Dumler Trial Date Set

A trial date has been set for the case to remove an Albemarle County Supervisor from power. Full Story
GreeneGhost

Charlottesville, VA

#24 Apr 2, 2013
sez you wrote:
There should be no trial. if the PEOPLE want him gone then he should go,period. Leaving this up to a judge who may have questionable ethics himself is bogus. The PEOPLE should decide.
Va. Code 24.2-233 is the only procedure available in this circumstance to remove someone from elected office and it calls for a trial. If "the PEOPLE" otherwise want him gone, they will have to re-elect someone else when the time comes.
Leans to the right

Charlottesville, VA

#25 Apr 2, 2013
curious wrote:
The signatures of the 600 petition signatories have not been verified. The hearing was held today without verification of signatures. Very possible the number of signatures of district voters will be less than 600.
Also, per my question above. The plaintiff in this lawsuit is the Socttsville Magisterial District. WHO is speaking as the plaintiff?
Only something like 375 or so valid signatures are required, so hopefully after the invalid or illegible petitions are disallowed, there should be enough. I think the Commonwealth's Attorney represents our district in this effort. Ordinarily that would be Denise Lunsford, but because she has a personal relationship with Dumler she recused herself (she and Dumler threw a party at the Tri-County Riding Club last November while he was released from jail waiting his first trial -- interesting that one of the conditions of his release was "no alcohol" yet the party featured "Bloody Marys, Mimosas, and Fall Themed Beers"). I think the Commonwealth's Attorney from Lynchburg is standing-in as the special prosecutor.
GreeneGhost

Charlottesville, VA

#26 Apr 2, 2013
Iceman wrote:
How much will THIS trial cost the taxpayers???
Under Va. Code 24.2-238, the cost of the proceeding and Dumler's attorney's fees MAY become the responsibility of Albemarle County if the petition is denied, which is very likely under Va. Code 24.2-333. If Dumler - the respondent in this case - is somehow removed from office, the costs are borne by the court. In no circumstance does the person who gathered the signatures for the petition and filed it become responsible for the costs of the trial.
Amanda

Charlottesville, VA

#27 Apr 2, 2013
Check out the smug wink and smile from Dumler at the 1:00 marker in the video report. Classic narcissism.

His political career is toast no matter what happens. He won't be able to get elected for so much as Dog Catcher ever again, thanks to the internet.

And we've still yet to see what JAG is going to do to him.
wiley1894

Charlottesville, VA

#28 Apr 2, 2013
Seems to me that he is better qualified to serve(?)
in D.C. politics or the national arena of the senate or house of representatives where arrogance, morality, and honesty have nothing to do with the job after you get there.....UVA Law School should be proud---another graduate who believes he is immortal.
Leans to the right

Charlottesville, VA

#29 Apr 2, 2013
Amanda wrote:
And we've still yet to see what JAG is going to do to him.
The UCMJ is very specific and very punitive. He could get anything from an Aggravated Sexual Assault conviction (30 in prison) down to Wrongful Sexual Conduct (one year in prison). A dishonorable discharge applies to any conviction, too. Just look up an Article 120 in the UCMJ (Uniform Code of Military Justice). Even though his crime occurred while not on active duty, the UCMJ still applies to him as an Army Officer. Even if the petition to remove him fails, his troubles are far from over.
Former frat brat

Chevy Chase, MD

#30 Apr 2, 2013
Leans to the right wrote:
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The UCMJ is very specific and very punitive. He could get anything from an Aggravated Sexual Assault conviction (30 in prison) down to Wrongful Sexual Conduct (one year in prison). A dishonorable discharge applies to any conviction, too. Just look up an Article 120 in the UCMJ (Uniform Code of Military Justice). Even though his crime occurred while not on active duty, the UCMJ still applies to him as an Army Officer. Even if the petition to remove him fails, his troubles are far from over.
Dishorable discharge yes.... double jepardy no... no jail time...
Leans to the right

Charlottesville, VA

#31 Apr 2, 2013
Former frat brat wrote:
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Dishorable discharge yes.... double jepardy no... no jail time...
Sorry, but this is not double-jeopardy. The military has its own rules. At the very least he'll get a dishonorable discharge. It is quite possible he'll get a little something more.
I knew it

Charlottesville, VA

#32 Apr 2, 2013
Where is the "held held high" and clean cut preppy guy we saw several months ago? Seems like those weekends in the pokie and this heavy weight is beginning to take its tolls on Dumler. At least he still has that nifty sweater and tie going on though it's not as popping at his usual red.

