Democrats Push Hard on Fiscal Deal

Nov 27, 2012 Full story: Roll Call 407

Durbin spoke about the future of Social Security, Medicare and Medicaid on Tuesday but said those discussions should not be part of the fiscal cliff plan.

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#121 Nov 30, 2012
Lawrence Wolf wrote:
<quoted text>For no reason, my arse! Conservatives, at least the ones on Topix, tend to be the most extreme, crude, and bigoted fools imaginable. Many of their slimiest posts deserve to be removed.
As to your assertion that Topix favors liberals, you are delusional. Mindless, revolting righties predominate on Topix.
Look in the mirror Larry,look in the mirror...... Repeat after me,pot meet kettle. I KNEW you could.
proudtobeamerica n

Staten Island, NY

#122 Nov 30, 2012
Lawrence Wolf wrote:
<quoted text>For no reason, my arse! Conservatives, at least the ones on Topix, tend to be the most extreme, crude, and bigoted fools imaginable. Many of their slimiest posts deserve to be removed.
As to your assertion that Topix favors liberals, you are delusional. Mindless, revolting righties predominate on Topix.
Lawrence calm down.

Lets get down to logic and reasoning that should apply to both parties and every individual. Let us both take off the party hats.
The world is so full of needs and wants. Everybody wants something. Some are willing to work for those needs and wants. Some aren't. Fair statement? Some people are jealous, some more than others. Is jealousy a justification for taking?

If you were a parent, you may be, would you encourage your child to believe that he or she was entitled to the toys of another child? In other words would you permit your child who is jealous to act on that jealousy ? Could you justify the taking because you have determined the other child doesn't need the toy or has too many?

In other words Larry, could you justify encouraging your child to steal the toy that doesn't belong to him and convince your child it was OK to do so because it is fair? Is stealing fair Larry?

What if the child who has the toys worked hard and saved their allowance to buy the toys? If your child had no toys, either because you could not provide them or your child wasn't willing to work for an allowance would taking the toys be OK? Is your inability to provide a toy for your child or your childs refusal to work for that toy a justification to take it? I think not.

Let us imagine a running race with 5 competitors. Each of the 5 competitors brings a different skill set to the race. Some have natural ability others do not. Some work extra hard to get faster. They train, they sacrifice. Others don't. In others words, some come to race and others just show up. Someone will win-that is certain. Feelings may be hurt in the end but the losers, at least some of them, will train harder, work harder and compete again. Some will give up-and that is OK too. In the end it will be a good race. May the best man or woman win.

A progressive would tell you that the results must be equal. No one's feelings can be hurt. Eveyone is entitled to feel good about themselves. The fastest person has to run with 20 lb weights strapped to their ankles. The slowest gets a head start. In fact wih enough equalizing the playing field you eventually get a 5 way tie. Everyone gets a medal-even those that really didn't deserve one. What will happen Larry-is eventually the best and fastest will stop competing and what you will be left with is mediocrity and eventually no race at all.

Keep taking from the producers of or society and eventually Larry they will stop producing.

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#123 Nov 30, 2012
We already know, no matter what the republicans do, Obama will do what he did last time. that he got the Speaker to cave. He will then move the goal post or pull up the football like Lucy always does to Charlie Brown, blame the republicans and then drive on off the cliff.

When you have a voting public that believe that republicans want to repo their vagina's and keep them from killing babies then you have to wonder what they won't believe. Indocrtination works.

If we are going off the cliff anyway and are going to get the blame anyway, lets let Obama drive off the cliff, then when the liberals and children that voted for candy get their taxes raised, they will finally become part of america and have some skin in the game.

