Tax penalty to hit nearly 6M uninsure...

Tax penalty to hit nearly 6M uninsured people

There are 45 comments on the Northern Michigan News story from Sep 19, 2012, titled Tax penalty to hit nearly 6M uninsured people. In it, Northern Michigan News reports that:

Nearly 6 million Americans - most of them in the middle class - will face a tax penalty for not carrying medical coverage once President Barack Obama's health care overhaul law is fully in place, congressional budget analysts said Wednesday.

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“your life is great”

Since: Aug 09

you poop in clean water

#22 Sep 22, 2012
rehabthebill wrote:
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Can you a reference a website or article with this information?
I can only find this:
http://money.cnn.com/2012/06/26/pf/taxes/heal...
I don't see premiums being at 10% of income. I know medicare user retires and their premiums don't sound like 10% of income. The taxes are spelled out. They also talk about the exchanges but they're no where near close to being set up in many states nor are the prices. My thing with the ACA besides the tax and penalty angle is that it only addresses WHO will pay and not WHAT and WHY. The actual cost of care is not being address the way it should be. You should be able to go an office for under a 100 bucks, how the heck did an office VISIT wind up over 200$ with threats of cancellation penalties(sounds like a sense of entitlement to your money no matter what they did)
sure, happy to.
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"If your employer’s policy covers less than 60 percent of costs, or you are paying more than 9.5 percent of your income to get it, you can buy subsidized coverage on the exchanges."
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http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2010/03/21...
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rehabthebill

Pottstown, PA

#23 Sep 22, 2012
anneutral wrote:
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sure, happy to.
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"If your employer’s policy covers less than 60 percent of costs, or you are paying more than 9.5 percent of your income to get it, you can buy subsidized coverage on the exchanges."
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http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2010/03/21...
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Thank You

Actually alot in there. I didn't realize this but exchange based insurance policies only have to cover up to 60% of cost and you can buy more coverage for additional costs. It's getting like car insurance. This is where I have the problem on two fronts including the expense of copays and deductables AND that this does not do enough to address WHAT is being charged by the health care industry. This is a WHO will pay for it bill. The WHATs and WHYs are what needs addressing.

And as pointed out before 'subsidized' plans. Subsidized by taxes.
CBOW

Abbottstown, PA

#24 Sep 24, 2012
rehabthebill wrote:
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Thank You
Actually alot in there. I didn't realize this but exchange based insurance policies only have to cover up to 60% of cost and you can buy more coverage for additional costs. It's getting like car insurance. This is where I have the problem on two fronts including the expense of copays and deductables AND that this does not do enough to address WHAT is being charged by the health care industry. This is a WHO will pay for it bill. The WHATs and WHYs are what needs addressing.
And as pointed out before 'subsidized' plans. Subsidized by taxes.
It's about getting those to pay for those who won't or can't. Socialism at work. Meanwhile, the investors make a killing on every facet of the healthcare industry on the stock exchange. Disgusting!!!
Austinite

Austin, TX

#25 Sep 24, 2012
5950 wrote:
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Or they can get a better rate on a better plan, and if their combined income is what you say, they will also be eligible for a tax credit that will help cover much of the cost. They should really research the health care bill, not take others tirades as facts. Many are still basing complaints on the HR3200 bill that was never endorsed by the administration, and never voted on.
Obamacare holds the insurance companies to a 15% administrative cost cap, we have just been notified that our insurance rates will go down 7% this next year, as opposed to an average increase of over 10%.
No better rate. If you want less fo amonthly premium then the have increased deductable. Believe me, they checked around alot.
They would qualify for the tax credit but it would barelt be 2.5 months premium, still a drop in the bucket.
When Odummer Care takes effect they are dropping their coverage and will use the ER, works for tens of millions of illegal aliens and poor Americans.
gfys

United States

#26 Sep 24, 2012
Austinite wrote:
<quoted text>No better rate. If you want less fo amonthly premium then the have increased deductable. Believe me, they checked around alot.
They would qualify for the tax credit but it would barelt be 2.5 months premium, still a drop in the bucket.
When Odummer Care takes effect they are dropping their coverage and will use the ER, works for tens of millions of illegal aliens and poor Americans.
Yep, and I, and people like me will continue to pick up the tab for mooches like you and your family. Until you push america to socialized medicine, or continue us on our slide into a third world healthcare status.

