Whiff of Eugenics: Ginsburg Tells NYT Roe Was About 'Populations ...

[Cpetr13]

How is planned parenthood a failure? It's not authorized to force women to abort; it deals with the patient who come in of their own will. It can't force women to use contraceptives, or men either.

And since you clearly believe in eugenics, what is your point?

Eristotle wrote:

Sanger got at least one thing right.
Using government funds and charitable contributions to prop up the kind of people Sanger would have sterilized and/or segregated was a monumental waste of time, treasure and effort.
There are more people living in poverty today than when Johnson started his War on Poverty.
Planned parenthood, too, has been a monumental failure.
Though PP may have helped some people, it would be hard to prove with statistics.
Nationwide, 70% of African-American babies are born out-of-wedlock. here in Indiana, that figure is 80%.
I see a day when someone will be commenting on the monumental failure of Obama's Cap and Tax Plan and how it ruined the economy for a generation...and someone will be calling him a lazy idiot, who can't comprehend the historical context that global warming was the undebatably accepted wisdom AT THAT TIME., and telling him to just STFU.
hahaha HAHAhaha
Such is the futility of arguing with facts against an ideology.

[Ladidio]

Cpetr13 wrote:

Who gives a goddam flying fu**? It's like talking to Rain Man.
Sanger is dead and has been for some time. I don't care what her motivations were; millions of women have prospered due to her efforts to make birth control legal and available.
Millions of blacks benefited from Lincoln's desire to emancipate them. Does anyone mention that his plan after emancipation was to ship them all back to africa?
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The guys a psycho with a Sanger-fixation.

I just scroll past his SPAM now.

[ProChoice666]

<<I just scroll past his SPAM now. >>

If you run out of TP, you can always print it out and wipe with it!

[ProChoice666]

<<Sanger had enough trouble withg the law. She did need more.>>

She was acquitted, of violating the Comstock law, gomer!

Is "One shot, one kill" the way your jesus taught you to treat your enemies?

I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despite-fully use you, and persecute you; [Matthew 5:44]

Didn't see anything about killing them with "one shot." Does your jebus approve of "one shot, one kill?" I don't think so!

I think I am smelling a xtian hypocrite!

[ProChoice666]

<<ANYONE who consistently and deliberately chooses to ignore the teachings of Jesus Christ is not a Christian. >>

every time you judge someone else, you are ignoring the teachings of your jesus...

what does that make YOU?

[Ladidio]

ProChoice666 wrote:

<<I just scroll past his SPAM now. >>
If you run out of TP, you can always print it out and wipe with it!

There ya go!

[Eristotle]

TerryE wrote:

No Slavery was NOT in line with most people's view at that time, Only those who made a profit from it.
Hitler was elected by only 30 of the vote in 1933. Sixty percent voted agaisnt him!
One can easily agree with Margaret sanger except for her view that poverty was genetic or at least passed along in families.
Regards, Terry
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Slavery was accepted as the norm.
Every civilization known had some form of slavery.
Only 7% of all Africans taken as slaves were brought to North America.
And many of them were here before the Revolutionary War.

Obama won with only about 31% of eligible voters.

Clinton never achieved a majority of votes, just
a plurality, in both elections. 23% and 25%, of eligible voters,respectively.

Bush didn't win a majority of nationwide votes against Gore, but he won a majority of Electoral College votes.
Only 360some people actually vote for a President.
We are a Representative Republic, not a democracy.

[Eristotle]

Cpetr13 wrote:

Who gives a goddam flying fu**? It's like talking to Rain Man.
Sanger is dead and has been for some time. I don't care what her motivations were; millions of women have prospered due to her efforts to make birth control legal and available.
Millions of blacks benefited from Lincoln's desire to emancipate them. Does anyone mention that his plan after emancipation was to ship them all back to africa?
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Using "historical context" as an excuse for Sanger's policies is a backhanded way of agreeing that those policies were extreme. Not that your ideology would allow you to admit that.

The Republicans voted Lincoln into office, and it was the republicans who were the main abolitionists.

The southern Democrats AT THAT TIME were forming the night-riders of the KKK, rousting and linching the blacks. I suppose that's OK with you though because of it's "historical context".

You've felt free to make presumptions about me, I'm merely returning that favor.

