs. Even then, it didn't account for lost income. While their peers were making hundreds of thousands of dollars, they were still in school making nothing and incurring enormous debt.
If we want to eliminate some waste, lets take the insurance middle man right out of the picture. We don't need agents when we have technology. The days of the guy who shoveled coal for the steam engine are long gone just as it's time to say good by to the worthless paper pushers. Automation can cut down drastically on this cost alone.
yeah, that is not even close to true about doctors making as much as teachers per hour worked... i have both in my family and you have absolutely no idea what you are talking about...
incredulous

Carmel, IN

#487 Dec 6, 2013
woodtick57 wrote:
<quoted text>yeah, that is not even close to true about doctors making as much as teachers per hour worked... i have both in my family and you have absolutely no idea what you are talking about...
Based on your comments in these forums, I seriously doubt you have any doctors in your family. If you did, you would be more educated in reality. Good doctors are not on board with oscummacare either....only the shitty ones who can only survive by getting patients from the govt.

Due to declining incomes, higher costs and more stressful work environments, there is a doctor shortage. It will be interesting to see how oscumma plans to deal with that. The moron forces everyone to get healthcare and there aren't even enough doctors to meet the demand. The nimrod can't even get a website going after nearly four years.....and you think he can deliver health care to a nation? My God, you'd have to be brain dead to believe so.

http://benbrownmd.wordpress.com/

Since: Mar 11

St. Croix valley

#488 Dec 6, 2013
incredulous wrote:
<quoted text>Based on your comments in these forums, I seriously doubt you have any doctors in your family. If you did, you would be more educated in reality. Good doctors are not on board with oscummacare either....only the shitty ones who can only survive by getting patients from the govt.
Due to declining incomes, higher costs and more stressful work environments, there is a doctor shortage. It will be interesting to see how oscumma plans to deal with that. The moron forces everyone to get healthcare and there aren't even enough doctors to meet the demand. The nimrod can't even get a website going after nearly four years.....and you think he can deliver health care to a nation? My God, you'd have to be brain dead to believe so.
http://benbrownmd.wordpress.com/
you mean me relying on facts would make it improbable that there is a doctor in my family? how so?

it would seem it is you that is in denial of the facts...

why is it you couldn't back up your obvious bullshit claim?

and again, it was private companies that couldn't get the website working properly. are you really this stupid?
Billy Ringo

Ardsley, NY

#489 Dec 6, 2013
This boy Etchy needs to spend less time whinning about the guy who kicked his azz in the election, and spend more time doing his 1040's.

Since: Mar 11

St. Croix valley

#490 Dec 6, 2013
incredulous wrote:
<quoted text>Based on your comments in these forums, I seriously doubt you have any doctors in your family. If you did, you would be more educated in reality. Good doctors are not on board with oscummacare either....only the shitty ones who can only survive by getting patients from the govt.
Due to declining incomes, higher costs and more stressful work environments, there is a doctor shortage. It will be interesting to see how oscumma plans to deal with that. The moron forces everyone to get healthcare and there aren't even enough doctors to meet the demand. The nimrod can't even get a website going after nearly four years.....and you think he can deliver health care to a nation? My God, you'd have to be brain dead to believe so.
http://benbrownmd.wordpress.com/
you don't think there is a doctor shortage due to the idiotic way we put them through their training?

do you actually even know anything about this industry beyond what you read on the web and parrot as soundbytes? from your posts, it would seem you do not...
Eric Gustafson

Virginia Beach, VA

#491 Dec 6, 2013
What scandals? Trumped up allegations and wild speculations don't qualify as some mythical scandal.

The central theme of Romney's failed campaign was to repeal Obamacare.

It's not unique that the Republicans philosophies and visions are rejected by the American electorate.

They're desperate for relevance with a 7% approval rating in America coming off a 2012 campaign that saw them lose two seats in the Senate, and 8 in the House.
bottlecap wrote:
<quoted text>
Pure BS
Obama rarely mentioned Obamacare. It was stupid comments by Todd Akin and Richard E. Mourdock, that fact that he Romney was a Mormon, the covering up of Obama's MANY Scandals, the cover-up of Obama's incompetence handling Hurricane Sandy and, of course, Pro Obama Corporate Fascist MSM Propaganda.
Eric Gustafson

Virginia Beach, VA

#492 Dec 6, 2013
Rosy is there were 49 Million citizens cut off from Health Care Insurance. Now there are approx 11 million who refuse to purchase improved plans.

A good portion of the Tax payers who are unsettled with ACA want single payer, further separating your ambitions with theirs. 56% of those disgruntled don't want the law repealed, but improved and moved closer to single payer.

Not many see removing the 49 Million who were cut off from access to Insurance dropped in favor of going back to the failed system before ACA.

