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Supreme Court Will Review DOMA, Prop 8 Challenges

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On December 7, marriage equality proponents heard the news they'd been waiting to hear: that the Supreme Court will review whether the Defense of Marriage Act and California's Proposition 8 violate the Equal Protection clause of the Constitution.

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Since: Jan 08

Defiance, Ohio

#1322 Jan 30, 2013
Wondering wrote:
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They aren't perfect, they make mistakes.
And those mistakes were, what exactly?

Be specific. Cite legal precedents, and do attempt to actually compose a complete paragraph. I don't think you're capable of doing so.

“equality for ALL means ALL”

Since: Jan 07

Fort Lauderdale FL

#1323 Jan 30, 2013
Strel wrote:
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The argument that it can't be "done properly" because "most people" don't like it is nonsense. First of all, you hardly speak for most people. In fact you are losing the debate in the marketplace of ideas out there.
Don't we like local control of schools in this country? Should it then not be left up to local school boards, accountable to their constituents?
Isn't that what happened? Seems to me the system is working as intended, people like you just got outvoted.
Oh, and no particular family's wishes, mores and preferences have to be respected by school boards. See above.
Face it, you are one of the only ones here that sees no educational value in the information, because you are a bigot with an irrational fear and hatred of homosexuality.
It is valuable because homosexuality is fact of life, and has always been. Now, in this time and place, they can live in unprecedented freedom - which is exactly what this country is supposed to be about.
Maybe you should consider living somewhere less free and more...traditional.
perfectly stated.
Wondering

Tyngsboro, MA

#1324 Jan 31, 2013
Tony C wrote:
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I just had a horrible thought: do people like wondering teach their kids about something sexual when they talk about "mommies & daddies?" Because they seem to think any discussion of two adults who love each other involves sex.
There was never a need to talk to my kids about "mommies & daddies"
because everyone has a mommy and a daddy. I never knew or lived near a kid that had same sex parents or guardians. If I did, the likely hood of getting those questions would have been higher. You may not believe this but when two adults love each other sex is often involved. No need to talk about that with kids though.
Wondering

Tyngsboro, MA

#1325 Jan 31, 2013
Strel wrote:
Oh, and no particular family's wishes, mores and preferences have to be respected by school boards.
That's the dumbest thing I've heard today. Hey, I've got an idea for a new first grade reader, tell me what you think. It involves a gay and reality, things you say must be taught to 5 year olds.

This college football player falls for a girl he never met. The girl is really a gay guy that fantasizes about the football player and believes he's in love with him. The gay guy even has a female cousin that calls the football player to ensure he believes the girl is real.
Strel

Tallahassee, FL

#1326 Jan 31, 2013
Wondering wrote:
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That's the dumbest thing I've heard today. Hey, I've got an idea for a new first grade reader, tell me what you think. It involves a gay and reality, things you say must be taught to 5 year olds.
This college football player falls for a girl he never met. The girl is really a gay guy that fantasizes about the football player and believes he's in love with him. The gay guy even has a female cousin that calls the football player to ensure he believes the girl is real.
Schools do not have to accomodate any particular family's wishes, period. If the school board makes its constiuents angry, th remedy is to vote members off it, if they can.

If they can't, well tough titty. Welcome to representative democracy.

Also, I would rather not hear about your hypothetical latent homosexual fantasies, as if this story has any applicabilty here.

Done properly and with age-appropriate material, there is NO reason to hide the existence of homosexuality to children. I've already had this conversation with my own five year old, and got this reaction: "Well that's silly dad. But I guess if it makes them happy...<shrug>."

It's no big deal, unless someone makes it into a big deal. Kids model the behavior of their parents. Shame that your kids will probably turn out to be ignorant bigots in a world that no longer needs such people.

You do them a disservice.
Strel

Tallahassee, FL

#1327 Jan 31, 2013
Wondering wrote:
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There was never a need to talk to my kids about "mommies & daddies"
because everyone has a mommy and a daddy. I never knew or lived near a kid that had same sex parents or guardians. If I did, the likely hood of getting those questions would have been higher. You may not believe this but when two adults love each other sex is often involved. No need to talk about that with kids though.
- not everyone was or is a "mommy or daddy"
- homosexuals have been around as long as we have been a species on this planet.
- you have been surrounded by gay people your whole life, only didn't notice because they have had to hide their identity to protect themselves from assholes like you
- you don't get to personally set school curricula

You don't like it, vote for a fundamentalist teabagging blowhard to be on your school board, and if you lose that vote, suck it up and shut the hell up or move to Iran.

