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Jehovah's Witnesses hushed up child sex scandal

There are 79 comments on the Sunderland Echo story from Jul 16, 2013, titled Jehovah's Witnesses hushed up child sex scandal. In it, Sunderland Echo reports that:

Jehovah Witness ministerial servant Gordon Leighton admitted sexually abusing a child when he was confronted by his church elders, a court heard.

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unlisted

Greensboro, NC

#1 Jul 16, 2013
anyone know this story?

Since: Jan 12

Location hidden

#2 Jul 16, 2013
It's unconscionable that elders tasked with protecting the congregation would be so uncooperative with the police.

The story or investigation does not go into detail about their motives. But I suspect their actions were influenced by their leaders in Brooklyn, which mandates that any case of sexual abuse be reported to their special department right away.

A secondary issue are the elders hiding behind the Seal of the Confessional, a trick used over and over by the Catholic Church.

While the JWs claim not to have a clergy/laity distinction, they have no problems pretending they do when it is convenient for them.

Disgusting!
True Christian witness

Slick, OK

#3 Jul 16, 2013
Be happy the guy is behind bars now, I am. All hypocrites will be exposed and judged as such anyway.

Elders are not infallible, they get disciplined too, if they did something unchristian or illegal, Jesus' angels will expose them too.

Matthew 13:49
Hoodwinked

Winchester, CA

#4 Jul 16, 2013
Once again it just shows what many of us have been saying for years!! The WTS chooses to protect child molesters over protecting innocent children.

It's already been made clear through the courts that JW's fact finding meetings with molesters are in no way confidential yet they still try to claim clergy penitent privilege!
True Christian witness

Slick, OK

#5 Jul 16, 2013
You do not know what you are talking about, you only want to get on the bandwagon that is bad mouthing the witnesses, not this one man.

I know for a fact, no Jehovah's witness, and especially an elder would protect anyone who is guilty of a crime, especially molesting a child.
Serious Questioner

London, UK

#6 Jul 16, 2013
True Christian witness wrote:
You do not know what you are talking about, you only want to get on the bandwagon that is bad mouthing the witnesses, not this one man.
I know for a fact, no Jehovah's witness, and especially an elder would protect anyone who is guilty of a crime, especially molesting a child.
These elders hushed it up, and it isn't ex jws who are reporting it

http://www.sunderlandecho.com/news/crime/jeho...

SQ
hMMMMM

Farmington, UT

#7 Jul 16, 2013
For three years, the elders refused to co-operate with the criminal investigation and kept up that stance when the case was brought before Newcastle Crown Court after the victim made a complaint to police.

Each was issued with a witness summons which they fought to overturn before being ordered to testify by Judge Penny Moreland citing public interest.

Their barrister Richard Daniels said the men had a “duty to God” not to breach confidence.

He added:“Privileged communication between members of the congregation and ministers is an absolute right and duty and there is no power in law to breach such a confidence.”

Judge Moreland said:“It is apparent that the three elders who were present when this conversation took place are in possession of relevant evidence as to a point which is of real significance in this case.

“They claim the right of confidentiality, they claim that what they heard said by the defendant during the course of that meeting ought to be subject to privilege, as ministers of religion.”

Judge Moreland refused to withdraw the summonses and said:“Public interest is clearly in favour of this evidence being given.

“What was said by the defendant on that occasion is of great significance in the trial.”

Despite the judge’s ruling, the men still refused to make statements to police until just hours before they were called before the jury.

Wow, absolutely disgusting. And what an idiot his wife was, to die for this moronic, perverted cult!!
What kind of parents let their children anywhere near a kIngdumb Hall??
Hoodwinked was one of the very few Jehovah's witness who are brave and protect and defend their child.

