Suspended Gouverneur officer was enti...

Suspended Gouverneur officer was entitled to use gas, attorney says

There are 21 comments on the Watertown Daily Times story from Apr 8, 2014, titled Suspended Gouverneur officer was entitled to use gas, attorney says. In it, Watertown Daily Times reports that:

The attorney for suspended Gouverneur village police officer Steven M. Young hammered interim Police Chief Gordon F. Ayen Jr. during an administrative hearing Tuesday about his client's right to take gas from the village tank as the fire department chief.

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Riparian

Springfield, NJ

#1 Apr 9, 2014
How did he hammer him?
Gordo aint on trial.
James

Watertown, NY

#2 Apr 9, 2014
Well, the issue is they said he shouldn't have used the E-2 Key, thats what Gordo said. The problem is the keys are identical, so if he made a mistake and used the wrong key, thats just an accounting error if as they say he was entitled to use the gas anyway.

The gas all comes out of the same tank, so it wasn't stolen. In any other circumstances this would have been adjusted and the employee told to pay more attention to what he was doing.

The village already admitted they have no clue who has what keys here. More and more it sounds like the Mayor should have backed of and not tried to hold Steve responsible for the Mayors problems.
joker

Ithaca, NY

#3 Apr 9, 2014
the only thing that will come out of this is how much the village board , the mayor and gpd look like a bunch of no nothings!!!!
Riparian

Ardsley, NY

#4 Apr 9, 2014
James wrote:
Well, the issue is they said he shouldn't have used the E-2 Key, thats what Gordo said. The problem is the keys are identical, so if he made a mistake and used the wrong key, thats just an accounting error if as they say he was entitled to use the gas anyway.

The gas all comes out of the same tank, so it wasn't stolen. In any other circumstances this would have been adjusted and the employee told to pay more attention to what he was doing.

The village already admitted they have no clue who has what keys here. More and more it sounds like the Mayor should have backed of and not tried to hold Steve responsible for the Mayors problems.
My understanding is that its not hard to identify the e2 key as its suppose to be in the police car, not taken out and carried around for months by a suspended officer.
Then attempt to hide it when a trooper asked for it?
Still sounds like steve is guilty to me.
rofl

Moravia, NY

#5 Apr 9, 2014
why do i get the feeling more than half the people posting on this are steves ravenous family, just making the whole issue more complicated by sreaming that hes a saint. this is what happens when you let families run our town.
Mike M

Ithaca, NY

#8 Apr 9, 2014
Bonzy wrote:
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If you followed the hearing then you would know where the key come from. It did not come from a police car as they all have their own. That was established at the first hearing.
If you was at the hearing you would know they have no idea how many keys there are or who has them. I would be willing to bet that a lot of those unaccounted for keys are now resting on the bottom of the river, dumped there by people who have been walking around with them for years.

The village is AFU.
really

Ithaca, NY

#9 Apr 9, 2014
Can he prove the last time he filled his vehicle at a commercial gas station for his personal use?
Mike M

Ithaca, NY

#10 Apr 9, 2014
really wrote:
Can he prove the last time he filled his vehicle at a commercial gas station for his personal use?
Here is the thing, he doesn't have to prove anything. The village has to prove what it says he did.

They said he stole gas, he already proved he didn't steal it. At most they proved he used the wrong key.

The State Police investigator already daid no one knows who has what keys, so they can't say he stole the key he had.

So all in all, I think the village is in trouble. Ask yourself this, If there was evidence of wrong doing, why wasn't he charged criminally?
key

Utica, NY

#11 Apr 9, 2014
Here's a idea buy a new lock and have two keys that it comes with and have those two keys one locked up in case the other gets lost then have two people pumpin gas so then there's no discrepisy I know its hard to get honest people in this town but this is just a opinion so take it what its worth .
Riparian

Ardsley, NY

#12 Apr 10, 2014
So I missed todays episode of the young and the rest of us, did anything worth a shit happen?
Mike M

Ithaca, NY

#13 Apr 10, 2014
NO, the fire department admitted they have no clue about noting, that they have no wrtten proceures, hat they have no records.
Riparian

Springfield, NJ

#14 Apr 11, 2014
Mike M wrote:
NO, the fire department admitted they have no clue about noting, that they have no wrtten proceures, hat they have no records.
What a fuckedup town
I guess the system is designed to let officials steal and have no way to keep track of anything.
If you were in need you would have everything accounted for and use it carefully.
Gfd is just one more mismanaged entity that wants everyones donations then squanders them.
If you cant tell a theif when its plain as day then youre probly all godamn theives.
Really

Ithaca, NY

#15 Apr 11, 2014
Bonzy wrote:
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If you followed the hearing then you would know where the key come from. It did not come from a police car as they all have their own. That was established at the first hearing.
If the E2 key was only to be used while operating a police vehicle while an officer is on duty, why then did Mr. Young have the key on his person while at home? Why did he try to conceal the key from the investigator who questioned him? Because he knew what he was doing was wrong, and he knew he had been caught. He shouldn't have been in possession of that key and he shouldn't have been using it while off duty.