You and your ilk, are so fast to ruin America for your own gain, all under the "poor me" guise. I've never heard so many whiners in my life. All crying the same "I'm so put upon" tune.
rehabthebill

Pottstown, PA

#27 Sep 24, 2012
Austinite wrote:
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No better rate. If you want less fo amonthly premium then the have increased deductable. Believe me, they checked around alot.
They would qualify for the tax credit but it would barelt be 2.5 months premium, still a drop in the bucket.
When Odummer Care takes effect they are dropping their coverage and will use the ER, works for tens of millions of illegal aliens and poor Americans.
The cheapest plan under the bill will be 60/40 where the policy holder will have to pay 40%. Now if a person can't afford health INSURANCE for medical CARE now why would they all of the sudden be able to afford premiums, deductables and copays. I'm not saying give the unisured free car but there's a reason they can't afford it. As long as INSURANCE fills the picture no other options will even be entertained by the health CARE industry especially.

And remember until 2014 INSURANCE was and still is an optional voluntary form of payment. Those with INSURANCE voluntarily chose to pay for their medical care with INSURANCE. Those accepting INSURANCE voluntary chose to do so basing THEIR pricing structure on 3 party reimbursed someone else is paying for it medicine. The medical care industry and INSURANCE companies did an excellent con job of making people think that INSURANCE was the only way to go hooking the American Public the like junkies on crack.
Austinite

Austin, TX

#28 Sep 24, 2012
gfys wrote:
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Yep, and I, and people like me will continue to pick up the tab for mooches like you and your family. Until you push america to socialized medicine, or continue us on our slide into a third world healthcare status.
You and your ilk, are so fast to ruin America for your own gain, all under the "poor me" guise. I've never heard so many whiners in my life. All crying the same "I'm so put upon" tune.
Buffoon, do not make assumptions about us, they work and pay lots of taxes. I myself have Tricare since I am retired military, 28 years of service. So what is it again that you have done for your country?
gfys

United States

#30 Sep 24, 2012
Austinite wrote:
<quoted text>Buffoon, do not make assumptions about us, they work and pay lots of taxes. I myself have Tricare since I am retired military, 28 years of service. So what is it again that you have done for your country?
Taken care of people that would rather mooch off my hard earned income like your family, that you yourself said will just use the ER without being insured.

If you put in 28 years, then congrats, you are a well controlled follower of those in power. I would fight for my country any day of the week, and die without question for the better tomorrow of my children.

However, when is the last time our military was used to fight for our country? Or been anything but pawns for the power elite.

My brother retired from the army in 09, ask him if he's proud, he will tell you he was proud for the first 10 years, and stuck out the last 20, wondering what he was fighting for.

Do you know what you were fighting for? Was it your mooching family back home? When were they in any danger?
Tony

Broken Arrow, OK

#31 Sep 24, 2012
Eliminate all company paid health care and everyone provide for them selves. Like republicans say be responsible for your self and stop relying on others.
Republicans do not want to be responsible.
Austinite

Austin, TX

#32 Sep 24, 2012
gfys wrote:
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Taken care of people that would rather mooch off my hard earned income like your family, that you yourself said will just use the ER without being insured.
If you put in 28 years, then congrats, you are a well controlled follower of those in power. I would fight for my country any day of the week, and die without question for the better tomorrow of my children.
However, when is the last time our military was used to fight for our country? Or been anything but pawns for the power elite.
My brother retired from the army in 09, ask him if he's proud, he will tell you he was proud for the first 10 years, and stuck out the last 20, wondering what he was fighting for.
Do you know what you were fighting for? Was it your mooching family back home? When were they in any danger?
I would rather take care of "mooching" American citizens working for a living and paying taxes than tens of millions of criminal illegal aliens any day of the week.

