Visalia Calvary Church pastor, the Rev. Bob Grenier, and his wife, Gayle, have sued their estranged son, Alex Grenier, accusing him of defamation and cyberbullying.Full Story
#869 Dec 6, 2012
There are two fights here, Alex.
There is the hate campaign against your father.
That is the hill I am arguing on.
There is the battle against Calvary Chapel.
The second battle is not the topic of this topix.com thread.
Since you have only recently been focusing on the second battle, my argument that you are commandeering a hate campaign against your family is all the stronger.
You only turned to the second battle when every law enforcement agency that you approached with your allegations against your father investigated your claims and found them to be without substance.
My guess is that if you are found guilty of defamation the court will order you to cease and desist posting about your family on topix.com . And since the language in the lawsuit was taken DIRECTLY from my posts here at topix.com , well
"...hows that "my goal is to get you to stop typing on topix" think working out? ;-)..."
I'd say that my goal of getting you to stop posting against your family on topix.com is working out quite well, thank you very much.
It's a marathon, not a sprint, and I knew it would be since my first post in June of 2010.
My name is Who.
#871 Dec 6, 2012
gotta run, make sure you respond in the box provided and i'll reply later ;-)
#872 Dec 6, 2012
This and the last few pages are indicative and all the evidence I'd ever need.
#873 Dec 6, 2012
But there is more I'd like to add---a second draft, if you will. I'll post it later.
My name is Who.
#875 Dec 6, 2012
and reporting that b/c it's true, even if it is reported 5 gazillion times, doesn't make it cyberullying or a hate campaign
we have the right to speak out about abuses and corruption etc we have the right to petition the govt, church, public to deal with serious issues by public figures/public officials and positions of trust in institutions of trust
it is no more a hate campaign or bullying than Calvary Chapel and Bob Grenier's campaign with regards to Phil Aguilar and Set Free and the zillions of other bloggers and activists and media and watchdogs etc who focus on specific individuals and specific institutions etc etc etc
you can repeat your bs all you want, doesn't make it so
i think some folks are going to get a very expensive lesson in the law soon
#876 Dec 6, 2012
and as you like to say, just put your response in that empty box below
i'll reply later
#877 Dec 6, 2012
"...i think some folks are going to get a very expensive lesson in the law soon..."
More threats from you. Are they empty? Who knows? Who doesn't. They are still threats; that's one of your favorite hobbies. Belittling those that don't agree with you totally, and threatening those people when you've run out of anything ELSE to say.
The bullyish and boorish behavior you engage in is tiring to say the least.
Reread the last ten topix pages, Alex; they contain a near-complete statement of my views regarding the hate campaign you are conducting against your family.
My name is Who.
#878 Dec 6, 2012
not a threat, just my opinion based on the reality that BG sued me and I think he's going to get a very expensive lesson if and when he loses
what's threatening about that?
once again you are showing your intellectual dishonesty and predilection toward poor skills in reading comprehension
make sure to respond in that box below as you say
i'll be back to reply later
#879 Dec 6, 2012
Slappass- Do you ever comprehend what you read? I posted that I wanted to make it clear that (especially to you Slapp- so as not to incur your unwarranted tirades) I was NOT siding with BG- nor taking sides.
#880 Dec 6, 2012
and it's not a hate campaign any more than Bob Grenier's public campaign exposing Phil Aguilar was a hate campaign, nor was Calvary Chapel's campaign exposing Set Free a hate campaign etc etc
btw, you keep touting something to the effect that b/c BG gave me room and board and provided basic necessities growing up etc that it excuses the child abuse. That's total bs
Parents and guardians are supposed to raise their kids...and they're not supposed to abuse them
#881 Dec 6, 2012
response, box, reply later
#882 Dec 6, 2012
"...that it excuses the child abuse...."
No. I keep touting that making up false allegations about people that gave you room and board is inexcusable.
You have yet to SHOW that you were abused.
You've SAID you were abused, but that is not the same as providing reasons for belief.
You've said you have other corraborating things, but you haven't shared those to the public. Why?
All of those 'testimonies' you say you gave to Chuck,
WHY NOT POST THEM ALL AT topix.com or at your hatesite so that the general reader can form an opinion without having to take your word for it?
Why are you so reticent to provide the general reader with what they need to come to a more informed opinion?
This fact that you are reaching conclusions based upon things that you are not sharing with the public is a HUGE RED FLAG that you either have some things to hide (at worst), or you are afraid that if you provided all of the info the general reader would see what you are doing as a hate campaign.
My name is Who.
#883 Dec 6, 2012
Just read Ron's contribution to your hatesite, Alex. You are not handling him well. More misrepresentation from you.
Obviously merely reporting the truth is not your goal; you are always changing little things to put the spin on a story that you think it deserves, without regard to whether or not your spin serves the truth or obfuscates it.
