Gov eyes CORI reform

Gov eyes CORI reform

There are 60 comments on the Lowell Sun story from Jul 28, 2009, titled Gov eyes CORI reform. In it, Lowell Sun reports that:

Pushing a controversial plan to tighten access to criminal records, Gov. Deval Patrick testified yesterday before a legislative committee in favor of reforming the state's CORI laws, as he looks to shake off troubling new poll numbers that show his re-election chances in serious jeopardy.

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Mink

Haverhill, MA

#49 Jul 28, 2009
Devil: hate to tell you this, but you're a one-termer based on taxes and expanding the welfare class. And, perverts are people, too!
True Blue

Billerica, MA

#50 Jul 28, 2009
it is sex offenders wrote:
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"IF they are caught again"? Would you be willing to offer up one of your family members for this little social experiment? I'm not!
Show me some proof that kids are being prosecuted more now than ever. From what I've seen, kids get away with a hell of a lot more than we ever did. You had better check your facts.
I've seen with my own 2 eyes. Go to the court house in Lowell and see some of these charges against teens. I'm not saying they are false charges, just that when I was a teen and growing up in a family of boys, the cops brought us home, now they are arresting the kids. Not saying they are wrong, just stated that maybe it's because parents aren't punishing the kids like they did when I was a teenager.

I think your taking my post the wrong way. I was just replying when you said
" Funny how he forgot to mention the offenders convicted of sex crimes who are fortunate enough to have been blessed by a liberal leaning judge. I guess they are special."
All I was stating for the ones who got a liberal judge, if caught again, hopefull they would get a judge who would throw the book at them.
From what I have read, sex offenders (level 1 & 2)who have to register, are registered for life. I really don't see in this article where that would change. That also goes for Murder, voluntary and involuntary manslaughter, it would stay on their record for life.
True Blue

Billerica, MA

#51 Jul 28, 2009
I meant level 2 & 3 sex offenders have to register for life.
Kevin

Dracut, MA

#52 Jul 28, 2009
Patrick checked the polls. The only people who he has over 50% with is cons, ex cons, an future cons.
I can't get a job because I have three arrests for drug dealing and they hired someone who is not an ex drug dealer wawawawa.
I have a fool proof method for not getting arrested three times for selling drugs.
DON'T SELL DRUGS

“Hard Working NOLA dude”

Since: Jan 08

Lowell Massachusetts

#53 Jul 28, 2009
APM wrote:
the thing that needs to be changed most about the CORI records is for people accused of crimes, that were found not guilty or had the charges dropped. The way the system works right now if you are arraigned for a crime, then it shows up on your CORI whether you committed said crime or not. So if you get accused of domestic abuse by a crazy spouse, you'll be arraigned, when they investigate further and find it unfounded and drop the charges your arraignment will still show up on a CORI check. Most employers aren't going to care if the charges were dropped or not, they're going to see that and steer clear of it
you are totally correct about that one. The reason why that information remains intact is so that civil watchdog organization claim that it is necessary to view statics on convictions and acquittals. I don't agree with that and i too feels that this information should only be revealed upon conviction of a crime.
Musty Mike

Jamaica Plain, MA

#54 Jul 28, 2009
So Professor Gates would have a DOC on his record for 10 years if the charge stuck (I am no big fan). A worthy civil act of disobedience (choose one of your political leaning)like a sit-in resulting in a simple trespass charge ends up on a CORI report preventing employment. Disturbing the Peace because the cop did not like getting lip keeps you from renting an apartment. Don't keep bringing up sex offenders as why CORI does not need to be fixed.
it is sex offenders

Tewksbury, MA

#55 Jul 28, 2009
Musty Mike wrote:
So Professor Gates would have a DOC on his record for 10 years if the charge stuck (I am no big fan). A worthy civil act of disobedience (choose one of your political leaning)like a sit-in resulting in a simple trespass charge ends up on a CORI report preventing employment. Disturbing the Peace because the cop did not like getting lip keeps you from renting an apartment. Don't keep bringing up sex offenders as why CORI does not need to be fixed.
Right because sex offenders wouldn't slip through the loopholes meant for the Professor Gates of the state! It's reckless laws like these that allow dangerous criminals access to more victims. It needs to be discussed, Mike...Sorry if you don't like it.
Solon-O-Solon

Methuen, MA

#56 Jul 28, 2009
These are bandaids on a criminal court system that is hopelessly corrupt and criminal, and at the service of those with influence.