I joined the military for the benefits. I was 18, they paid for my university education, have Bachelors and Masters degree as a result. I retired a Colonel so get a fat pension. I was fighting for me, retired when barely 46 with pension and healthcare.

Military was a job and some of the time an adventure. Nope, did not care a bit for much of what the general public knows these past 20 years but what the general public does not know and likely never will for long long time will be judged at that time by said public.

Government, hence military is owned by corporate America, I
do believe that.

America is proud to have trounced 3rd world countries with no air force, navy, and using 40 year old Soviet surplus militaries. It would not fare so well against modern equipped and staffed militaries.
gfys

United States

#33 Sep 24, 2012
Austinite wrote:
<quoted text>I would rather take care of "mooching" American citizens working for a living and paying taxes than tens of millions of criminal illegal aliens any day of the week.

I joined the military for the benefits. I was 18, they paid for my university education, have Bachelors and Masters degree as a result. I retired a Colonel so get a fat pension. I was fighting for me, retired when barely 46 with pension and healthcare.

Military was a job and some of the time an adventure. Nope, did not care a bit for much of what the general public knows these past 20 years but what the general public does not know and likely never will for long long time will be judged at that time by said public.

Government, hence military is owned by corporate America, I
do believe that.

America is proud to have trounced 3rd world countries with no air force, navy, and using 40 year old Soviet surplus militaries. It would not fare so well against modern equipped and staffed militaries.
So, you are a prime example of the "bloated federal government." They spent my tax dollars paying for your education, that you probably never utilized in the military, gave you a "fat pension" and healthcare for life.

I happen to agree that you deserve all of those things, that's why I'm a democrat!

You stand for everything that the GOP despises.
Austinite

Austin, TX

#34 Sep 24, 2012
gfys wrote:
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So, you are a prime example of the "bloated federal government." They spent my tax dollars paying for your education, that you probably never utilized in the military, gave you a "fat pension" and healthcare for life.
I happen to agree that you deserve all of those things, that's why I'm a democrat!
You stand for everything that the GOP despises.
Yup, government is bloated beyond all reason but less so with the military, aside from the private contractors.
Yes, I utilised my education in the performance of my duties. I could utilise it in the private sector if I was so inclined.
Bottom line is that what some of the military does ends up allowing people like yourself and myself to express our opinions here and elsewhere freely.
drink the hive

Anonymous Proxy

#35 Sep 24, 2012
Its About Time Someone Knocked Over That House Of Cards...

http://i.imgur.com/WNIdX.gif
gfys

United States

#37 Sep 24, 2012
Austinite wrote:
<quoted text>Yup, government is bloated beyond all reason but less so with the military, aside from the private contractors.
Yes, I utilised my education in the performance of my duties. I could utilise it in the private sector if I was so inclined.
Bottom line is that what some of the military does ends up allowing people like yourself and myself to express our opinions here and elsewhere freely.
Not unless you're claiming the military recently defeated hitler, not that even he was close to landing on American soil. Our military spends trillions protecting a freedom of speech that is in no danger. And that's not bloated beyond reason? Lol!

