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Trayvon Martin Shooting Death Sparks Outrage on Social Media

There are 66307 comments on the Wall Street Journal story from Mar 22, 2012, titled Trayvon Martin Shooting Death Sparks Outrage on Social Media. In it, Wall Street Journal reports that:

Social media has put the spotlight on the story Trayvon Martin , an unarmed African-American teenager who was shot to death last month by a neighborhood watch captain in Florida.

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Ascendo Tuum

Grimsby, Canada

#58130 May 2, 2013
thebuzz wrote:
<quoted text>I just can't believe how ridiculous you are! Z followed him for a few seconds for the purpose of providing information on his whereabouts. He stopped as soon as the dispatcher told him, "we don't need you doing that". Zimmerman said he lost him and that was that. There was no stalking, following, harassing or anything. Martin had more than enough time to go home so obviously he wasn't fearful in the least. It was dark and Zimmerman was meeting the police by the back gates and on his way he was jumped by Martin and beaten to a bloody pulp. No one came to his aid as he was screaming for help. There was definitely some monkey business going on by his house because the kid had to have witnessed the entire thing. Strange daddyo had no clue about the activities that occurred right outside his door. Very suspicious.
Really?? Ole GI Janie didn't know the name of one of three streets in the gated community where he lived for THREE FCUKING YEARS?? ROTFALMFAO!!! oh and guess what!! IT HAPPENED TO BE THE STREET HE LIVED ON!!! ROTFALMFAO!!! Funny... that had the cops snickering too.

Ole GI Janie, in his initial statement said that Travyon jumped out at him from some bushes. He stated it THREE TIMES to detective Singleton on 2/26.... yet... the police pointed out to him THERE WERE NO FCUKING BUSHES. Ooooops!

Beaten to a bloody pulp you say?? Heh heh heh!!! Not from the arrest pictures I saw. And funny.... how Trayvon's body was found a significant distance from Janie's car. Didn't follow him?? Ya... right!
Yeah

Honolulu, HI

#58131 May 2, 2013
Yeah Son wrote:
<quoted text> So you finally admit in a chicken shit way that George is GUILTY.
What do you mean "finally?" I don't think the prosecution will be able to get a conviction on 2nd degree murder.
Ascendo Tuum

Grimsby, Canada

#58132 May 2, 2013
downhill246 wrote:
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Yet when all is said and done the facts still support self defense.
No they don't.... Janie's statements have so many inconstancies... so many illogical statements it's incredible!
Yeah

Honolulu, HI

#58133 May 2, 2013
chris532008 wrote:
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it is a rights issue, the right of the people to be secure in their person and property, zimmerman had the right to observe, not be physically assaulted and to protect himself from that assault, zimmerman was protecting the property in the area against the activities of the thugs, true, police should have been doing their job and we should not be in this state of anarchy, but we are and it is those like zimmerman that assist at times
You have to remember that right is a two way street.

Right now Zimmerman supporters present it as a one way street based on the "last man standing" scenario.

Police were doing their job. You have to remember. This was a private gated community.

Still, I don't know what you're point is.
Ascendo Tuum

Grimsby, Canada

#58134 May 2, 2013
downhill246 wrote:
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If he punched Zimmerman in the face and broke his nose. Martin certainly did something illegal. Florida law says one must believe they were in serious danger of grievous bodily harm or death to use deadly force. Even if the prosecution shows that despite the beating Zimmerman wasn't in danger of grievous bodily harm or death, that isn't good enough. They must convince the jury that Zimmerman didn't believe he was in danger of grievous bodily harm or death. How do they do that? Let's face facts Zimmerman was pleading for help for a bit over forty seconds while Martin tried to bang his head on the ground which should convince most any one on the jury that his belief was justified.
If a round is chambered you just pull the trigger on the Kel Tec and it is such a small handgun that it would not be that difficult to get out of a belt holster even in that situation.
Well, when someone points a gun at you... I do believe that would qualify, in any jury's mind, as "belief they were in serious danger of grievous bodily harm or death". Thank you... you just pointed out Trayvon was well within his rights to defend himself.
Yeah

Honolulu, HI

#58135 May 2, 2013
thebuzz wrote:
<quoted text> Beating up a resident is most certainly illegal! Media racism may work on the gullible and stupid but not everyone is there yet.
I have absolutely no doubt in the world that the street fighting football player was stronger than the out of shape nearly 30 year old man. Are you high?
And yet no one initially identified Zimmerman as the block captain or by name.