The American court system is systematically CORRUPT, CRIMINAL and RACIST, and the new generation of FLUNKY AFFIRMATIVE ACTION LAWYERS, JUDGES AND OTHER SO-CALLED PROFESSIONALS LIKE GOVERNOR DEVAL PATRICK, CORRECTIONS COMMISIONER HAROLD CLARKE, HHHS SECRETARY JUDYANN BIGBY, DCF COMMISSIONER ANGELO MCLAIN, JUDGES CHARLES SPURLOCK, KENNETH DESMOND, AND ROBERT BAYLOR, AND OTHERS ARE PLAIN UNPROFESSIONAL TRASH WITH LITTLE CIVIC AND PUBLIC MINDENDES BUT INTERESTED IN SELF-SERVICE, THEIR POLITICAL CAREERS AND THEIR POCKETS.

If they had any true civic spirit they would focus on the root causes of FALSE CORI RECORDS AND FRAUDULENT CONVICTIONS, but they have little interest in substantive justice. They are also INEPT anyhow.

The experience with Professor Gates and Sgt. Crowley just showed us that we need more reliable means, for instance, to determine whether a cop's report is valid or not, AND MOST SUCH REPORTS ARE NOT.

Most prosecutors, including the clown Gerard Leone, are mostly dirty politicians and truly criminals who often maliciously and/or capriciously prosecute or not prosecute. It is a very diseased system, as an attorney was quoted recently in the Boston Globe.

Unfortunately, it is said that A PEOPLE GETS THE LEADERSHIP THAT IT DESERVES, I don't know about the readers, but I deserve competent, honest and industrious leadership, AND WE DON'T HAVE IT. Mediocrity is the order of the day in this CORRUPTOCRACY of ours: the rule of the most corrupt.
Musty Mike

Jamaica Plain, MA

#57 Jul 28, 2009
Huh?? You did not get my point did you. Arguing that sex offenders records will be sealed so don't reform CORI is a non-argument. Provisions will be made to prevent that as should be made for all violent crime offenders. BTW: Urinating in public or mooning someone is technically a Level 3 sex crime.
Solon-O-Solon

Methuen, MA

#58 Jul 28, 2009
"Employers are entrusted with keeping all of their employees and the public safe, and I believe they should be armed with the information they need to do that," Leone said in a statement to The Sun.

If that is so, why are you clown prosecuting, KNOWINGLY PROSECUTING SOME INNOCENT INDIVIDUALS SOLELY TO SCORE POLITICAL POINTS, AND WORSE?- CRIMINAL HOODLUM!

One of your main tools is a court system whose records have no integrity and which are modified at will - both paper records and audio records. And you know that some of your ADAs knowingly LIE in court and refuse to play by the rules of evidence and other court rules, and unfortunately there are trashy judges like Kenneth Desmond (A THUG) who play along to build his social network and influence.
it is sex offenders

Tewksbury, MA

#59 Jul 28, 2009
Musty Mike wrote:
Huh?? You did not get my point did you. Arguing that sex offenders records will be sealed so don't reform CORI is a non-argument. Provisions will be made to prevent that as should be made for all violent crime offenders. BTW: Urinating in public or mooning someone is technically a Level 3 sex crime.
Provisions will not be made, read the posts above and read the Governor's legislation. As for people convicted of urinating in public being level 3 offenders, you have NO CLUE, and here's why. Indecent exposure isn't even considered a sex crime Massachusetts, it takes a second or subsequent conviction for open and gross lewdness before you can be considered a sex offender in Mass AND judges still have discretion over whether or not a person has to register.

