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Victims 'told not to report' Jehovah's Witness child abuse

There are 214 comments on the BBC News story from Nov 19, 2017, titled Victims 'told not to report' Jehovah's Witness child abuse. In it, BBC News reports that:

Children who were sexually abused by Jehovah's Witnesses were allegedly told by the church not to report the crimes. Victims from across the UK told the BBC they were routinely abused and that the religious organisation's own rules protected perpetrators.

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Citizen

Montréal, Canada

#1 Nov 19, 2017
Children who were sexually abused by Jehovah's Witnesses were allegedly told by the church not to report the crimes.

Victims from across the UK told the BBC they were routinely abused and that the religious organization's own rules protected perpetrators.

One child abuse lawyer believes there could be thousands of victims across the country who have not come forward because of the "two witness" rule.

http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-42025255

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#2 Nov 20, 2017
I don't believe that story.

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Spike

Morris Plains, NJ

#3 Nov 20, 2017
Nomi wrote:
I don't believe that story.
Why you should believe that story old lady. Because You and your husband did the same exact thing. Your husband's best friend was a molester, and you both lied to cover for him. And you bragged about it.

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#4 Nov 20, 2017
This is not new. History repeats the mindless child abuse in this evil and wicked religion.

Since: Jan 12

Scottsdale, AZ

#5 Nov 20, 2017
Nomi wrote:
I don't believe that story.
translation:......... nomi doesn't care if its true..........reporting child rape to the police brings reproach on jehovah's witnesses, so its best to hush up the children.
The Bible Student

Bartlesville, OK

#6 Nov 20, 2017
Any witness who deliberately covers over a crime, and child abuse is a crime, should be exposed as the hypocrite he or she is, should receive a trial, conviction and prison time.

The Bible teaches, Nothing hidden, will stay hidden before the end of this ungodly world, every fake Christian, no matter what Church you belong to, will be exposed as hypocritical.

Jesus taught....Stop judging+ that you may not be judged; 2 for with the judgment you are judging, you will be judged,+ and with the measure that you are measuring out, they will measure out to you.+ 3 Why, then, do you look at the straw in your brother’s eye but do not notice the rafter in your own eye?+ 4 Or how can you say to your brother,‘Allow me to remove the straw from your eye,’ when look! a rafter is in your own eye? 5 Hypocrite! First remove the rafter from your own eye, and then you will see clearly how to remove the straw from your brother’s eye. Matt. 7

Since: Jan 12

Scottsdale, AZ

#7 Nov 20, 2017
The Bible Student wrote:
Any witness who deliberately covers over a crime, and child abuse is a crime, should be exposed as the hypocrite he or she is, should receive a trial, conviction and prison time.

The Bible teaches, Nothing hidden, will stay hidden before the end of this ungodly world, every fake Christian, no matter what Church you belong to, will be exposed as hypocritical.
well, we should definitely throw the jw gov body and their lawyers in jail then......... thanks.
BUBBA will help them understand about their application of the TWO WITNESS RULE.

gee, probably about the blood rule too.......... it could get really bloody

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#8 Nov 20, 2017
The JWs legalistic insistence of the two-witness rule for child abuse is certainly a misapplication of Bible guidance.

The two-Witness rule is utilized to confuse children and to stifle accusations from young, innocent victims.

Small victimised children cannot usually bring the allegation themselves and they deserve and should be provided extra protection.

To insist on a strict two witness policy in situations involving defenceless children is an unrealistic Pharisaical policy.

When God came to earth as Jesus, He denounced fanatical adherence to the law at the sacrifice of higher principles of love and mercy.

He graphically demonstrated law does not override humanity by healing a man's withered hand on the Sabbath.

Applying the two-witness rule to pedophile accusations is a case of fanatical adherence to the letter of the law, so denounced by Jesus.

“Let God's kingdom come”

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#9 Nov 20, 2017
Zildjian wrote:
The JWs legalistic insistence of the two-witness rule for child abuse is certainly a misapplication of Bible guidance.

The two-Witness rule is utilized to confuse children and to stifle accusations from young, innocent victims.

Small victimised children cannot usually bring the allegation themselves and they deserve and should be provided extra protection.

To insist on a strict two witness policy in situations involving defenceless children is an unrealistic Pharisaical policy.

When God came to earth as Jesus, He denounced fanatical adherence to the law at the sacrifice of higher principles of love and mercy.

He graphically demonstrated law does not override humanity by healing a man's withered hand on the Sabbath.

Applying the two-witness rule to pedophile accusations is a case of fanatical adherence to the letter of the law, so denounced by Jesus.
Not true, but then it could be that you think it's ok to stone people as the Jews did to Stephen and others. They had two witnesses.

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#10 Nov 20, 2017
You sure use:[ it could be ] and [ maybe ] a lot.

I believe stoning is too kind for JW pedophiles!

It was not until the late 1990s, particularly since 1997, that Watchtower made attempts at policy improvement regarding child abuse, following legal and media pressure. However, the July 2015 Australian Royal Commission into Institutional Responses to Child Sexual Abuse showed that Watchtower policies still fall woefully short of accepted best practice.

