"Making A Killing:" Scientology Video...

"Making A Killing:" Scientology Video Blasts the Pyschiatry-Drug Industry-FDA Complex

There are 69 comments on the Pharma Marketing Blog story from Nov 25, 2008, titled "Making A Killing:" Scientology Video Blasts the Pyschiatry-Drug Industry-FDA Complex. In it, Pharma Marketing Blog reports that:

I stumbled across "Making A Killing" -- a new video produced by the Citizens Commission on Human Rights , which is a non-profit organization founded in 1969 by the Church of Scientology -- after reading a post ...

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Polly

Ryde, Australia

#1 Nov 25, 2008
http://www.solitarytrees.net/cowen/misc/psywa...
http://video.google.com/videoplay...
http://psychassualt.org/

Shoul;d be no surpeise that someone was basically tricked into their part of the cult's/CCHR's latest attempt at GLOBAL OBLITERATION of all fields of mental health.

Sure, fields of mental health may not be perfect, but at the very least it expands and allows for science based studies and improvement in treatments.

Whereas, scientology/CCHR want to take control and apply hubbard's lunatic pseudosciences that have never stood up to ANY test as being credible

“Proud SP since 2003”

Since: Apr 07

Location hidden

#2 Nov 25, 2008
Polly wrote:
http://www.solitarytrees.net/c owen/misc/psywar.htm
http://video.google.com/videoplay...
http://psychassualt.org/
Shoul;d be no surpeise that someone was basically tricked into their part of the cult's/CCHR's latest attempt at GLOBAL OBLITERATION of all fields of mental health.
Sure, fields of mental health may not be perfect, but at the very least it expands and allows for science based studies and improvement in treatments.
Whereas, scientology/CCHR want to take control and apply hubbard's lunatic pseudosciences that have never stood up to ANY test as being credible
$cientology had 17 days to test Hubbard's lunacy on Lisa McPherson. We all know how successful that was.
tombabcock

King Of Prussia, PA

#3 May 29, 2009
So it is said that psychiaatry "cures" no one. Aside from the few infectious diseases out there, and the injuries such as broken bones, I don't believe the field of medicine proposes to "cure" anything, let along mental illness. Physicians help "manage" conditions like diabetes, high blood pressure, schizophrenia, take your pick. Medicine and pharmaceuticals were largely a development of the 20th Century, and the latter half of that century, to be more precise. So what happened during the late 20th Century? In spite of our eating poorly (processed foods, fewer fresh fruits and vegetables, increased red meat, etc.) and less healthy life styles (car riding couch potatoes working in office cubicles), we are lving longer than ever. Maybe we are getting much better at managing our engrams, or perhaps the medical and pharmaceutical industry are delivering on some of their promises. Oh, but they only do it for the $$ don't they? Ever priced vitamins or supplements at the natural medicine stores?
Polly

Sydney, Australia

#4 May 29, 2009
Cool, I see this thread was resurrected, and the thread is in multiple forums. So, I'lkl take the opportunity to share how scientology's rubbish DVD was recieved by some AU press

http://www.smh.com.au/news/entertainment/peop...

Of course, my post would be laking without testimonial from scientology themselves of the wanting of GLOBAL OBLITERATION of all fields of mental health
http://www.xenu-directory.net/topics/miscavig...
tasha

Whangarei, New Zealand

#5 Apr 10, 2011
re commnet above - Polly
shame you have seen the DVD as rubbish, i wonder what qualifications & expertise you have....
did you even watch the DVD? i think that because the CCHR is founded by church of scientology(COS) its is automatically rejected as sci-fi nonsense. if at all interested in the content - i reckon you should also read 'Anatomy of an epidemic' by Robert Whitaker, who is not COS affiliated in any way
Polly

Sydney, Australia

#6 Apr 10, 2011
tasha wrote:
re commnet above - Polly
shame you have seen the DVD as rubbish,
Not really, when you factor in few things. Firstly, you don't know the history of CCHR, I do
/Tom Cruise voice