[TerryE]

In all the states north of the M-D line it had been outlawed (NJ 1822)presumably the majorities in those states found slavery to be repugnant.
IIRC European nations had all outlawed it by 1860 (except Russia) Various kinds of pseudo-slavery existed in many places, share cropping and tenant farming. The tenant farmers of Ireland being the worst for having Slave like conditions. The early miners living in company towns where they were in perpetual dept to the company store was another example of pseudo-slavery.That "acceptance of slavery as a "Norm" was with the stated wish that it would soon be removed. Had slavery survived, it wouldn't have survived the mechanisation of farming.

I can recall there were 100 million votes cast in 1992. Clinton received 43 million or 43% of the vote. Geo. Bush got 37%(IIRC) and Ross Perot recieved 20%

Yeah so, Who desputed the type of Govt we have?
Regards, Terry

Eristotle wrote:

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Slavery was accepted as the norm.
Every civilization known had some form of slavery.
Only 7% of all Africans taken as slaves were brought to North America.
And many of them were here before the Revolutionary War.
Obama won with only about 31% of eligible voters.
Clinton never achieved a majority of votes, just
a plurality, in both elections. 23% and 25%, of eligible voters,respectively.
Bush didn't win a majority of nationwide votes against Gore, but he won a majority of Electoral College votes.
Only 360some people actually vote for a President.
We are a Representative Republic, not a democracy.

[Dennis Deal]

AbortionViolence Dot Com wrote:

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Ginsburg isn't atypical of pro-choicers, whose patron saint is Lady Macbeth.
"In 1992, Ron Weddington, co-counsel in the Roe v. Wade case, wrote a letter to President-elect Clinton, imploring him to rush RU-486 — a.k.a. "the abortion pill" — to market as quickly as possible.
"(Y)ou can start immediately to eliminate the barely educated, unhealthy and poor segment of our country," Weddington insisted. "It's what we all know is true, but we only whisper it.… Think of all the poverty, crime and misery … and then add 30 million unwanted babies to the scenario. We lost a lot of ground during the Reagan-Bush religious orgy. We don't have a lot of time left."
Weddington offered a clue about who, in particular, he had in mind: "For every Jesse Jackson who has fought his way out of the poverty of a large family, there are millions mired in poverty, drugs and crime."

I noticed you didn't put a link on this... If any of this is true.. link thank you

[Dennis Deal]

http://www.judicialwatch.org/ Oh I see the judicial watch.. Yes the entire paper is one long rant and suppositions. Yes I do imagined it played well with the conservatives.

The reality is your paper only that the right was having a fit that a Former president Clinton did not give to sh*ts about you wanting to control a womens reproduction..

So sad to bad.

And now we have President Obama. Who has once more turned back the last eight years of BS of Former Presidents George Bush foolish policies.

Again I do not care to sh*ts about Ms. Sanger. She seems to have pioneered many things that has to this day pi**ed the religious right and as well as many conservatives.

Talk about holding a grudge.. But that is not going to over turn Roe V Wade. Nor is a the judicial watches very slanted rant that Former President Clinton was going to kowtow to the religious right.

Again to bad so sad for you and yours.

Roe v Wade stands you have to wonder how that can be when Every one say it is such a bad decision. Either it was a bad decision.. Or most likely SCOTUS got this one right.

As for this whole eugenics.. Please that is along with aliens from alpha moon base meeting with elected officials on the White House front lawn.

For all this build up to we have proof it turns out that there really is no proof. All of it is a conclusion of someone that was looking to rant about a President not making their agenda his and doing right by woman every where in the USA.

[Dennis Deal]

AbortionViolence Dot Com wrote:

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How typically liberal: Ask for something and then try to pretend it doesn't exist when the proof is provided.
Congratulations on completely evading the issue: You asked for a link, wondering if the Weddington quotes were "real." The link you asked for shows the actual PDF file of Weddington's letter -- on Weddington's letterhead, with his signature affixed at the end. My quotes and Richard J Daley redux's quotes come verbatim from that PDF file of Weddington's bigoted letter (pages 61-64 of the collected documents).
Be careful what you ask for henceforth. It's evident that liberals and pro-choicers can't handle the truth; it manifestly does not set them free.
For those who can handle the truth: http://www.judicialwatch.org/archive/2006/jw-...

I didn't evade I answered.. and you didn't like my answer.. To bad for you..

[Sheila]

I'm beginning to wonder if there were subliminal messages in those "public service" announcements of the 60's and 70's. It sure seems strange that whites in America were the majority abortion clinic visitors once abortion was legal.