It's nice you have no doubt son. Unfortunately for you, it's not admissible in this case.
Yeah

Honolulu, HI

#58136 May 2, 2013
chris532008 wrote:
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if the prosecutor approaches you with a plea bargain, you know you have won and want to go forward, if they had a case they don t offer a plea bargain, that would be dumb indeed. unless they accepted some graft
Really? Wow.
Ascendo Tuum

Grimsby, Canada

#58137 May 2, 2013
downhill246 wrote:
<quoted text>
If he punched Zimmerman in the face and broke his nose. Martin certainly did something illegal. Florida law says one must believe they were in serious danger of grievous bodily harm or death to use deadly force. Even if the prosecution shows that despite the beating Zimmerman wasn't in danger of grievous bodily harm or death, that isn't good enough. They must convince the jury that Zimmerman didn't believe he was in danger of grievous bodily harm or death. How do they do that? Let's face facts Zimmerman was pleading for help for a bit over forty seconds while Martin tried to bang his head on the ground which should convince most any one on the jury that his belief was justified.
If a round is chambered you just pull the trigger on the Kel Tec and it is such a small handgun that it would not be that difficult to get out of a belt holster even in that situation.
Ole GI Janie pleading for help??!!! Nope... two independent audio forensic experts have already concluded with out doubt that the person pleading for help on the 911 tape was NOT GI Janie. This isn't even up for debate anymore.... it's FACT.
Yeah

Honolulu, HI

#58138 May 2, 2013
chris532008 wrote:
<quoted text> death from a fight would never show intent unless a written history of the two would indicate several confrontations in the past, you lack an understanding of law
Which 'law' are you referring to here son?
Ascendo Tuum

Grimsby, Canada

#58139 May 2, 2013
Leadville Lou wrote:
<quoted text>
Lying sack of shit and imbecile, assault is a felony, Traygone the thug got what he deserved, I would have emptied the magazine into his ugly face when he lifted his arm to hit me.
but... self defense isn't, jackazz
Yeah

Honolulu, HI

#58140 May 2, 2013
chris532008 wrote:
<quoted text>
you must be a street criminal, come on come clean now
What does my stating a fact have to deal with your personal claim son?

Ran out of facts?
Ascendo Tuum

Grimsby, Canada

#58141 May 2, 2013
Leadville Lou wrote:
Execute this Traygone look alike:
Judge: Nathan Dunlap to face execution on week ...- The Denver Post
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10 hours ago – A judge on Wednesday set Aug. 18-24 as the week in which Nathan Dunlap should be executed for killing three teenagers and their ...
Any similarity to the Zimmerman/Martin case is strictly in the feeble mind of the poster.
Yeah

Honolulu, HI

#58142 May 2, 2013
chris532008 wrote:
<quoted text>
true, an unloaded weapon will get you killed, when the thug sees your weapon he won t ask if it is loaded he will just kill you
lol! Well gee son, if you're telling the truth and Zimmerman is telling the truth on this point...

.... why is Zimmerman still alive even WITH a loaded weapon????

And as one poster already pointed out, the weapon could already have had one in the chamber!

Uh oh... looks like your personal opinions are unraveling the case for you!
Ascendo Tuum

Grimsby, Canada

#58143 May 2, 2013
chris532008 wrote:
<quoted text>
it is a rights issue, the right of the people to be secure in their person and property, zimmerman had the right to observe, not be physically assaulted and to protect himself from that assault, zimmerman was protecting the property in the area against the activities of the thugs, true, police should have been doing their job and we should not be in this state of anarchy, but we are and it is those like zimmerman that assist at times
'cept, Christine, there's enough physical evidence and enough inconsistencies in GI Janie's multiple versions of his statement to indicate that's NOT how it went down.
Yeah

Honolulu, HI

#58144 May 2, 2013
Truth wrote:
<quoted text>
Already explained. Just over your head son. Maybe you should find a topic on cartoons. You might have something to offer there son.
And this continues to be your claim.