Those sentiments and numbers are consistent with the Republicans 7% favorability rating in America and their ideas for America being thoroughly rejected.
incredulous wrote:
<quoted text>I have carried insurance most likely, longer than you've been alive so you don't need to tell me what I already know. Certainly, if everything was a rosy as you claim, there wouldn't be so many folks in an outrage.
Everyone can agree that work needs to be done. The disagreement lies in the WAY it was done....against the wishes of the taxpayers! It was also done in a way that hurts the responsible hardworking citizens the most and for what? To give mooches and lawbreakers more free stuff?
Eric Gustafson

Virginia Beach, VA

#493 Dec 6, 2013
Anonymous of Indy wrote:
<quoted text>Japan has got it Right.
Japan No Welfare State
Japanís rather strict welfare system delegates the responsibility of administration to regional and local offices, some of which, like Kitakyushu, have developed an eligibility policy so rigid that very few people become accepted. And many who do, like the unfortunate man noted here, are later declared ineligible, and thrown out of the system. In fact, many people in Japan believe that persons receiving public assistance are no longer considered as lawful citizens.
http://www.onejerusalem.com/2007/10/14/japan-...
You again are contradicting yourself. Either Japan has welfare, or they don't.

You can't claim there is no welfare in Japan, then a couple paragraphs down in your post begin to explain Japan's welfare state as being difficult to access for their citizens.

There is not a civilized advance nation without a program of aid in place for their citizens in place.

Only barbaric nations would commit to policies where they are willing to see their citizens die or go untreated when in need of medical attention.

Something about humanity and every life being worth a demonstration of dignity.
spOko

Oakland, CA

#494 Dec 6, 2013
Think outside the box wrote:
<quoted text>I dunno why you watse your time with that guy. Hes shown you over and over again that even when you post factual links that fly in the face of his position he simply ignores them and spouts personal attacks. Its the blind bias that he, like many others, have that is ruining our country. Not so long ago ideas where able to be debated without pure hatred being spewed from the Democrats. They USED TO BE the party that claimed to be accepting and open to new ideas and ways of thinking. Now unfortunately, people like spOko are more interested in name calling and personal attacks than debating the facts (as his total dismissal of Clinton's policies that you even provided links to, demonstrates).
Again. He is clearly not mature enough to participate in a civil debate or exchange of ideas without turning into a 10 yr old having a fit in the corner of his room.
A civil debate? How does one conduct a debate, let alone a civil debate, with "foaming from the mouth" Obama haters who have fabricated a completely false universe wherein facts become fiction and fiction becomes fact?

Since: Mar 11

St. Croix valley

#495 Dec 6, 2013
Eric Gustafson wrote:
<quoted text>
You again are contradicting yourself. Either Japan has welfare, or they don't.
You can't claim there is no welfare in Japan, then a couple paragraphs down in your post begin to explain Japan's welfare state as being difficult to access for their citizens.
There is not a civilized advance nation without a program of aid in place for their citizens in place.
Only barbaric nations would commit to policies where they are willing to see their citizens die or go untreated when in need of medical attention.
Something about humanity and every life being worth a demonstration of dignity.
you have far, far more patience than i, attempting to actually reason with Indy...

kind of like playing ping pong with a square ball, isn't it?

Since: Aug 11

Location hidden

#496 Dec 6, 2013
woodtick57 wrote:
<quoted text>so they do have a welfare system...
epic fail...
Japan is not a free for all Society like the Liberals have turned the US into is the point and in Japan you loose rights in the process for accepting welfare which Washington DC should do here and people's social and economical behavior would change in a heartbeat.

Since: Aug 11

Location hidden

#497 Dec 6, 2013
incredulous wrote:
<quoted text>Based on your comments in these forums, I seriously doubt you have any doctors in your family. If you did, you would be more educated in reality. Good doctors are not on board with oscummacare either....only the shitty ones who can only survive by getting patients from the govt.
Due to declining incomes, higher costs and more stressful work environments, there is a doctor shortage. It will be interesting to see how oscumma plans to deal with that. The moron forces everyone to get healthcare and there aren't even enough doctors to meet the demand. The nimrod can't even get a website going after nearly four years.....and you think he can deliver health care to a nation? My God, you'd have to be brain dead to believe so.
http://benbrownmd.wordpress.com/
Exactly.

Since: Aug 11

Location hidden

#498 Dec 6, 2013
Eric Gustafson wrote:
<quoted text>
You again are contradicting yourself. Either Japan has welfare, or they don't.
You can't claim there is no welfare in Japan, then a couple paragraphs down in your post begin to explain Japan's welfare state as being difficult to access for their citizens.
There is not a civilized advance nation without a program of aid in place for their citizens in place.
Only barbaric nations would commit to policies where they are willing to see their citizens die or go untreated when in need of medical attention.
Something about humanity and every life being worth a demonstration of dignity.
I am not contridicting myself the point is if you choose to take welfare in Japan you loose rights and the same thing here in the US should be applied if people prefer welfare instead of working and there is alot of them and the Liberals here in the US know that and they have the ability to vote themselves other peoples money by taxation which I know you are definitely for and the Liberals including yourself are proving Ben Franklin right when he said "When the people find that they can vote themselves money, that will herald the end of the republic." and is coming true and at the same time Liberals know they can by votes too which FDR proved too which the US has been going down hill ever since Socially and Economically.

The New Normal: Welfare is Now America's Most Popular Occupation

http://www.ijreview.com/2013/11/91589-new-nor...

Ben Franklin Quotes

http://jpetrie.myweb.uga.edu/poor_richard.htm...
Night Gallery

Houston, TX

#499 Dec 6, 2013
Marine Corp Pat wrote:
The right said the same thing about Obamaís first termÖ funny how Obama keeps winning against the stupid people who keeps prognosticating doom and gloom.
Being spoon-fed by the Supreme Court and libtard media is not "winning". It is the by-product of being grossly unqualified for the job.

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