Also, it is proven the DVD is full of falsehoods. When it was sent to many Dr's here in Aus, it created some flap for CCHR and their bosses scientology inc

http://www.smh.com.au/news/entertainment/peop...
tasha wrote:
i wonder what qualifications & expertise you have....
The only "qualifications" anyone needs are, to know that CCHR is a proven front group for scientology Inc AND scientology/CCHR's opposition to all fields of mental health are based on the belief of an intergalactic conspiracy dating back trillions(if not QUADRILLIONS!)of years involving "evil psychs".
Scientology/CCHR want to OBLITERATE ALL fields of mental health

http://www.xenu-directory.net/topics/miscavig...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientology_and_...
tasha wrote:
did you even watch the DVD?
Of course, I wouldn't know so much about it if I hadn't.
tasha wrote:
i think that because the CCHR is founded by church of scientology(COS) its is automatically rejected as sci-fi nonsense.
Like I said, CCHR's oppositions are based upon a huge conspiracy across light-years and the Universe, Besides, they're liars
http://www.xenu-directory.net/documents/cchr-...
and conspiracy kooks
tasha wrote:
if at all interested in the content - i reckon you should also read 'Anatomy of an epidemic' by Robert Whitaker, who is not COS affiliated in any way
Why would I want to read an author that has no decent credibility. He holds the same beliefs as Breggin AND Szasz's myth-of-mental-illness nonsense.

Why not read a review of Whiticker's "Mad in America"?

http://www.schizophrenia.com/bookreviews/Madi...

Nice try "tash". I wonder how far back in the back-pages you were sent to drag this thread back to the front page.

Thanks for an opportunity to post moar links. So much for you to "strike an effective blow", eh?

Of course, you're not doing an amends or A-E and just happened upon this rather old and buried thread.

FLUNK
Rocky Ballboa

Fremont, CA

#7 Sep 6, 2011
...ew Polly - I can always tell an ex-staff member who screwed over his group by the dirt that comes out of his/her mouth. What you got going - child porn? Kill someone? What you hiding mate? Not that you'll tell.
On Psychiatry, it speaks for itself and CCHR only turned the cameras the right way, so facts can't be argued with.
sorry girlfriend, your harsh words are obviously an indication of your crimes and I can tell you got some doozies! You may still have a chance tho.
Truth be told, I will still fight for your right to freedom and would die fighting.

“Slick | Just Bill”

Since: Jul 08

Location hidden

#8 Sep 6, 2011
Rocky Ballboa wrote:
...ew Polly - I can always tell an ex-staff member who screwed over his group by the dirt that comes out of his/her mouth. What you got going - child porn? Kill someone? What you hiding mate? Not that you'll tell.
Oh, what FUN! It's the Scientology "Have you raped a baby" attack. Now with insults and denigration.

As a thoroughly indoctrinated Scientologist, you actually BELIEVE that crap, don't you.(Yes, yes, I know you are "not a Scientologist", that's a given).
Rocky Ballboa wrote:
On Psychiatry, it speaks for itself and CCHR only turned the cameras the right way, so facts can't be argued with.
If CCHR actually HAD facts instead of making them up, that might be true. CCHR's made up "facts" are rather well debunked by REAL researchers in that field.
Rocky Ballboa wrote:
sorry girlfriend, your harsh words are obviously an indication of your crimes and I can tell you got some doozies! You may still have a chance tho.
Back to the "baby raper" attack. Hold onto that belief of yours, that only Scientologists are good and only Scientologists are right -- everyone else is EVIL and WRONG (and baby rapers!) Keep holding onto that Service Fac because it's all you've got.
Rocky Ballboa wrote:
Truth be told, I will still fight for your right to freedom and would die fighting.
Um, nice. I'm not sure I believe you based on your rant, but nice thought.
Not Raw Meat

River Falls, WI

#9 Sep 6, 2011
I read somewhere on the internet that during or after WWII, L Ron Hubbard was committed to a psychiatric hospital. There he had illusions that little spiders were crawling all over him (which I have heard is a common hallucination of the mentally ill and those who are detoxing from drugs). Is that where he got his notion of all of those little "thetans"? I also read that because his book on Dianetics was rebuffed by the professional organizations of psychology and psychiatry when it was first published, that he decided to take revenge by attacking all psychiatrists. Is that why scientologists today are so nuts about denigrating psychiatry? Because LRH told them to do that? Can anyone clarify this history for me?
Rocky Ballboa

Fremont, CA

#11 Sep 6, 2011
Not Raw Meat wrote:
I read somewhere on the internet that during or after WWII, L Ron Hubbard was committed to a psychiatric hospital. There he had illusions that little spiders were crawling all over him (which I have heard is a common hallucination of the mentally ill and those who are detoxing from drugs). Is that where he got his notion of all of those little "thetans"? I also read that because his book on Dianetics was rebuffed by the professional organizations of psychology and psychiatry when it was first published, that he decided to take revenge by attacking all psychiatrists. Is that why scientologists today are so nuts about denigrating psychiatry? Because LRH told them to do that? Can anyone clarify this history for me?
There is LOTS of data on the internet and unfortunately you can't trust it all, so you just got to go with what you feel is true. That story sounds ridiculous. There are facts and always seek to live with facts. That's why I don't pay attention to naysayers unless after having thoroughly checked it out I agree or disagree with it. Dianetics was turned down by "professionals" who sought money not cures, since sickness = money for them. Dianetics can cure, but that's not what it is used for. Ron wasn't commited to a psych hospital, but he was wounded at war and did have to stay at Oak Knoll (I believe, not sure of that) and recover. I know that he did lots of research on patients there. All Dianetics research was done and funded by him. A "thetan" is a spirit, or YOU, so I don't know about any little "thetans" and that don't make any sense anyhow.
Seek to live with facts, despite who's saying what. That's for your own good, whatever religion you are in, whatever belief you choose to have.
Rocky Ballboa