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Since: Jan 07

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#124 Nov 30, 2012
proudtobeamerica n wrote:
<quoted text>
Lawrence calm down.
Lets get down to logic and reasoning that should apply to both parties and every individual. Let us both take off the party hats.
The world is so full of needs and wants. Everybody wants something. Some are willing to work for those needs and wants. Some aren't. Fair statement? Some people are jealous, some more than others. Is jealousy a justification for taking?
If you were a parent, you may be, would you encourage your child to believe that he or she was entitled to the toys of another child? In other words would you permit your child who is jealous to act on that jealousy ? Could you justify the taking because you have determined the other child doesn't need the toy or has too many?
In other words Larry, could you justify encouraging your child to steal the toy that doesn't belong to him and convince your child it was OK to do so because it is fair? Is stealing fair Larry?
What if the child who has the toys worked hard and saved their allowance to buy the toys? If your child had no toys, either because you could not provide them or your child wasn't willing to work for an allowance would taking the toys be OK? Is your inability to provide a toy for your child or your childs refusal to work for that toy a justification to take it? I think not.
Let us imagine a running race with 5 competitors. Each of the 5 competitors brings a different skill set to the race. Some have natural ability others do not. Some work extra hard to get faster. They train, they sacrifice. Others don't. In others words, some come to race and others just show up. Someone will win-that is certain. Feelings may be hurt in the end but the losers, at least some of them, will train harder, work harder and compete again. Some will give up-and that is OK too. In the end it will be a good race. May the best man or woman win.
A progressive would tell you that the results must be equal. No one's feelings can be hurt. Eveyone is entitled to feel good about themselves. The fastest person has to run with 20 lb weights strapped to their ankles. The slowest gets a head start. In fact wih enough equalizing the playing field you eventually get a 5 way tie. Everyone gets a medal-even those that really didn't deserve one. What will happen Larry-is eventually the best and fastest will stop competing and what you will be left with is mediocrity and eventually no race at all.
Keep taking from the producers of or society and eventually Larry they will stop producing.
Progressives like Larry KNOW about the outcomes cited in your post. They obviously have seen the results you give in other countries where their ideology has been adopted,they just don't care.They just con't care. They are CONVINCED that the reasons their ideology has failed in those other countries is that it hasn't been tried HERE,with THEM in power. They KNOW they can make it work. And they're willing to bet the Constitution on it. What makes it dangerous is that when their kind does get power they tend to abuse it. Stalin,Hitler,Mao,Pol Pot,it doesn't matter the persson-its the ideology,the power to enforce that ideology on others. THAT is the danger.
proudtobeamerica n

Staten Island, NY

#125 Nov 30, 2012
au contraire wrote:
We already know, no matter what the republicans do, Obama will do what he did last time. that he got the Speaker to cave. He will then move the goal post or pull up the football like Lucy always does to Charlie Brown, blame the republicans and then drive on off the cliff.
When you have a voting public that believe that republicans want to repo their vagina's and keep them from killing babies then you have to wonder what they won't believe. Indocrtination works.
If we are going off the cliff anyway and are going to get the blame anyway, lets let Obama drive off the cliff, then when the liberals and children that voted for candy get their taxes raised, they will finally become part of america and have some skin in the game.
Agreed. It is time America paid the piper. The American people need to suffer. Elections do have consequences. Drive this debt ridden wreck of a country off the cliff. Sometimes you need to wreck something and rebuild it. Maybe the moochers of society will pick up some of the slack the next time. The failed ideology of the progressives will go off the cliff as well. No deal with the Democrats. Period.
the rest of us

Saint Paul, MN

#126 Nov 30, 2012
Lawrence Wolf wrote:
<quoted text>For no reason, my arse! Conservatives, at least the ones on Topix, tend to be the most extreme, crude, and bigoted fools imaginable. Many of their slimiest posts deserve to be removed.
Oh up yours Larry you pompous, hypocritical ass. We're not buying your immature BS, save it for your democrat circle jerks.
proudtobeamerica n

Staten Island, NY

#127 Nov 30, 2012
okimar wrote:
<quoted text>Progressives like Larry KNOW about the outcomes cited in your post. They obviously have seen the results you give in other countries where their ideology has been adopted,they just don't care.They just con't care. They are CONVINCED that the reasons their ideology has failed in those other countries is that it hasn't been tried HERE,with THEM in power. They KNOW they can make it work. And they're willing to bet the Constitution on it. What makes it dangerous is that when their kind does get power they tend to abuse it. Stalin,Hitler,Mao,Pol Pot,it doesn't matter the persson-its the ideology,the power to enforce that ideology on others. THAT is the danger.
Agreed. They believe that with just a little more money and time, all of course at the expense of the liberty and freedom of the individual, that they will create their Utopia. 16 trillion isn't enough-they want more. They hate this country. They hate the Constitution. The Constitution limits the power of tyrants. That is why they rewrite it. What they have in common with all the tyrants of 20th century is a loathing for the belief that individual rights are unalienable that are endowed by a Creator. That Creator is replaced by the State. States give and can take away rights. All rights derive from the State and it is the agents of that State that know what is best for the individual. Surrender your liberty and property for the common good. The battle cry of despots and tyrants since the beginning of mankind.