I'm happy to see that the matter of the stipend is finally on the record. Stipends are meant to compensate an individual for out-of-pocket expenses such as gas. He really shouldn't have been using EITHER key to put gas in his personal vehicle, as he was being repaid for his expenses already.
Curious

Fayetteville, NY

#16 Apr 11, 2014
Really wrote:
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If the E2 key was only to be used while operating a police vehicle while an officer is on duty, why then did Mr. Young have the key on his person while at home? Why did he try to conceal the key from the investigator who questioned him? Because he knew what he was doing was wrong, and he knew he had been caught. He shouldn't have been in possession of that key and he shouldn't have been using it while off duty.
I'm happy to see that the matter of the stipend is finally on the record. Stipends are meant to compensate an individual for out-of-pocket expenses such as gas. He really shouldn't have been using EITHER key to put gas in his personal vehicle, as he was being repaid for his expenses already.
Well it's obvious you didn't go to any of the hearings.
Mike M

Ithaca, NY

#18 Apr 11, 2014
Whell I was there and I herd him say STIPEND. Its a volunteer activity, you cannot pay them, you can only reimburse for expenses.
Riparian

Springfield, NJ

#19 Apr 13, 2014
Chief gets $1300 plus the fire department is allowed to use as much village gas as they need?
Volenteers aye?
opinion

Claremont, NC

#20 Apr 14, 2014
Riparian wrote:
Chief gets $1300 plus the fire department is allowed to use as much village gas as they need?
Volenteers aye?
$1300 a year.....so...who says thats for gas? oil,tires,upkeep,repairs...... ....it takes a lot more than gas to run a truck.(just playing "devils advocate")

personally i think hes guilty but so are about all the other public officials out there.look into it a little and you will be hard pressed to find one who isnt stealing or abusing their position in one way or another.
Riparian

Ardsley, NY

#21 Apr 14, 2014
opinion wrote:
<quoted text>$1300 a year.....so...who says thats for gas? oil,tires,upkeep,repairs...... ....it takes a lot more than gas to run a truck.(just playing "devils advocate")

personally i think hes guilty but so are about all the other public officials out there.look into it a little and you will be hard pressed to find one who isnt stealing or abusing their position in one way or another.
No doubt but a compinsated volunteer
is not a volunteer at all.
opinion

Port Orange, FL

#22 Apr 14, 2014
Riparian wrote:
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No doubt but a compinsated volunteer
is not a volunteer at all.
you are confusing reimbursement with compensation. if one buys a reliable truck and maintains it then uses it to get himself to the location he is doing the volunteer work or running errands for the GVFD . you reimburse him for those expenses. it is not compensation. he volunteered his TIME and LABOR not his truck and money.

now if you have any desire to get me to agree with you stay on the fact he snuck to the pump and used the wrong key to steal gas for his personal use. the only reason to use the GPD key is to not alert the GVFD to the fact he was getting gas as often as he was. as for those on his side dont even bother saying it would be easy to mistakenly use the wrong key. he had no problem determining what key to hand to the SP and what key to "drop" and try to hide from him. in addition to the fact he shouldnt have had the GPD key on his personal keyring in the first place.
Riparian

Ardsley, NY

#24 Apr 14, 2014
opinion wrote:
<quoted text>you are confusing reimbursement with compensation. if one buys a reliable truck and maintains it then uses it to get himself to the location he is doing the volunteer work or running errands for the GVFD . you reimburse him for those expenses. it is not compensation. he volunteered his TIME and LABOR not his truck and money.

now if you have any desire to get me to agree with you stay on the fact he snuck to the pump and used the wrong key to steal gas for his personal use. the only reason to use the GPD key is to not alert the GVFD to the fact he was getting gas as often as he was. as for those on his side dont even bother saying it would be easy to mistakenly use the wrong key. he had no problem determining what key to hand to the SP and what key to "drop" and try to hide from him. in addition to the fact he shouldnt have had the GPD key on his personal keyring in the first place.
You can disagree with me and perhaps I worded it wrong, but when I volunteered I spent my own gas money, wear and tear and time for free and was only compesated by feeling good about helping people who really needed it so sorry, thats how I feel, and reguardless steves a theif, a lier and a sneaky bastard.

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