Visalia Calvary Church pastor, the Rev. Bob Grenier, and his wife, Gayle, have sued their estranged son, Alex Grenier, accusing him of defamation and cyberbullying.
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#1401 Jan 30, 2013
Or maybe you chose to not utilize his services.
It's always word games with you.
"abuse" "discipline" "potato" "potatoe".
Here's a thought I had.
Seeing as how Kosnoff will never take another abuse case in Idaho, wouldn't it be better to lead a revolt against the terrible Idaho justice system that aids and abetts abusers and the institutions that protect them?
I mean, you do live in the state of Idaho, and all....
But then again, maybe if Bob had helped craft Idaho's victim-discriminatory legal codes, maybe you would...
In other words this hate campaign is about your hatred of your stepfather and nothing else.
If you cared about victims of abuse, you would be seeking to reform your state's victim-discriminatory body of law.
But no....Unsurprisingly, the victim of your cyberbully hate campaign has the same last name YOU do.
That sheds lots of light on your motivations, especially because you are willing to completely ignore the victim-discriminatory natureof your state's legal system.
You know?! You could start a political action committee to make sure victims of abuse in Idaho are not given short shrift by some heartless Idaho judge.
Just a thought, variously worded.
My name is Who.
#1402 Jan 30, 2013
Then I again I do believe you Alex and your brother Paul after reading your step fathers book. I can see how he probably did all the things his own children accuse him. I'm blown away that his own son would say he molested him but just like the Boyscouts and the Catholic Church victims these confessions can come out 20 years later and still cause quit an uproar.
I'm so glad you are standing up for your brother. He didn't deserve what he says happened to him. No child does.
#1403 Jan 30, 2013
You never answered my question....
Why do you believe Alex?
Please provide your answer to that simple question in the empty box that topix.com has provided for you below.
My name is Who.
#1404 Jan 30, 2013
The same reason I believe what Bob Grenier wrote in his book. It makes complete since that 3 out 4 grown men claim the same things about their abusive father.
I've also spoken to many other families who have felt his callus non Christlike manor of dealing with them.
Why do you back a man you say you don't know? To the point of blind devotion.
#1405 Jan 30, 2013
Glad you asked. I'm all about principles, and anyone that has read here long enough has read before what I'm going to type to you now.
I am a neo-Luddite-I believe the internet has introduced negative things into the world, and the good doesn't balance the bad out.
We've made it easier for pervs to trade kiddie porn just so we can buy books at amazon.com for a dollar less than we used to be able to from the bookstores that went out of business.
I am a Christian. I believe that Alex' internet behavior is prohibited by Scripture, and since I am free to voice that opinion, I do.
I adhere to a foundationalist epistemology, so I do not believe that the truth can be arrived at my typing the same accusations over and over again. Saying it doesn't make it true, and that's all Alex is, all the time. To quote Hamlet, "Words, words, words.
I adhere to a correspondence theory of truth. A proposition cannot be true unless there is an isomorphism between the proposition and a fact in the world that the proposition describes. For a variety of reasons having to do with Alex' presentation, I do not believe that the propositions he utters accurately mirror facts in the world.
Do I believe that Bob was a hardass? Sure. What parent isn't?
Do I believe it is correct to give your old father a hard time in public for being a hardass? No I don't.
Do I believe that Bob engaged in state-defined child abuse? No, I do not.
Alex' presentation morphs into whatever he needs at the moment, and it gives him serious credibility issues.
As I said a few pages ago... any police officer or administrator of justice, if answered in the way that Alex answers on his hatesite and on the internet generally, would be forced to go to their supervisor and tell their supervisor that Alex has credibility issues and that he should probably not be believed. It has to do with how he either
a)ignores questions you ask him
b)answers questions you did not ask
c)becomes abusive and insulting when you've boxed him into a corner enough such that not answering or ignoring you question is no longer possible for him.
He's squiggly like a serpent.
I could go on, but I'll respond to your reason for believing Alex later, and why your reason for believing him is so flawed.
My name is Who.
#1406 Jan 30, 2013
"...The same reason I believe what Bob Grenier wrote in his book. It makes complete since that 3..."
Alex goads. Like what's those animals that goad?
No! A goad is a cattle prod! How apropos.
You are a sheeple.
Honest question...Do you believe there were weapons of mass destruction in Iraq?
Simple yes or no will do, your answer will signal to me how I should proceed with you further.
Empty box is down there below.
My name is Who to you.
#1407 Jan 30, 2013
Let's also NOT forget
Alex' accused/alleged/insinuated speculations about finances. He's always speculating that old Bob is rich and living the high life and whatnot, and I don't think he's a guy that vacations in Hawaii much.
Divide and rule
Occupational health psychology
Setting up to fail
#1408 Jan 30, 2013
No one's buying the ludditt canard
trolling and spamming today, why?
#1409 Jan 30, 2013
Who /Camp Bob ludditt said, "and there is never anything that shows up."
Guess you missed that National News article in Newsweek/Daily Beast ;-)
you excel at being patently false
#1410 Jan 30, 2013
in case you forgot
my name is CalvaryChapelAbusedotcom
and that box right below is provided by topix for you to respond in and show what an idiot troll you are LOL
#1411 Jan 30, 2013
Here's the link to the National article on Calvary Chapel as a whole and also the Bob Grenier situation:
since you seem to have missed it?
#1412 Jan 31, 2013
you're the squiggly one and you've proven yourself intellectually dishonest time and again.
No one who reads here gives you any credibility other than Camp Bob and that is going to cost them a lot of money methinks
#1413 Jan 31, 2013
Who/ludditt/campbob said, "Alex---I just havbe to tell you that you are fucking NUTS. Like CRAZY. Like you don't live in the same world as the rest of the English speakers. Maybe you should have the little green men beam you back up. She's on offense? You are so full of it. Redefine facts much? What color is the sky in your world TODAY, Alex?"
Who/Camp Bob ludditer said,'Also, since I seriously doubt your Christian professions (blame it on all the unspiritual bad fruit I see falling from your tree)"
Wholuddittcamper said, "In your fantasy world you are way moer important than other people think you are. This is a defamation suit in Tulare County."
1. Naughty naughty. Bad bad language.
3.#1 Free Speech Firm in the state of Cali if not the nation takes the case (1 out of 100 so I'm told), Newseek/Daily Beast covers the story nationally.
you really are wrong a lot, and you're pretty much a total idiot
my name is
#1414 Jan 31, 2013
use the box
#1415 Jan 31, 2013
#1416 Jan 31, 2013
If you're so bored, you could always go on an incoherent f-word laced rant like you often do
then you could claim you are so squared away and credible LOL
#1417 Jan 31, 2013
Excellent observation, Who!
#1418 Jan 31, 2013
I agree Who! Thank you.
#1419 Jan 31, 2013
Why aren't you leading a campaign to change Idaho's laws that protect abusers, Alex?
Oh that's right. The person that wrote the laws doesn't have the last name Grenier.
#1420 Jan 31, 2013
When you interviewed that former acquiantance of Bob, Alex, remember when you quoted him as saying that Bob was "a little hard on you,"
and within two hours you were quoting the guy as saying Bob "abused" you?
So your initial recounting of your conversation has him saying Bob was a little hard on you, and then as you talked on the internet more and more it became
Bob abused you?
That is but a small example of my observation that your story/memory changes depending upon whatever situation you find yourself in at the time.
My name is Who.
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