In the 2002 May 24 Letter to Elders, after ongoing negative publicity, Watchtower came to the conclusion that the two-witness rule could now be Scripturally fulfilled when accusations came from two separate incidents, a tacit admission that their strict adherence to the two-witness principle had not been Jehovah's requirement after all. This still falls short, as surely a single accusation should count when supported by corroborating evidence, such as of a medical nature.

The two witness rule is a Biblical guideline that was not expected to apply in every situation. For instance, Deuteronomy explains that when a girl is raped in a field with no one to hear or protect her, other witnesses were not required to convict the rapist.

Fear of bringing reproach on Jehovah's name has been used to dissuade use of legal and court systems.

"Loyalty to Jehovah God will also keep us from doing anything that would bring reproach upon his name and Kingdom. For example, two Christians once got into such difficulty with each other that they improperly resorted to a worldly law court. Certainly, the course of loyalty to Jehovah God is to suffer personal loss rather than bring reproach upon Jehovah and his organization." Watchtower 1996 Mar 15 p.15

The issue here is not the name of Jehovah, but the reputation of the Watchtower Organization. People do not blame God when a Witness molests a child. If blame is attributed to anyone other than the perpetrator, it is directed towards the rules and regulations of the Watchtower Society.

Of most concern to the general public should be that Witness pedophiles are expected to go preaching to the houses of strangers.

House-to-house preaching is considered a key requirement for salvation, and a person is only counted as an active Jehovah's Witness if they submit field service reports.

In 2002, NBC aired on Dateline a program explaining that a householder had no way of knowing if the Jehovah's Witness on their doorstep,(or having a bible study with your child in your house) is a child molester.

As early as 1997 the Watchtower showed it understood pedophiles are likely to reoffend, yet still it encourages such people to go preaching to the doors of strangers.

“Let God's kingdom come”

Since: Sep 15

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#11 Nov 20, 2017
We preach because that is what we want to do once we know what the Bible really says. Anyone can preach anywhere. You are saying that if the law were in your hands, you'd just kill a child molester, yes the crime is terrible, but you would not need two witnesses, is that it?
Bobby

Clinton Township, MI

#12 Nov 20, 2017
PrufSammy wrote:
<quoted text>

Not true, but then it could be that you think it's ok to stone people as the Jews did to Stephen and others. They had two witnesses.
People like him like to throw the word pharisaical around like it applies to the two-witness rule.

In short, all civilized societies have a two-witness rule, which essentially means establishing guilt with corroborating evidence. The Bible condemns punishment without proof.

The rule has nothing to do with reporting crimes. Members and their families can report crimes as they deem necessary. It has only to do with whether or not someone is disfellowhipped.

But even those facts will not keep these lairs from playing ignorant of what it is or deceitfully misrepresenting it to the public.
Bobby

Clinton Township, MI

#13 Nov 20, 2017
Zildjian wrote:
You sure use:[ it could be ] and [ maybe ] a lot.

I believe stoning is too kind for JW pedophiles!

It was not until the late 1990s, particularly since 1997, that Watchtower made attempts at policy improvement regarding child abuse, following legal and media pressure. However, the July 2015 Australian Royal Commission into Institutional Responses to Child Sexual Abuse showed that Watchtower policies still fall woefully short of accepted best practice.

In the 2002 May 24 Letter to Elders, after ongoing negative publicity, Watchtower came to the conclusion that the two-witness rule could now be Scripturally fulfilled when accusations came from two separate incidents, a tacit admission that their strict adherence to the two-witness principle had not been Jehovah's requirement after all. This still falls short, as surely a single accusation should count when supported by corroborating evidence, such as of a medical nature.

The two witness rule is a Biblical guideline that was not expected to apply in every situation. For instance, Deuteronomy explains that when a girl is raped in a field with no one to hear or protect her, other witnesses were not required to convict the rapist.

Fear of bringing reproach on Jehovah's name has been used to dissuade use of legal and court systems.

"Loyalty to Jehovah God will also keep us from doing anything that would bring reproach upon his name and Kingdom. For example, two Christians once got into such difficulty with each other that they improperly resorted to a worldly law court. Certainly, the course of loyalty to Jehovah God is to suffer personal loss rather than bring reproach upon Jehovah and his organization." Watchtower 1996 Mar 15 p.15

The issue here is not the name of Jehovah, but the reputation of the Watchtower Organization. People do not blame God when a Witness molests a child. If blame is attributed to anyone other than the perpetrator, it is directed towards the rules and regulations of the Watchtower Society.

Of most concern to the general public should be that Witness pedophiles are expected to go preaching to the houses of strangers.

House-to-house preaching is considered a key requirement for salvation, and a person is only counted as an active Jehovah's Witness if they submit field service reports.

In 2002, NBC aired on Dateline a program explaining that a householder had no way of knowing if the Jehovah's Witness on their doorstep,(or having a bible study with your child in your house) is a child molester.

As early as 1997 the Watchtower showed it understood pedophiles are likely to reoffend, yet still it encourages such people to go preaching to the doors of strangers.
Where did you cookie cut this from?