Mike,STOP spreading misinformation in a lame attempt to prove your point

The legislation in its current form allows perverts to fall through the cracks, it's a concern.

By the way... If you don't commit a crime you will never have a CORI. Oh my, there's a thought!

Solon-O-Solon

Methuen, MA

#60 Jul 28, 2009
To: It is sec offenders # 59 re.
"By the way... If you don't commit a crime you will never have a CORI. Oh my, there's a thought!"

That's is a bunch of baloney! You are naive, or a fool, or a liar, or you erred (as in shot from the hip); but such proposition in UNEQUIVOCALLY FALSE.
True Blue

Billerica, MA

#61 Jul 29, 2009
it is sex offenders wrote:
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Provisions will not be made, read the posts above and read the Governor's legislation. As for people convicted of urinating in public being level 3 offenders, you have NO CLUE, and here's why. Indecent exposure isn't even considered a sex crime Massachusetts, it takes a second or subsequent conviction for open and gross lewdness before you can be considered a sex offender in Mass AND judges still have discretion over whether or not a person has to register.
Mike,STOP spreading misinformation in a lame attempt to prove your point
The legislation in its current form allows perverts to fall through the cracks, it's a concern.
By the way... If you don't commit a crime you will never have a CORI. Oh my, there's a thought!
You seem to like blowing things out of proportion. If a sex offender has to register for life, it will never come off their CORI. Do you think if this passes that all the sex offenders will suddenly have clean records?
What this will do is give people who don't re offend a chance to be able to get a job and rent apartments. Murder, voluntary and involuntary manslaughter, and sex offenses punishable by incarceration in state prison will remain on a criminal's permanent record. How hard is that to understand.

If if you have been convicted of certain sexual offenses against children, or if you have been convicted of a sexually violent offense or other sex crimes with mandatory lifetime registration, you must register for life.
Townie

Rumford, RI

#62 Jul 29, 2009
APM wrote:
the thing that needs to be changed most about the CORI records is for people accused of crimes, that were found not guilty or had the charges dropped. The way the system works right now if you are arraigned for a crime, then it shows up on your CORI whether you committed said crime or not. So if you get accused of domestic abuse by a crazy spouse, you'll be arraigned, when they investigate further and find it unfounded and drop the charges your arraignment will still show up on a CORI check. Most employers aren't going to care if the charges were dropped or not, they're going to see that and steer clear of it
You are so dead-on-the-money with your analysis. People come to my law office all of the time asking about sealing criminal records because CORI entries are affecting their ability to get jobs or coach kids and sealing right now is a difficult thing to do -even if the person has a dismissal or a not guilty on their CORI.

Most employers look at it as the police wouldn't arrest someone if they didn't do it rather than look at it as the court wouldn't dismiss it or a jury find the person not guilty if there was a case there.

And anybody that has had anything to do with the CJ system for even the most brief period of time knows damn well that some police officer make bad arrests - that is a fact of life -and some complaining witnesses lie - that is a fact of life too.

This CORI reform should be done and done soon.
Townie

Rumford, RI

#63 Jul 29, 2009
it is sex offenders wrote:
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Provisions will not be made, read the posts above and read the Governor's legislation. As for people convicted of urinating in public being level 3 offenders, you have NO CLUE, and here's why. Indecent exposure isn't even considered a sex crime Massachusetts, it takes a second or subsequent conviction for open and gross lewdness before you can be considered a sex offender in Mass AND judges still have discretion over whether or not a person has to register.
Mike,STOP spreading misinformation in a lame attempt to prove your point
The legislation in its current form allows perverts to fall through the cracks, it's a concern.
By the way... If you don't commit a crime you will never have a CORI. Oh my, there's a thought!
it is sex offenders wrote:
<quoted text>
Provisions will not be made, read the posts above and read the Governor's legislation. As for people convicted of urinating in public being level 3 offenders, you have NO CLUE, and here's why. Indecent exposure isn't even considered a sex crime Massachusetts, it takes a second or subsequent conviction for open and gross lewdness before you can be considered a sex offender in Mass AND judges still have discretion over whether or not a person has to register.
Mike,STOP spreading misinformation in a lame attempt to prove your point
The legislation in its current form allows perverts to fall through the cracks, it's a concern.
By the way... If you don't commit a crime you will never have a CORI. Oh my, there's a thought!
If you don't commit a crime, you will never have a CORI? Are you serious with that statement? I sure hope not, because if you are, all all of the good points you made in your previous posts are for naught - your credibility is shot.