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#128 Nov 30, 2012
proudtobeamerica n wrote:
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Agreed. They believe that with just a little more money and time, all of course at the expense of the liberty and freedom of the individual, that they will create their Utopia. 16 trillion isn't enough-they want more. They hate this country. They hate the Constitution. The Constitution limits the power of tyrants. That is why they rewrite it. What they have in common with all the tyrants of 20th century is a loathing for the belief that individual rights are unalienable that are endowed by a Creator. That Creator is replaced by the State. States give and can take away rights. All rights derive from the State and it is the agents of that State that know what is best for the individual. Surrender your liberty and property for the common good. The battle cry of despots and tyrants since the beginning of mankind.
There will be a reckonng coming. Maybe not in my lifetime but one is coming for the progressives. Our last Civil Wart was to keep the country united. The next will be no different with one exception. To eradicate once and for all,and its adherents,the idea of an all powerful,controlling Central government. Progressivism,started by Democratic President Wilson in the last century has steadily eroded personal liberties a step at a time until now they feel they can with a final push complete their "transformation" of America. For some reason progressivism rooted itself on both coasts but couldn't make the move to the heartland-the "flyover states". Maybe us rural folk aren't as easily duped or are believers in earning your bread by hard work. Not steal it from others.

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#129 Nov 30, 2012
proudtobeamerica n wrote:
<quoted text>
Agreed. It is time America paid the piper. The American people need to suffer. Elections do have consequences. Drive this debt ridden wreck of a country off the cliff. Sometimes you need to wreck something and rebuild it. Maybe the moochers of society will pick up some of the slack the next time. The failed ideology of the progressives will go off the cliff as well. No deal with the Democrats. Period.
It is the only chance our grandchildren will have after our children sold us and them down the river for a few minutes of free candy. Lucy Obama will pull the football on them anytime now.

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Since: Jan 07

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#130 Nov 30, 2012
au contraire wrote:
<quoted text>It is the only chance our grandchildren will have after our children sold us and them down the river for a few minutes of free candy. Lucy Obama will pull the football on them anytime now.
Obama is fast running out of other peoples' money to spend......

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#131 Nov 30, 2012
okimar wrote:
<quoted text>Look in the mirror Larry,look in the mirror...... Repeat after me,pot meet kettle. I KNEW you could.
I looked in the mirror, but I didn't see any right wing crazies. I'll check the local swamp next.

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#132 Nov 30, 2012
proudtobeamerica n wrote:
<quoted text>
Lawrence calm down.
Lets get down to logic and reasoning that should apply to both parties and every individual. Let us both take off the party hats.
The world is so full of needs and wants. Everybody wants something. Some are willing to work for those needs and wants. Some aren't. Fair statement? Some people are jealous, some more than others. Is jealousy a justification for taking?
If you were a parent, you may be, would you encourage your child to believe that he or she was entitled to the toys of another child? In other words would you permit your child who is jealous to act on that jealousy ? Could you justify the taking because you have determined the other child doesn't need the toy or has too many?
In other words Larry, could you justify encouraging your child to steal the toy that doesn't belong to him and convince your child it was OK to do so because it is fair? Is stealing fair Larry?
What if the child who has the toys worked hard and saved their allowance to buy the toys? If your child had no toys, either because you could not provide them or your child wasn't willing to work for an allowance would taking the toys be OK? Is your inability to provide a toy for your child or your childs refusal to work for that toy a justification to take it? I think not.
Let us imagine a running race with 5 competitors. Each of the 5 competitors brings a different skill set to the race. Some have natural ability others do not. Some work extra hard to get faster. They train, they sacrifice. Others don't. In others words, some come to race and others just show up. Someone will win-that is certain. Feelings may be hurt in the end but the losers, at least some of them, will train harder, work harder and compete again. Some will give up-and that is OK too. In the end it will be a good race. May the best man or woman win.
A progressive would tell you that the results must be equal. No one's feelings can be hurt. Eveyone is entitled to feel good about themselves. The fastest person has to run with 20 lb weights strapped to their ankles. The slowest gets a head start. In fact wih enough equalizing the playing field you eventually get a 5 way tie. Everyone gets a medal-even those that really didn't deserve one. What will happen Larry-is eventually the best and fastest will stop competing and what you will be left with is mediocrity and eventually no race at all.
Keep taking from the producers of or society and eventually Larry they will stop producing.
You are making the usual false assumption that those who receive entitlements and other assistance are shiftless, lazy people who want something for nothing. That may explain a tiny handful of abusers of the system. The truth, however, differs from what you imagine. Many millions of people in this country, despite their best efforts, are having trouble making ends meet.
The producers you speak of are doing fine, and will continue to do so. Your mistake, in my opinion, is that you see these other people as parasites, when all many of them need is the basics of life and opportunity. Your "producers" are not a superior species of human. In most cases, they have had the social and economic freedoms that have been denied to those who struggle through life..

I think a lot of this depends on one's world view. As I see it, there are those people who tend toward an "every man for himself" attitude. Then there are others (myself included) who believe people have a moral obligation to look out for one another, and keep their judgements on the back burner.