So far regarding SanAntone, you are obfuscating again.
Steve had a GREAT point about 'leadership meeting,' btw.
Alex, why do you always spin when you write? Why can't you just state the facts and let the chips fall? You are always misrepresenting in the court of public opinion, and your spin in your latest story is just the latest example.
If I were Bob, I'd take your account of SanAntone into court as an example of your misrepresentations.
My name is Who.
#884 Dec 6, 2012
the abuse allegations are not false and are corroborated by multiple witnesses and meet and exceed the definitions that the State of California defines as Child Abuse
You can spin all you want, an adult "assisting" in the Sunday School Classroom is a "leader" as opposed to a child in the classroom. Hair-splitting that issue is a Red Herring and not the issue
the issue is the Calvary Chapel Youth Leader working with 4th, 5th and 6th graders there was arrested by the FBI for distributing child porn
Calvary Chapel had a guy in Anthony Iglesias who allegedly (and the Idaho judge did not strike this down, he merely let Costa Mecca/Mothership off the hook for liability) went from Raul Ries's Calvary Chapel to another Calvary Chapel after Raul's CC knew he had a problem with pedophilia, then "restored" him to ministry, only to have Iglesias meet more children through his Youth Leader position of trust and then molested them.
Calvary Chapel does have an official Calvary Chapel Association and an official Affiliation Agreement/Contract to be an official Calvary Chapel Chuck Smith approved Dove Toting Pastor / Position of Trust.
Calvary Chapel does not have System-wide Mandatory Background Checks in place as part of the Affiliation Agreement, nor does it have any Mandatory Best Practices/Policies to help protect kids. This is something I continue to push for and is a big part of the Cause.
Calvary Chapel has a Senior Pastor to this moment who is accused of Child Molestation by his blood son. There is no Policy in place to remove the Calvary Chapel Pastor from ministry, fully investigate the claims and make a ruling from within the Calvary Chapel Church System/Organization. This is something I continue to push for and is the reason the Bob Grenier situation is so important. Bob Grenier is still in a Position of Trust and is still endorsed by Chuck Smith and Calvary Chapel without the church doing a full investigation and hearing all the testimonies against Bob and without making an official report of their findings and ruling on these serious issues.
Yet, Calvary Chapel DID do an "investigation" into Phil Aguilar and Set Free Ministries/Fellowship. Calvary Chapel DID publish a scathing 318 page "report" and did WARN the public at large to avoid Aguilar...someone who is not one of their own.
Typical Pharisee: Strain the gnat...and swallow the camel
Your response is required in the box below. I'll respond later to your spin and will correct the record.
#886 Dec 6, 2012
Grace disagrees with Ron Arbaugh's take:
"Ron is a liar I went to his church and ron never deals with anything he turns his back and acts as if nothing is going on ...and further more I know for a fact that Mr.Holguin not only worked at your church as a youth leader for 4, 5, 6 graders but I also know that for a fact that he worked as a teachers aid at you school that you hold there at cc ... I have been to multiple cc and it seems that all cc pastors never want to face reality and do what is right by the lord but instead they choose to turn thier back as if they dont know ..now not only will Mr.Holguin have to face the truth for the sins he did but you Mr.Ron will have to as well for the lies you just wrote in ink on the internet ..you will face the truth!!!"
and I'm assuming she disagrees with Steve Wright's take as well.
#887 Dec 6, 2012
I look forward to response in that empty box below as you say often
#888 Dec 6, 2012
c'mon, i was hoping to respond to at least another 10 of your posts tonight
#889 Dec 6, 2012
who said, "Why can't you just state the facts and let the chips fall?"
I did: bob grenier abused me, it met and exceeded the state's definition of child abuse many times over.
I witnessed bob beating my brother geoff terribly, imprisoning him in a small coat closet, kicking him, striking him in the face, beating him with a tree pruning over his entire body, etc etc etc
Paul Grenier, bob's blood son accuses him of molestation and I believe paul's allegations, yet bob is still endorsed by Chuck Smith and Calvary Chapel as a Senior Pastor in a position of trust and Bob is still endorsed and supported by the Visalia Police Department as a public official in the capacity of official police chaplain and lead chaplain of their organization without a full investigation into the many serious allegations surrounding grenier and without a report being published on the findings like CC did with Phil Aguilar and Set Free, etc etc.
#890 Dec 6, 2012
response, box, you know the drill
#891 Dec 7, 2012
Taking a que from your butt buddy, just because you say you aren't siding with BG doesn't make it so. All your dipsh!t statements sound like you agree with Who. It's not comprehension crackhead, it's perception and I perceive you to be one dumb SOB. Stop talking out of both sides of that mother kisser and man up. We don't need another child molester defender here. He's got his own deal with the devil.
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