I can you you are parroting the part about rape, as you missed the fact that circumstances can serve as a second witness.

For example, a man is suspected of cheating on his wife. He is never seen sleeping with the woman, yet, he is seen leaving her home after telling his wife he was at the office working late.

That is strong circumstantial evidence that establish his guilt.

So in your point about rape, the victim proved an unwilling participant, and so that satisfied the requirement. The circumstance dictated the outcome.

So JWs do not require what we would call hard evidence to find someone guilty. All situations are not the same and neither are all circumstances.
Bobby

Clinton Township, MI

#14 Nov 20, 2017
Zildjian wrote:
Of most concern to the general public should be that Witness pedophiles are expected to go preaching to the houses of strangers.
Yes, let us deny normalcy to people who have ALREADY PAID their debt to society. Let us not allow them to be around STRANGERS at work, in the groceries stores, at the movies, on the bus, in the casinos, at a restaurant, in their neighborhood, because they are always casing out new victims and should have to pay forever.

Yes, let us strike irrational fear in our communities that every person to ever be accused of child abuse is always looking for their next victim, casing YOUR house, looking for YOUR children.

Forget helping them break free of their problem. Make them pay forever, or better still, let us sell this narrative of fear and hate just so I can sleep better at night knowing I got back at Watchtower.

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#15 Nov 20, 2017
Nomi wrote:
I don't believe that story.
Good...some of those who were identified will visit with you personally and show you the way to GOD........imbecile...

“Let God's kingdom come”

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#16 Nov 20, 2017
Bobby wrote:
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People like him like to throw the word pharisaical around like it applies to the two-witness rule.

In short, all civilized societies have a two-witness rule, which essentially means establishing guilt with corroborating evidence. The Bible condemns punishment without proof.

The rule has nothing to do with reporting crimes. Members and their families can report crimes as they deem necessary. It has only to do with whether or not someone is disfellowhipped.

But even those facts will not keep these lairs from playing ignorant of what it is or deceitfully misrepresenting it to the public.
That is what I have observed as well.

“Let God's kingdom come”

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#17 Nov 20, 2017
Bobby wrote:
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Yes, let us deny normalcy to people who have ALREADY PAID their debt to society. Let us not allow them to be around STRANGERS at work, in the groceries stores, at the movies, on the bus, in the casinos, at a restaurant, in their neighborhood, because they are always casing out new victims and should have to pay forever.

Yes, let us strike irrational fear in our communities that every person to ever be accused of child abuse is always looking for their next victim, casing YOUR house, looking for YOUR children.

Forget helping them break free of their problem. Make them pay forever, or better still, let us sell this narrative of fear and hate just so I can sleep better at night knowing I got back at Watchtower.
A sincerely repentant abuser will know that he can NEVER go alone to anyone in that type of setting. Just as an alcoholic knows he should not take home a bottle of wine or liquor or go into a bar with friends.

Since: May 16

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#18 Nov 20, 2017
Bobby wrote:
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Yes, let us deny normalcy to people who have ALREADY PAID their debt to society. Let us not allow them to be around STRANGERS at work, in the groceries stores, at the movies, on the bus, in the casinos, at a restaurant, in their neighborhood, because they are always casing out new victims and should have to pay forever.

Yes, let us strike ic in our communities that every person to ever be accused of child abuse is always looking for their next victim, casing YOUR house, looking for YOUR children.

Forget helping them break free of their problem. Make them pay forever, or better still, let us sell this narrative of fear and hate just so I can sleep better at night knowing I got back at Watchtower.
It is not irrational fear but common sense to protect those who cannot protect themselves.
Every state in America has an abuser data base that can be accessed on the computer , so knowing where the abusers are is not irrational but common sense for a pedophile cannot change and will always be a danger as they charm their way into access to children.

From Harvard Medical School

There is no cure, so the focus is on protecting children.

Pedophilia, the sexual attraction to children who have not yet reached puberty, remains a vexing challenge for clinicians and public officials. Classified as a paraphilia, an abnormal sexual behavior, researchers have found no effective treatment. Like other sexual orientations, pedophilia is unlikely to change. The goal of treatment, therefore, is to prevent someone from acting on pedophile urges — either by decreasing sexual arousal around children or increasing the ability to manage that arousal. But neither is as effective for reducing harm as preventing access to children, or providing close supervision.

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#19 Nov 20, 2017
PrufSammy wrote:
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A sincerely repentant abuser will know that he can NEVER go alone to anyone in that type of setting. Just as an alcoholic knows he should not take home a bottle of wine or liquor or go into a bar with friends.
There is no such thing as a sincere repentant pedophile for a pedophile will abuse over and over.
An alcoholic does not sexual abuse children so you are mixing apples and oranges.

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#20 Nov 20, 2017
PrufSammy wrote:
We preach because that is what we want to do once we know what the Bible really says. Anyone can preach anywhere. You are saying that if the law were in your hands, you'd just kill a child molester, yes the crime is terrible, but you would not need two witnesses, is that it?
You believe you know what the bible says. You do not!

Please point out where I said I would kill anyone.

Why do you misrepresent?

If you knew what the bible really says would you post lies?

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