“KeepProclaiming Christ Death ”

Since: Dec 09

Lynchburg, VA

#8 Jul 16, 2013
Shame! Shame! Shame! for not reporting child molesting! The Bible does not condone disobeying a judge concerning child molesting.
e-watchman

Grand Rapids, MI

#9 Jul 16, 2013
True Christian witness wrote:
You do not know what you are talking about, you only want to get on the bandwagon that is bad mouthing the witnesses, not this one man.
I know for a fact, no Jehovah's witness, and especially an elder would protect anyone who is guilty of a crime, especially molesting a child.
You had better get your facts straight.
The elders act on orders from Bethel's Legal Department. Any elder who goes rouge would be deleted, pronto. The three elders in this case were undoubtedly ordered by Bethel not to cooperate in order not to establish any sort of legal precedent. http://e-watchman.com
jace

Woodbridge, VA

#11 Jul 16, 2013
e-watchman wrote:
<quoted text>
You had better get your facts straight.
The elders act on orders from Bethel's Legal Department. Any elder who goes rouge would be deleted, pronto. The three elders in this case were undoubtedly ordered by Bethel not to cooperate in order not to establish any sort of legal precedent. http://e-watchman.com
True Christian witness wrote:

"I know for a FACT, no Jehovah's witness, and especially an elder would protect anyone who is guilty of a crime, especially molesting a child."

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THIS IS why we need jw posting to CONFIRM what we say , yes confirm exactly what we say

jw are indeed a high control group as seen by this poster

we are looking at a thread where documentation from a Court has been provided and a newspaper is reporting it and here we see a jw is face to face with the fact that Elders would refuse to report a child rape to the authorities under some guise of confidentiality

everyone knows that moral laws trump civil laws

many persons have gone to jail for breaking civil laws because it was the MORALLY RIGHT THING TO DO

this poor jw can not face the fact that HE DOES NOT KNOW FOR A FACT what he thinks he does

this happened in the catholic church, many persons swore on a stack of bibles that "priest" would not abuse children

we see the same closed mind, close ears and closed eyes to information regarding a child being raped

this is another excellent example that jw are a high control group
deny deny, even when the facts say otherwise

jace

Woodbridge, VA

#12 Jul 16, 2013
e-watchman wrote:
<quoted text>
You had better get your facts straight.
The elders act on orders from Bethel's Legal Department. Any elder who goes rouge would be deleted, pronto. The three elders in this case were undoubtedly ordered by Bethel not to cooperate in order not to establish any sort of legal precedent. http://e-watchman.com
bingo

point well taken
hMMMMM

Farmington, UT

#13 Jul 16, 2013
True Christian witness wrote:
You do not know what you are talking about, you only want to get on the bandwagon that is bad mouthing the witnesses, not this one man.
I know for a fact, no Jehovah's witness, and especially an elder would protect anyone who is guilty of a crime, especially molesting a child.
Can you read at the reading level of the article, or is the only thing you can comprehend a Watchtower???
That is EXACTLY what these 3 elders did.
Jehovah's Witnesses are the lowest scum on planet earth!
To post here defending those who sexually assault children is the face of evil itself.
Remnant143999

Albuquerque, NM

#14 Jul 16, 2013
True Christian witness wrote:
You do not know what you are talking about, you only want to get on the bandwagon that is bad mouthing the witnesses, not this one man.
I know for a fact, no Jehovah's witness, and especially an elder would protect anyone who is guilty of a crime, especially molesting a child.
Any first year law student knows that when a person says "I know for a fact" they are lying!

Since: Oct 10

Homebush, Australia

#15 Jul 16, 2013
Hoodwinked wrote:
Once again it just shows what many of us have been saying for years!! The WTS chooses to protect child molesters over protecting innocent children.
It's already been made clear through the courts that JW's fact finding meetings with molesters are in no way confidential yet they still try to claim clergy penitent privilege!
hi HW hope you are yours are doing well, good to see these truths coming out, hopfully something more is done for the sake of the victims.

