Calvary Chapel Visalia whistleblower's allegations: Theft, fraud, tax violations

Feb 25, 2012 Full story: calvarychapelabuse.com 86

Bob Grenier pastor of Calvary Chapel Visalia's child abuse and allegations by Paul Grenier of molestation are well documented on this site.

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#1 Feb 25, 2012
It is very sad that tax evasion is what might actually take this bad guy down and not his own church out of following sound biblical truths, for the crimes against his sons, staff and congregation.
CalvaryChapelAbu sedotcom

Nampa, ID

#2 Feb 26, 2012
There are very serious allegations coming from several former Calvary Chapel Visalia employees / whistleblowers.

Allegations of theft, disability fraud and tax fraud, etc.

Every allegation should be thoroughly investigated by the governing authorities.
CalvaryChapelAbu sedotcom

Nampa, ID

#3 Feb 26, 2012
Several former employees (and others) corroborate the allegations in part or in whole. Attempts to cover up the stuff or obstruct should be looked into (if that has happened or happens). Bob Grenier and the Calvary Chapel Visalia Board (past and present, which includes Brent Calvin Dean of COS, Jeff Fly of Turning Point, and Raul Ries, David Rosales and Gary Ruff) should be forthcoming with information and tell the truth about these matters. That would be the Godly thing to do.

They just held a Men's Conference and talked about truth, righteousness and coming out of the darkness etc. Seems telling the truth about these and other matters and being transparent etc is what they are telling others in their sermons.
CalvaryChapelAbu sedotcom

Nampa, ID

#4 Feb 26, 2012
Not Alone, I know you had a terrible experience at Calvary Chapel Visalia and I'm sure you would have wanted someone to warn you to avoid that situation to avoid the pain you and your family have gone through.

I hope this stuff is addressed by those in authority to address it. And, I hope people reading all this stuff take warning.
CalvaryChapelAbu sedotcom

Nampa, ID

#5 Feb 26, 2012
I wouldn't give a dime to that church after all that I've discovered about what goes on with the finances behind the scenes from several former employees. Not good to say the least.
Who

Visalia, CA

#6 Feb 26, 2012
yawn. low entry barriers. If posting costed you, you wouldn't do it, pawn shop hero.
CalvaryChapelAbu sedotcom

Meridian, ID

#8 Feb 27, 2012
Amen SunnysideUp.
CalvaryChapelAbu sedotcom

Meridian, ID

#9 Feb 27, 2012
Who, is that all you got? Wow, you must be gettin' tired of running into that wall you talk about.
CalvaryChapelAbu sedotcom

Meridian, ID

#10 Feb 27, 2012
What do you think of these allegations from a former Calvary Chapel Visalia employee (that is corroborated in part or in whole by two other employees and another witness)?
CalvaryChapelAbu sedotcom

Meridian, ID

#11 Feb 28, 2012
Raul Ries of Calvary Chapel Golden Springs was on the Calvary Chapel Visalia Board during the time of the alleged fraud, tax violations etc.

Other sources report that Ries had agents smuggle cash into South America to avoid taxes and customs. The figure reported is $200,000.
Who

Visalia, CA

#12 Feb 28, 2012
yawn. same blustery hot air you've been puffing out since Clinton didn't inhale.
CalvaryChapelAbu sedotcom

Meridian, ID

#13 Feb 28, 2012
What do you think of the allegations?

Doesn't the former employee's testimony sound like Disability Fraud, etc?

Shouldn't the governing authorities do something about that?
CalvaryChapelAbu sedotcom

Meridian, ID

#14 Mar 1, 2012
Knock knock.
CalvaryChapelAbu sedotcom

Meridian, ID

#15 Mar 1, 2012
It'll be interesting to learn what the Calvary Chapel Visalia Board members knew about these allegations of theft, fraud and tax violations, especially Brent Calvin Dean of COS and Jeff Fly of Turning Point as well as Raul Ries, Gary Ruff and David Rosales.

I'm guessing Bob will somehow say the Board approved this stuff or something.
Who

Visalia, CA

#16 Mar 1, 2012
Who wrote:
you says
"..It'll be interesting to learn what the Calvary Chapel Visalia Board members knew about these allegations of..."
Who says
My guess is that your bull-in-a-chinashop approach (fb stalking, etc) makes it virtually impossible for anyone on planet earth to not know what you say. And they, unlike you, are closer to these little inconvenient things called "facts" and how those "facts" fit together with other "facts." Gnomesayin?
you says
"...especially xxx of yyy and zzz zzz of wwww as well as crispycritters.com , ddd jjj and fff ggg...I'm guessing Bob will somehow say the Board approved this stuff or something...."
Who says
I have no idea, Alex! Maybe things aren't the way you say things are? Maybe things don't have the same significance that you attach to them? This is all assuming that your accounts are neutral reportage or the barking of little doggies with bees in their bonnet.
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I think a lot about Phil Naessens, and how he had a theological internet disagreement, and how his frienemy called his place of employment trying to make his life difficult, and how phil had to ban the guy from fb etc.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v =y4yE6p1WgNMXX
Exellent point, Who!
CalvaryChapelAbu sedotcom

Meridian, ID

#17 Mar 1, 2012
We've got a 24 year CCV board member's testimony about Bob's practice of "you guys are not like other boards, you're there to do what I say"

and several former employee's testimony of what looks to be disability fraud (I can't really see how it isn't, but I'm sure Bob will try to spin it)

and several employee's testimony of Bob not turning in receipts etc and taking hundreds in cash on trips (it adds up to thousands of dollars over the years, Bob travels a LOT to Southern California and elsewhere, with Paul's testimony of being the recipient of actual personal items from that cash as well as witnessing Bob spend the money on personal stuff all the time.
CalvaryChapelAbu sedotcom

Meridian, ID

#18 Mar 1, 2012
Shorten it up, can't read all that. Thanks.
Who

Visalia, CA

#19 Mar 1, 2012
It's a cut and paste response to your words.
If you want a bigger font, go look at the other thread.
And if you don't bother reading what I write, just admit that you are using my continued responses to you as fuel for your fire.
Maybe If i stop posting you will.
Maybe we are joined at the hip?
CalvaryChapelAbu sedotcom

Meridian, ID

#20 Mar 2, 2012
Not good enough, too many words, try to keep it to one sentence.

The Calvary Chapel World is going to be shaken to the core this year...and it's much needed and about time.
Who

Visalia, CA

#21 Mar 2, 2012
yawn blahblah ill criticize your latest hate rant when i awaken from the self-induced drunken stupor that i am currently engaged in, unlike the hate campaign you are currently engaged in, but Who knows? maybe you are drunk right now too?

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