I'm sure you believe in the concept of personal rsponsibility. I do too, except in cases where people need a hand. I think the American people are at their best when we embrace our similarities, acknowledge our differences, and reach out to one another.
OH NO YOU Did not

Rancho Cucamonga, CA

#133 Nov 30, 2012
Rob Johnston wrote:
<quoted text>
You overestimate today's America.
Americans abandoned all reason and common sense and voted for the guy most likely to wave to them from a Gay Pride Float...the Economy be damned. It's all about priorities.
We ALL need to stop arguing and Embrace the Disgrace. America bought into the far left's mantra of Class Warfare. The majority of voters voted to be less than and deprive our kids of their shot at the American Dream when we chose Obama over Romney.
I truly hope you are wrong on my overestimation or as many others have said our best days are behind us. I can't believe that fact, but I do believe we are on the brink where there will be no much savable for America. I do believe Class warfare is stupid because the real thing is that we need to make the best out of ourselves as a person instead of tearing other people down. Jealousy of rich is a very bad emotion and does not make us any better.
OH NO YOU Did not

Rancho Cucamonga, CA

#134 Nov 30, 2012
Lawrence Wolf wrote:
<quoted text>For no reason, my arse! Conservatives, at least the ones on Topix, tend to be the most extreme, crude, and bigoted fools imaginable. Many of their slimiest posts deserve to be removed.
As to your assertion that Topix favors liberals, you are delusional. Mindless, revolting righties predominate on Topix.
This post proves that liberals can be extremely mean and nasty. Plus as I can see very bigoted and biased. You have obviously skipped over barefoot2626 posts because almost all her posts are about sex and hate. I can name you many more of your fellow liberal posters calling Republicans - retards, Rethuglicans, rednecks and many other denigrating names. I could spends days posting all the nastiness of the liberals, but in the end you will never believe it and it not worth it to prove your idiocy, IMO. BTW, why do you hate so much? Did someone hurt you in your childhood?
OH NO YOU Did not

Rancho Cucamonga, CA

#135 Nov 30, 2012
au contraire wrote:
<quoted text>Operation Geronimo, is Obama's plan to drive us off the cliff. Get your parachute ready.
That is what it looks like to me as his hate for anything American seems to predominate all his policies.
OH NO YOU Did not

Rancho Cucamonga, CA

#136 Nov 30, 2012
au contraire wrote:
We already know, no matter what the republicans do, Obama will do what he did last time. that he got the Speaker to cave. He will then move the goal post or pull up the football like Lucy always does to Charlie Brown, blame the republicans and then drive on off the cliff.
When you have a voting public that believe that republicans want to repo their vagina's and keep them from killing babies then you have to wonder what they won't believe. Indocrtination works.
If we are going off the cliff anyway and are going to get the blame anyway, lets let Obama drive off the cliff, then when the liberals and children that voted for candy get their taxes raised, they will finally become part of america and have some skin in the game.
Yeah, and let Obama show that he was never able to lead nor get along with other Americans that disagree with him and maybe he will stop blaming Bush for all his faults. Let's see if Obama can take responsibility for his horrible policies as we see that what the first Stimulus bill got America - Deeper into debt and nothing else except Pork Barrel projects and back room deals of bridges to nowhere.
OH NO YOU Did not

Rancho Cucamonga, CA

#137 Nov 30, 2012
okimar wrote:
<quoted text>Obama is fast running out of other peoples' money to spend......
Which is the definition of a "socialist", a politician that spends other people's money instead of their own. Notice how they did that with the rich instead of controlling their excessive spending. I admit that all should pay their fair share, but all Obama is up to is attacking people that work hard.
drink The hive

New York, NY

#138 Nov 30, 2012
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Rancho Cucamonga, CA

#139 Nov 30, 2012
Lawrence Wolf wrote:
<quoted text>I looked in the mirror, but I didn't see any right wing crazies. I'll check the local swamp next.
Hate much today?

Since: Dec 07

Spring, TX

#140 Nov 30, 2012
Marine Corp Pat wrote:
<quoted text>
Well that’s why patriotic Americans came out in record numbers to re-elect President Obama with a mandate - to answer all of your questions in due time…
Now would you please STFU, you lost, loser… we’re still celebrating Election Night when we kicked the tea-baggers teeth in, LOL!
Read the news, bozo. He didn't get a mandate, he barely won over half the popular votes and the republicans kept the house. Even many districts where nobama won, republican congressmen won. How many times do you have to be reminded he did NOT recieve a mandate, no matter how many times you claim!!

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