America doesn't want people like you anymore.

“Equality for ALL”

Since: Jul 10

Massachusetts

#1328 Jan 31, 2013
Wondering wrote:
There was never a need to talk to my kids about "mommies & daddies" because everyone has a mommy and a daddy.
NO THEY DON'T!! They may have a sperm or egg donor but those may not be their parent. They are NOT the same thing as who is raising the child.
Wondering wrote:
I never knew or lived near a kid that had same sex parents or guardians. If I did, the likely hood of getting those questions would have been higher.
And this acknowledgement contradicts your assertion above; that everyone has a mommy and a daddy.
Wondering wrote:
You may not believe this but when two adults love each other sex is often involved. No need to talk about that with kids though.
And the schools don't talk about sex when reading 'King and King'. Do they talk about sex if they read 'Cinderella'?

You bemoan books like 'King and King' saying it leads to a discussion of a man 'lusting' after another man. You don't have a problem with Prince Charming 'lusting' after Cinderella. That sir (I use therm term loosely) is hypocrisy.

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Since: Jan 08

Defiance, Ohio

#1329 Jan 31, 2013
Wondering wrote:
There was never a need to talk to my kids about "mommies & daddies"
because everyone has a mommy and a daddy. I never knew or lived near a kid that had same sex parents or guardians. If I did, the likely hood of getting those questions would have been higher. You may not believe this but when two adults love each other sex is often involved. No need to talk about that with kids though.
Wondering, do some children have same sex parents or guardians, yes or no?

Your argument is utterly absurd, and the reality remains, just because something has not been your experience does not make it an immutable truth.

This is not, after all, the United States of Wondering.

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Since: Jan 08

Defiance, Ohio

#1330 Jan 31, 2013
Wondering wrote:
That's the dumbest thing I've heard today.
Well, now that you've spoken, you've heard the dumbest thing you will hear all day.
Wondering wrote:
Hey, I've got an idea for a new first grade reader, tell me what you think. It involves a gay and reality, things you say must be taught to 5 year olds.
Hey, Wondering, you're a little late. This already exists, and apparently, you are too stupid to say why it shouldn't. Gay people exist. Some are raising children. Some children have two moms or two dads. Such a situation is not necessarily the norm, which can lead to, heaven forfend, bullying. In an effort to combat such a possibility, some schools have elected to address the fact that some kids have two dads or two moms, which is simply a fact, before such bullying can occur. YOU have yet to provide ANY reason why that would be unreasonable. You have, on the other hand, offered numerous examples of your irrational bigotry.
Wondering wrote:
This college football player falls for a girl he never met. The girl is really a gay guy that fantasizes about the football player and believes he's in love with him. The gay guy even has a female cousin that calls the football player to ensure he believes the girl is real.
I see your fantasy life is still in order.

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Since: Jan 08

Defiance, Ohio

#1331 Jan 31, 2013
Strel wrote:
Also, I would rather not hear about your hypothetical latent homosexual fantasies, as if this story has any applicabilty here.
Isn't that the very crux of the matter? Namely that a bitter old queen never acted upon their feelings and now feels bitter that others don't have to carry the same burden?
Wondering

Tyngsboro, MA

#1332 Jan 31, 2013
Strel wrote:
1. Also, I would rather not hear about your hypothetical latent homosexual fantasies, as if this story has any applicabilty here.
2. Done properly and with age-appropriate material, there is NO reason to hide the existence of homosexuality to children. I've already had this conversation with my own five year old, and got this reaction: "Well that's silly dad. But I guess if it makes them happy...<shrug>."
3. Kids model the behavior of their parents. Shame that your kids will probably turn out to be ignorant bigots in a world that no longer needs such people.
4. You do them a disservice.
1. They may be your fantasies, I'm just pointing out what gays are pushing on straight families.
2. I agree and have said so. Teaching it to kids is beyond acknowledging existence.
3. Homosexuality never came up when my kids went to school. It seems you are at least as ignorant and bigoted toward people that disagree with you as you think I am. Hilarious.
4. They are doing just fine, I played a major role in that. Hope your kids turn out at least half as well.
Wondering