http://jwsurvey.org/
BUDGIE

UK

#16 Jul 17, 2013
Arkham Bravo wrote:
It's unconscionable that elders tasked with protecting the congregation would be so uncooperative with the police.
The story or investigation does not go into detail about their motives. But I suspect their actions were influenced by their leaders in Brooklyn, which mandates that any case of sexual abuse be reported to their special department right away.
A secondary issue are the elders hiding behind the Seal of the Confessional, a trick used over and over by the Catholic Church.
While the JWs claim not to have a clergy/laity distinction, they have no problems pretending they do when it is convenient for them.
Disgusting!
JW'S HAVE NO CLERGY
Jehovahs Witnesses claim to have no clergy and are supposed to be totally unlike Christendoms' rulers
who get special reverence and lord it over their brothers. However, when asked why they didn't report
molestion incidents to the police they claim it was because it's a violation of the clergy/laity relationship.
The WT claim Clergy-Laity priviledge DISPITE DECLARING PUBLICLY --- WE HAVE NO CLERGY
HYPOCRISY at the highest level or what..
BUDGIE

UK

#17 Jul 17, 2013
Quote from the news article --sunderland echo....

""####Judge Moreland said:“It is apparent that the three elders who were present when this conversation took place are in possession of relevant evidence as to a point which is of real significance in this case.

“They claim the right of confidentiality, they claim that what they heard said by the defendant during the course of that meeting ought to be subject to privilege, as ministers of religion.”

Judge Moreland refused to withdraw the summonses and said:“Public interest is clearly in favour of this evidence being given.

“What was said by the defendant on that occasion is of great significance in the trial.”

Despite the judge’s ruling, the men still refused to make statements to police until just hours before they were called before the jury."""###

aadriver

Since: Aug 09

Bedfordshire, England

#18 Jul 17, 2013
Wouldn't it be nice for a change if a JW on this site, held there hands up and agreed that this was indeed a shocking case and that the elders should have fully cooperated with the police once they were asked to help put this scumbag behind bars. Is it really so hard to be honest and open?

Since: Oct 10

Homebush, Australia

#19 Jul 17, 2013
aadriver wrote:
Wouldn't it be nice for a change if a JW on this site, held there hands up and agreed that this was indeed a shocking case and that the elders should have fully cooperated with the police once they were asked to help put this scumbag behind bars. Is it really so hard to be honest and open?
I have
BUDGIE

UK

#20 Jul 17, 2013
True Christian witness wrote:
You do not know what you are talking about, you only want to get on the bandwagon that is bad mouthing the witnesses, not this one man.
I know for a fact, no Jehovah's witness, and especially an elder would protect anyone who is guilty of a crime, especially molesting a child.
True Christian Witness The psychological disorder known as “denial”, is the refusal or inability to accept unpleasant reality.

You may fool all of the people some of the time;
you can even fool some of the people all the time;
but you can't fool all of the people all of the time.
ABRAHAM LINCOLN
BUDGIE

UK

#21 Jul 17, 2013
The repeated Denial of JW'S on this forum on the problem of pediophilia and the unjust policy of the cult
leaders ,
shows that they just can't accept that Jehovah's "CLEAN" organisation can decieve them.
This response is not unlike a wife who is deeply suspicious that her husband is unfaithful.
Each sign of his sin causes her emotional turmoil, yet she denies her fear to her friends and even herself.
Many though, have eventualy grasped the nettle and dissassociated themselves from this false religion
because of it's blatant history, which proves that it is Not Gods organisation,
only to be accused of all manner of evil and sin, which is unfortunatly the price they pay for
speaking out agains the the IDOL of the WTBTS.

All religions HAVE tried to cover up pedophilia in their organizations.

The difference between other religions and the JWs from what I have seen, however, is that once
the rug has been turned back and the ugly dirt that was swept under it is exposed, in other religions, the church MEMBERS for
the most part become outraged and demand that their religious organization DO something about it.

They are shocked and appalled and they want to see changes and the pedophiles convicted and gone.
JWs, on the other hand, almost to a man, DEFEND their organization, call the victims liars and
deny that there IS a problem. They vilify the victims and support the pedophiles and the organization
that covered up the crimes for so long.

That is what is most distressing...the reactions of the rank and file JWs. In so many cases where criminal
charges have eventually been brought against molesters, the JWs show us en masse to support the pedophile--

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