Maybe you should do a little reading up on The Innocence Project and about all of those people who spent years languishing in prisons for crimes that they actually did NOT commit - they didn't just have a CORI, they spent countless years in jail until they were exonerated. And recently a number of them have been from Massachusetts.

So what do you tell them? Oops, tough sneakers. Think carefully before you make a statement such as you did. There are two sides to every story.

it is sex offenders

Tewksbury, MA

#64 Jul 29, 2009
Townie wrote:
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If you don't commit a crime, you will never have a CORI? Are you serious with that statement? I sure hope not, because if you are, all all of the good points you made in your previous posts are for naught - your credibility is shot.
Maybe you should do a little reading up on The Innocence Project and about all of those people who spent years languishing in prisons for crimes that they actually did NOT commit - they didn't just have a CORI, they spent countless years in jail until they were exonerated. And recently a number of them have been from Massachusetts.
So what do you tell them? Oops, tough sneakers. Think carefully before you make a statement such as you did. There are two sides to every story.
And now your credibility is shot. We cannot base our laws around a small group of falsely accused, or convicted criminals. If people are going to you to have their records sealed then the system is already working. Clean it up and keep the information public as it was meant to be.

Innocent until proven guilty doesn't mean the person is completely innocent, it just means the DA's office didn't have enough evidence to prove a case. Maybe it's time for Massachusetts to do a study on recidivism rates among the wrongly or falsely accused and convicted. I'm willing to bet there will be a pattern there.

Disgruntled

Lowell, MA

#65 Jul 29, 2009
Again I wish people would spend more time using the internet for what its actually for instead of using the lowell sun as its one source of information.

The Actual Bill House No.4476

http://www.mass.gov/legis/bills/house/185/ht0...

Page 1.4th Paragraph:
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Sex Offenses will not be eligible for sealing.
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Tony

Tewksbury, MA

#66 Jul 29, 2009
Leave CORI the way it is. The public deserves to be protected to the fullest extent. Even that's a joke in this state with the lib judges we have on the bench.
NOCORIATALL

United States

#69 Aug 3, 2009
Before you hard line knee jerk "hang 'em all" types rev yourselves up to do your bit for "justice", inform yourselves. Let me give you just a few real life things to "think" about. A CORI results from ANY arrest, conviction or not! What happens if you're arrested and the charges are proven FALSE? What if your funds run out before trial and you need to settle for Pre-trial probation (not a guilty verdict) just to end months of legal expense? What if the "crime is a misdemeanor? Would you seriously advocate branding someone for 10 years under these circumstances? A CORI sheet requires a lawyer to even interperet! Employers will therefore reject a job seeker for merely having a CORI (better to be safe?) There are 50,000 misdemeanor violations on the Massachusetts books. Also How many motivations are there for false accusers to use the justice system and CORI as a weapon (divorce, domestic disputes, custody battles, wills, business partnerships etc...)? There is more injustice being created by this mob-rule Scarlet Lettering law than justice. There are those who seek only to excuse their crimes and you will not rid yourseleves of these with 1Mil more laws. There are far many more caught in circumstance who live in fear of what this law does to them for 10 years.
Frank

Lowell, MA

#70 Aug 3, 2009
Musty Mike wrote:
BTW: Urinating in public or mooning someone is technically a Level 3 sex crime.
No it isn't

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