Fremont, CA

#12 Sep 6, 2011
Just William wrote:
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Oh, what FUN! It's the Scientology "Have you raped a baby" attack. Now with insults and denigration.
As a thoroughly indoctrinated Scientologist, you actually BELIEVE that crap, don't you.(Yes, yes, I know you are "not a Scientologist", that's a given).
<quoted text>
If CCHR actually HAD facts instead of making them up, that might be true. CCHR's made up "facts" are rather well debunked by REAL researchers in that field.
<quoted text>
Back to the "baby raper" attack. Hold onto that belief of yours, that only Scientologists are good and only Scientologists are right -- everyone else is EVIL and WRONG (and baby rapers!) Keep holding onto that Service Fac because it's all you've got.
<quoted text>
Um, nice. I'm not sure I believe you based on your rant, but nice thought.
Alright then. Over and out.

“Slick | Just Bill”

Since: Jul 08

Location hidden

#13 Sep 7, 2011
Rocky Ballboa wrote:
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Alright then. Over and out.
Aw, did I upset you? You come here hating and insulting people and I point out a few things -- and now YOU'RE upset? Nothing to say?

Stop being so afraid of the facts. Read lots, THEN make up your mind -- don't make up your mind and THEN read what you agree with.

Yes, there is a lot of disturbing information out here. I found it so when I started reading outside of the "allowed" sites. But the answer is to read MORE not less.

Confused as to what is true? Read MORE. Upset by what you read? Read MORE.

“Slick | Just Bill”

Since: Jul 08

Location hidden

#14 Sep 7, 2011
Rocky Ballboa wrote:
<quoted text>
There is LOTS of data on the internet and unfortunately you can't trust it all, so you just got to go with what you feel is true.
Please don't tell me that's your criteria for true and false! "What you feel is true"?

There are much more reliable ways, such as original source documents, court documents, eye-witness accounts, corroborating statements and much more.
Rocky Ballboa wrote:
That story sounds ridiculous. There are facts and always seek to live with facts. That's why I don't pay attention to naysayers unless after having thoroughly checked it out I agree or disagree with it.
The problem with that method is that you are NEVER looking for the truth, you are only looking for what you AGREE WITH. Not good.

You see, many times the truth is something you DON'T like and DON'T "agree with". That's life.
Rocky Ballboa wrote:
Dianetics was turned down by "professionals" who sought money not cures, since sickness = money for them. Dianetics can cure, but that's not what it is used for.
Not true, unfortunately. It would be really nice if Dianetics did what Hubbard originally promised, but that's one of those unpleasant truths. Dianetics doesn't cure anything. It has a "success rate" LOWER than a placebo.

I'm not saying it does nothing, just that it doesn't do what Hubbard promised. As for what it ACTUALLY does, well, use your own experiences for that.
Rocky Ballboa wrote:
Ron wasn't commited to a psych hospital, but he was wounded at war and did have to stay at Oak Knoll (I believe, not sure of that) and recover.
Actual war records from the Navy, released after Hubbard's death, show that Hubbard was NOT wounded, he was not "crippled and blind". He had an ulcer and conjunctivitis. Go look at the source documents. Get the straight facts.
Rocky Ballboa wrote:
I know that he did lots of research on patients there. All Dianetics research was done and funded by him.
There are no records of Ron doing any "research on patients" there. Hubbard, who was rigorous about keeping everything he wrote, kept not one single piece of paper on any "research" done at the hospital.

Given Hubbard's obsession with keeping everything he wrote, the lack of any paperwork would strongly indicate he did NO research.
Rocky Ballboa wrote:
Seek to live with facts, despite who's saying what. That's for your own good, whatever religion you are in, whatever belief you choose to have.
That's good advice. Seek to live with the REAL facts, despite what you WISH the facts were.
SFF

Toronto, Canada

#15 Sep 7, 2011
I always enjoy the claim that Hubbard "funded" research in some way, presumably with the millions he made writing pulp fiction.