Tyngsboro, MA

#1333 Jan 31, 2013
Strel wrote:
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1.- not everyone was or is a "mommy or daddy"
2.- homosexuals have been around as long as we have been a species on this planet.
3.- you have been surrounded by gay people your whole life, only didn't notice because they have had to hide their identity to protect themselves from assholes like you
4.- you don't get to personally set school curricula
You don't like it, vote for a fundamentalist teabagging blowhard to be on your school board, and if you lose that vote, suck it up and shut the hell up or
5. move to Iran.
6. America doesn't want people like you anymore.
1. but everyone has one.
2. so have volcanoes, so what?
3. Surrounded? Hahaha, I don't think so. They never had anything to fear, I'm not a bully and I believe strongly in live and let live.
4. It's not a problem here. There really aren't that many fundamentalists out there, why are you ignorant and bigoted toward them?
5. No thanks, I'm for freedom of choice.
6. You speaking for America? BWAHAHAHA! You're the ignorant bigot.
Wondering

Tyngsboro, MA

#1334 Jan 31, 2013
DaveinMass wrote:
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NO THEY DON'T!!
YES THEY DO!!
Wondering

Tyngsboro, MA

#1335 Jan 31, 2013
DaveinMass wrote:
And this acknowledgement contradicts your assertion above; that everyone has a mommy and a daddy.
There are biological parents and then there is everything else. EVERYONE has a biological mother and father. EVERYONE, even you.
Strel

Tallahassee, FL

#1336 Jan 31, 2013
Wondering wrote:
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1. They may be your fantasies, I'm just pointing out what gays are pushing on straight families.
2. I agree and have said so. Teaching it to kids is beyond acknowledging existence.
3. Homosexuality never came up when my kids went to school. It seems you are at least as ignorant and bigoted toward people that disagree with you as you think I am. Hilarious.
4. They are doing just fine, I played a major role in that. Hope your kids turn out at least half as well.
1. You authored the fantasy. Too bad you can't delete it now, eh? Freudian slip? Fantasizing about football players? I've always heard the worst homophobes were actually gay - thanks for validating the theory.
2. Unless you can show us what specifically you think should or should not be included in the material, you argument that no information about should be given at all holds no water. It's based entierly in your prejudice - you want NO information whatsoever.
BTW, there's a First Amendment issue in there too. Good luck with that, you will be losing that case as well.
3. So because it has not been done before, it cannot be done? Why not? I am bigoted against dishonest idiots that don't know the law and have no understanding of civil rights. I am allergic to stupid and you make me want to eat a bag of Benadryl. Your abuse of what you call logic is offensive.
4. We'll see, won't we? Perhaps they turned out well in spite of having you as a parent.

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Since: Jan 08

Defiance, Ohio

#1337 Jan 31, 2013
Wondering wrote:
Teaching it to kids is beyond acknowledging existence.
Of course, you have yet to provide any proof of this assertion that would prove it is the case. What is more, you have yet to provide ANY correlation whatsoever between same sex marriage and school curricula that would render such an argument relevant.
Wondering wrote:
1. but everyone has one.
Wondering, are some children raise by two moms, or two dads, yes or no?
Wondering wrote:
2. so have volcanoes, so what?
Funny, kids learn about volcanos in school.
Wondering wrote:
3. Surrounded? Hahaha, I don't think so. They never had anything to fear, I'm not a bully and I believe strongly in live and let live.
You are a bull each and every time you argue for a fellow American to have less than equal protection of the law.
Wondering wrote:
4. It's not a problem here. There really aren't that many fundamentalists out there, why are you ignorant and bigoted toward them?
Says the bigot.
Wondering wrote:
5. No thanks, I'm for freedom of choice.
But not for homosexuals.
Wondering wrote:
6. You speaking for America? BWAHAHAHA! You're the ignorant bigot.
Wondering, you frequently argue for fellow citizens to be held as second class citizens with less than equal protection of the law. To do so is bigoted. It shows a fundamental lack of understanding of American values, and the guarantees of the US constitution. Thank you for concretely illustrating once again that you are a bigot, that you are ignorant, that you are unintelligent, and quite frankly you are hateful.
Wondering wrote:
There are biological parents and then there is everything else. EVERYONE has a biological mother and father. EVERYONE, even you.
That is true, however that was never in question.