Our freedom has not been seriously threatened since, oh, I don't know, maybe 1776.
Austinite

Austin, TX

#38 Sep 24, 2012
gfys wrote:
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Not unless you're claiming the military recently defeated hitler, not that even he was close to landing on American soil. Our military spends trillions protecting a freedom of speech that is in no danger. And that's not bloated beyond reason? Lol!
Our freedom has not been seriously threatened since, oh, I don't know, maybe 1776.
LOL, America went to war with Hitler, though he declared war on us but we wanted it to protect oil. Japs had Indonesia and the only two other major sources outside America was in Russia and the middle east. America at the time imported most of its petrolium from the middle east even back then.
Iran and Iraq were neutral but leaned towards Hitler so Russia, America, and England invaded and occupied those neutral countries. England and France declared war on Germany for invading neutral.
Germany also developed synthetic gasoline, diesel mostly and Standard oil was less than happy about that.
Our military does not have a budget of trillions, not all at once, add up decades of monies then it gets to the trillions. Those $120,000 cooks from KBR gotta be paid, when I started it was an enlisted man in trouble and put on KP who worked in the mess hall and he made a hell of a lot less than that a year and could be thrown into battle if need be.
gfys

United States

#39 Sep 24, 2012
Austinite wrote:
<quoted text>LOL, America went to war with Hitler, though he declared war on us but we wanted it to protect oil. Japs had Indonesia and the only two other major sources outside America was in Russia and the middle east. America at the time imported most of its petrolium from the middle east even back then.
Iran and Iraq were neutral but leaned towards Hitler so Russia, America, and England invaded and occupied those neutral countries. England and France declared war on Germany for invading neutral.
Germany also developed synthetic gasoline, diesel mostly and Standard oil was less than happy about that.
Our military does not have a budget of trillions, not all at once, add up decades of monies then it gets to the trillions. Those $120,000 cooks from KBR gotta be paid, when I started it was an enlisted man in trouble and put on KP who worked in the mess hall and he made a hell of a lot less than that a year and could be thrown into battle if need be.
So really the military has nothing to do with my freedom of speech, or expression, or really any of my freedoms at all.

Just wanted to make sure we were clear on that.

Our gov is nothing but organized crime, with bribery, hush money, and threats being thrown all over the place.

Don Corleone would have been proud!

Our military is just the strong arm heavies, the only difference is they work worldwide and have a better retirement and healthcare package.

Romney will continue using our military in the same way Chaney did, as a force to keep his private interests more lucrative at the cost of American lives.

And keep throwing more money it's way, most of which will end up in the pockets of the private contractors, not in the pockets of our troops, and certainly not used for their protection.

Those contractors are in my opinion, the biggest mooches in the country, not taking a few hundred in food stamps every month to make ends meet. But taking a few hundred million for doing next to nothing.
rehabthebill

Pottstown, PA

#40 Sep 24, 2012
Tony wrote:
Eliminate all company paid health care and everyone provide for them selves. Like republicans say be responsible for your self and stop relying on others.
Republicans do not want to be responsible.
It will never happen because of the INSURANCE companies-again. They know with employer provided health care they couldn't charge the premiums and plans they do. Individual customers/patients wouldn't buy their over priced plans. But even more troubling is the health care insdustry has become dependent on third party reimbursements like crack. It is this sense of entitled to an inflated price or fee payed by a third party that has wrecked capitalist health care. In true capitalism the insurance companies and health care industry would have to compete for your business. But neither party does. They both want third party payers involved because they know it's more money for them but third party payer equals an existing psuedo socialist system already-especially if you throw in medicare/medicaid.
CBOW

Abbottstown, PA

#41 Sep 25, 2012
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/49155844/ Nice article about hospital abuse.
rehabthebill

Pottstown, PA

#42 Sep 25, 2012
CBOW wrote:
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/49 155844/ Nice article about hospital abuse.
Yup, It came out last week that the push to make everything electronic help lead to this. I remember after the first Survivor in 2000 Dr Shawn; a contestent was asked why he didn't practice medicine more regulary and he said he basically became disallusioned when there was more discussion about billing and coding than patient care.

They keep on saying things like oh, any doctor anywhere will have your complete medical history. Right off the bat a centralized data base or open access to YOUR records is a privacy concern. Then do you honestly think a dr will read your entire medical history, maybe a week later but not in the ER.
Da Prez

Newport News, VA

#43 Sep 25, 2012
hehehehhe.....It's not a tax....(suckas) hheheheheh

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