Lots of great stuff came out of the pulp era but none of the writers made any money out of it. Heinlein and Asimov were the best of Hubbard's peers and they didn't make any money until some of their books had mainstream success.

Hubbard made good money for the first from Dianetics.
mike

Los Alamitos, CA

#16 Sep 7, 2011
Just want to know what aspect of the DVD has been proven to be untrue? Just name one and we can all look into it and see if it is false. You can start Polly.
mike

Los Alamitos, CA

#17 Sep 7, 2011
Also what is very ironic is that Polly fails to point out is that this blog basically supports the DVD's position stating:

"Last week, the Carlat Psychiatry Blog reported "an FDA advisory committee has accused the agency of doing too little to warn physicians about the dangers of prescribing newer antipsychotics to children" (see here).{link not processed]"

Then the 2nd to the last paragraph states:
"Speaking of FDA Advisory Committees, CCHR points out what we've all been saying for years: these committees are loaded with conflicts of interests -- physicians who have ties to the drug industry who recommend drugs for approval."

Then the blog concludes with this statement: "Neither you nor I may want to further the goals of the Church of Scientology, but it has produced an effective video that is an indictment of the drug industry's too close ties with psychiatrists. I urge you to view this video and get beyond the hype to objectively evaluate some of the issues it raises. It made me rethink a few things."
mike

Los Alamitos, CA

#18 Sep 7, 2011
SFF wrote:
I always enjoy the claim that Hubbard "funded" research in some way, presumably with the millions he made writing pulp fiction.
Lots of great stuff came out of the pulp era but none of the writers made any money out of it. Heinlein and Asimov were the best of Hubbard's peers and they didn't make any money until some of their books had mainstream success.
Hubbard made good money for the first from Dianetics.
How much money did he make? I presume you have that data?
SFF

Toronto, Canada

#20 Sep 7, 2011
mike wrote:
Just want to know what aspect of the DVD has been proven to be untrue? Just name one and we can all look into it and see if it is false. You can start Polly.
The notion that mental diseases aren't real because their categorization is based on criteria determined by bodies of physicians shows a lack of understanding of medicine.

Many illnesses are defined in this way. The point where blood pressure transitions from "normal" to "high" is based on current knowledge of when it becomes a health risk. It has changed in the past and will likely do so again as medicine advances.

Obesity is the same. So is the degree of coronary artery occlusion that gets classified as heart disease.

Many conditions are escalations of issues that many people have. This doesn't mean they aren't real and aren't worth treating.

Likewise, the CCHR highlights suicides by people on anti-depressants but provides no data on how this compares to severely-depressed people who aren't on anti-depressants. That would be a more meaningful number.

How is that for a start?
SFF

Toronto, Canada

#21 Sep 7, 2011
mike wrote:
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How much money did he make? I presume you have that data?
From pulp fiction? Well, he was paid around five cents a word for his writing so that's at best few grand for a novel. In 1947 he tried (successfully) to get his naval pension increased so that's consistent with him not exactly being flush with cash.

As for Dianetics, I believe estimates are that the Hubbard Dianetics Foundation took in over $1M in its first year alone. By the time Hubbard set off for England he had enough money to buy St. Hill Manor.

“Slick | Just Bill”

Since: Jul 08

Location hidden

#22 Sep 7, 2011
mike wrote:
Then the blog concludes with this statement: "Neither you nor I may want to further the goals of the Church of Scientology, but it has produced an effective video that is an indictment of the drug industry's too close ties with psychiatrists. I urge you to view this video and get beyond the hype to objectively evaluate some of the issues it raises. It made me rethink a few things."
The problem with the video and the insanity of the Church of Scientology is that it generalizes from SOME SPECIFIC people who are over-prescribing drugs to the ENTIRE profession.

This is a completely insane reaction but typical of Scientology. SOME psychiatrists are terrible, that's true. SOME Scientologists are terrible, that is also true. Using Scientology's "logic": Because SOME Scientologists are terrible, we should condemn ALL Scientologists and work to ban the practice of Scientology world-wide.

Well, that's exactly what they've done here with psychiatry. It's what YOU are advocating.

What is sauce for the goose is sauce for the gander.

Why not be sane about both groups? If a psychiatrist, or a Scientologist, does terrible things, then bring that SPECIFIC person to justice. Apparently, Scientology cannot work out that bit of sanity.

Here are some ideas:
- Innocent until proven guilty.
- Don't condemn a race, class, religion or profession for the actions of a few.
- If a specific person has committed a crime, see that ONE person is brought to justice and leave the INNOCENT alone.

But, of course, that isn't what Scientology teaches, is it?

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