The question is, is everyone raised by their biological parents?

Are some children raised by only one parent?

Are some children raised by legal guardians?

Are some children raised by two same sex parents?

Do you have even a modicum of intelligence?
Strel

Tallahassee, FL

#1338 Jan 31, 2013
Wondering wrote:
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1. but everyone has one.
2. so have volcanoes, so what?
3. Surrounded? Hahaha, I don't think so. They never had anything to fear, I'm not a bully and I believe strongly in live and let live.
4. It's not a problem here. There really aren't that many fundamentalists out there, why are you ignorant and bigoted toward them?
5. No thanks, I'm for freedom of choice.
6. You speaking for America? BWAHAHAHA! You're the ignorant bigot.
1. In a genetic sense this is true. Outside of that, it is not always true. Fail argument.

2. And we teach about geology too.

3. More than you could possibly realize, I expect. You are not the kind of person a gay person would come out to.

4. Because they work very hard to deny civil rights to others, and I do what I can to oppose them. They are not real Americans, they are authoritarians.

5. You are? Then you support the rights of gays to marry each other, or is it that you are only for choices of which you personally approve?

6. I do, and this country is leaving people like you behind. People like you often try to wrap themselves in the flag while they wipe their ass with the Constitution of the United States.
Wondering

Tyngsboro, MA

#1339 Jan 31, 2013
Strel wrote:
<quoted text>
1. You authored the fantasy. Too bad you can't delete it now, eh? Freudian slip? Fantasizing about football players? I've always heard the worst homophobes were actually gay - thanks for validating the theory.
2. Unless you can show us what specifically you think should or should not be included in the material, you argument that no information about should be given at all holds no water. It's based entierly in your prejudice - you want NO information whatsoever.
2a. BTW, there's a First Amendment issue in there too. Good luck with that, you will be losing that case as well.
3. So because it has not been done before, it cannot be done? Why not? I am bigoted against dishonest idiots that don't know the law and have no understanding of civil rights. I am allergic to stupid and you make me want to eat a bag of Benadryl. Your abuse of what you call logic is offensive.
4. We'll see, won't we? Perhaps they turned out well in spite of having you as a parent.
1. I authored nothing, it was some gay guy that pretended to be a woman so he could pretend to be romantically involved with a college football star. Do you read the news?
2. I've given you the titles to some of the books, what more do you need?
2a. Yes, it protects religious freedom without government interference. That should guarantee an opt-out for parents who don't want their kids reading gay stories.
3. You are bigoted toward people who want choice. To people that want to instill their values and religion in THEIR kids.
4. Or because of it.

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Since: Jan 08

Defiance, Ohio

#1340 Jan 31, 2013
Wondering wrote:
1. I authored nothing, it was some gay guy that pretended to be a woman so he could pretend to be romantically involved with a college football star. Do you read the news?
2. I've given you the titles to some of the books, what more do you need?
2a. Yes, it protects religious freedom without government interference. That should guarantee an opt-out for parents who don't want their kids reading gay stories.
3. You are bigoted toward people who want choice. To people that want to instill their values and religion in THEIR kids.
4. Or because of it.
Have you always been a lunatic? How long have you had an obsession with all things homosexual?
Wondering

Tyngsboro, MA

#1341 Jan 31, 2013
Strel wrote:
<quoted text>
1. In a genetic sense this is true. Outside of that, it is not always true. Fail argument.
2. And we teach about geology too.
3. More than you could possibly realize, I expect. You are not the kind of person a gay person would come out to.
4. Because they work very hard to deny civil rights to others, and I do what I can to oppose them. They are not real Americans, they are authoritarians.
5. You are? Then you support the rights of gays to marry each other, or is it that you are only for choices of which you personally approve?
6. I do, and this country is leaving people like you behind. People like you often try to wrap themselves in the flag while they wipe their ass with the Constitution of the United States.
1. Then you don't understand what a biological parent is. I'm hoping you know where babies come from?
2. Do straight families object?
4. That is what they are trying to accomplish with 5 and 6 year old kids. The "authoritarians" in the classroom.
5. I don't support anything that is used as a reason to legitimize brainwashing little kids.
6. The First Amendment guarantees religious freedom without government interference, why are you wiping your ass with that?

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