It's beginning to be clear you're not sure of what you're talking about.
Ascendo Tuum

Grimsby, Canada

#58145 May 2, 2013
chris532008 wrote:
<quoted text>
is "son" like a period in your language
At least he uses one.
Yeah

Honolulu, HI

#58146 May 2, 2013
Truth wrote:
<quoted text>
When dispatcher said we don't need you to do that he said ok. Not illegal to follow anyway. It is illegal to attack a person and break their nose , and attempt to kill them by bashing their head on the sidewalk. Someone just might shoot you.
Son, the point that was being made was Zimmerman was "looking" for an address.

Well, unfortunately for you and your lack of comprehension, that's not what Zimmerman claimed.

You people really need to stick to the facts instead of trying to make things up as you go along. It doesn't make you look too bright... no, not bright at all...
downhill246

Boca Raton, FL

#58147 May 2, 2013
Ascendo Tuum wrote:
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Uhhh... they are extremely reliable.... 99% reliable. Used in court cases all the time.
Actually they are not reliable.

Dr. James Wayman, a San Jose State University expert in the field of speech science, told The Daily Caller that he questions the grounds on which Owen based his analysis.

Wayman also said he would be willing to testify against the admissibility of Owen’s findings on the grounds that they don’t meet the criteria required for evidence in federal courts.

“There is no history of, or data on, the comparison of a questioned scream to a known speech sample,” Wayman said.

The problem, he said, is that the two voice samples were recorded in difficult acoustic conditions over different cell phones.

“Even if we were to have Mr. Zimmerman recreate the scream under identical conditions with the same cell phone,” Wayman explained,“it would be difficult to attribute the scream to him without a sample of a similar scream from Mr. Martin under the same conditions. This is clearly not possible.”

Reached for comment, Owen told The DC that he has conducted his own study —“The Owen Study”— of more than 400 different pitches, screams, and voice disguises. The study is unpublished.

He explained that he has attempted, without success, to obtain a “voice exemplar” from Zimmerman, consisting of recordings of both his speaking voice and a scream.

And Wayman, he said,“assumes that the voice software is not able to make a determination on each voice independently.”

Wayman fired back in a later email exchange.“There is no accepted standard regarding metrics for voice comparisons,” he insisted,“either if done forensically or using automated comparisons."

Read more: http://dailycaller.com/2012/04/06/voice-foren...

The Sentinel also contracted with Ed Primeau, a trained audio engineer and registered investigator whose expert testimony has been used in dozens of criminal court proceedings. Primeau used a more intuitive approach to determine that Zimmerman was not the person heard screaming on the 911 call.

“That’s a young man screaming,” Primeau told the Sentinel.

Comparing the human voice to a symphony full of varying timbres, Primeau wrote on his blog that the “male voice yelling for help … cracks like teen male’s does when going through puberty.”

Dr. Philip Rose of the Australian National University told TheDC that scientific experts refer to Primeau’s method as “naïve voice recognition.” His influential 2002 book Forensic Speaker Identification draws a major distinction between naïve and “technical forensics” voice recognition.

“Naïve voice recognition is so prone to error that it is acknowledged that it is worthless as evidence,” Rose said via email.

A forensic expert’s job, he said, is to assess the strength of evidence, not to estimate the probability of a hypothesis. And “the value of the evidence depends … on the similarity of the samples.”

Read more: http://dailycaller.com/2012/04/06/voice-foren...
Yeah

Honolulu, HI

#58148 May 2, 2013
Truth wrote:
<quoted text>
You're so ignorant it's a amusing. You obviously have very little knowledge of legal procedure and the law. It's never to late to go back to school. You should give it a try. After you take some law classes get back with me and you might have something to offer. For now your just an idiot but entertaining.
Well son, you keep 'acting' like you know the law and legal system and yet, the only support you provide is... nothing! Just your word and everything stops.

It's as if it's magic!
Ascendo Tuum

Grimsby, Canada

#58149 May 2, 2013
chris532008 wrote:
<quoted text>
if the prosecutor approaches you with a plea bargain, you know you have won and want to go forward, if they had a case they don t offer a plea bargain, that would be dumb indeed. unless they accepted some graft
'cept dumbazz... the defense can try and negotiate a plea bargain. Waiving the SYG hearing tells me that the GI Janie defense team is in shambles.

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