Soon enough, we will finally be done with him and he can go elsewhere.
Patti

Martinsville, VA

#33 Apr 2, 2013
He probably has Narcissistic Personality Disorder, why else would someone convicted of such a nasty crime think he has the right or community support to stay in such a position? Does anybody really want a person with no character or morals representing them? Haha wow!
Paying Attention

Lexington, VA

#34 Apr 2, 2013
curious wrote:
The signatures of the 600 petition signatories have not been verified. The hearing was held today without verification of signatures. Very possible the number of signatures of district voters will be less than 600.
>>> 372 registered voters from the Scottsville district need to be certified.
Also, per my question above. The plaintiff in this lawsuit is the Socttsville Magisterial District. WHO is speaking as the plaintiff?
>>> Counsel speaks for the plaintiff.
Scottsville Resident

Charlottesville, VA

#35 Apr 2, 2013
Esmont wrote:
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What are you smoking? Who are these "PEOPLE" you speak of? The "PEOPLE" who signed the petition to remove him? The "PEOPLE" who didn't sign the petition to remove him? Your ISP tagged you as from Waterford, about 150 miles from the district full of "PEOPLE" who elected Dumler. What's your interest here? What do you have against the legal system and its machinations? Why shouldn't there be a trial? Because you say so?
Let me tell you a little something, from within the Scottsville district no less. We are sick and tired of having "PEOPLE" from the outside tell us what we should or shouldn't do about Dumler.
If you are loacted in the Scottsville District, then why are you using the name of Esmont, which is not in the District?
DirtKicker

Palmyra, VA

#36 Apr 2, 2013
This guy is trolling the entire county. To me, this is hilarious!
Crozet Resident

Charlottesville, VA

#37 Apr 2, 2013
Patti wrote:
He probably has Narcissistic Personality Disorder, why else would someone convicted of such a nasty crime think he has the right or community support to stay in such a position? Does anybody really want a person with no character or morals representing them? Haha wow!
You are so right. I also would like to know why he is fighting so hard to stay in a position where he is NOT valued and NO one respects him!!
Virginia Pollack

Martinsville, VA

#39 Apr 2, 2013
Goodness Amanda! He did wink. Who winks anymore? If you read The Hook article, it says a woman yelled at him "Don't wink at me!" I'm not a young person, and even I know that winking is so 1960s. Chris Dumler, please don't do that at women. It is demeaning. You have already proven yourself a "cad" (another term you agreed with), and a sexual batterer. You rolled your eyes at those girls testifying before you at the board of supervisors meeting and a girl got so mad she swore at you. Sometimes I think group therapy with all women would be good for you. Go home to Georgia, Chris, and talk with your mother. Tell her all the mean stuff everyone says about you and see what she thinks. Whenever my kids need direction, they come to me. Go to her Chris. You need to take care of yourself, and learn how to treat women in the right manner, before you can move on with your life. Please do not mistreat women any longer, and that includes winking and threatening and cheating and abusing. Please Chris.
twinmom

Charlottesville, VA

#40 Apr 2, 2013
gotta know wrote:
is this the same Earl Smith that goes by Mr. Crazyhead? No doubt the same Earl Smith that owned a business/nightclub on Rio Road several years back--Always trouble at his nightclub. Then he opened up another night spot on Preston--Always trouble there also. Seems trouble follows him, but now he's pulled his hair back and trying to act like he knows what's best for Albemarle County. As a Scottsville resident-who did not vote for Dumler-I would never sign Earl Smith's petition....Just because.
How is ANY of that relevant, true or not? All that matters is that at least 10% of the voters in the last election signed the petition, and THEY want Dumler removed. Now it is up to the judge to decide whether we should have to tolerate a man who is guilty of sexual assault as a member of the BOS.
GreeneGhost

Charlottesville, VA

#41 Apr 2, 2013
twinmom wrote:
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How is ANY of that relevant, true or not? All that matters is that at least 10% of the voters in the last election signed the petition, and THEY want Dumler removed. Now it is up to the judge to decide whether we should have to tolerate a man who is guilty of sexual assault as a member of the BOS.
Actually it is up to the judge to decide whether or not Dumler CAN be removed for three distinct and specific reasons under Va. Code 24.2-233, none of which apply in this case. Accordingly, the petition must be denied, by law, and that is what will occur.

Since a petition has been filed, there must be a hearing on the matter, but the judge's hands are pretty much tied on this one. While it may prove interesting as to what bill of particulars the special prosecutor comes up with, it must state matters that conform with the existing law, not prattle about issues not provided for by the Virginia Code.

Perhaps, the law will now be changed, but whatever a new law may cover will not apply to Dumler.
Harry

Charlottesville, VA

#42 Apr 3, 2013
GreeneGhost wrote:
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Actually it is up to the judge to decide whether or not Dumler CAN be removed for three distinct and specific reasons under Va. Code 24.2-233, none of which apply in this case. Accordingly, the petition must be denied, by law, and that is what will occur.
Since a petition has been filed, there must be a hearing on the matter, but the judge's hands are pretty much tied on this one. While it may prove interesting as to what bill of particulars the special prosecutor comes up with, it must state matters that conform with the existing law, not prattle about issues not provided for by the Virginia Code.
Perhaps, the law will now be changed, but whatever a new law may cover will not apply to Dumler.
"misuse of office" in Va. Code 24.2-233 seems relevant here. Pretty broad. Just give the Judge enough info. to let him do what he wants to do.
GreeneGhost

Charlottesville, VA

#43 Apr 3, 2013
Harry wrote:
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"misuse of office" in Va. Code 24.2-233 seems relevant here. Pretty broad. Just give the Judge enough info. to let him do what he wants to do.
Unless his crime involved a direct connection of his office in the commission of it, then, no, such a stretch would not fly, because the legislature, when crafting the original law, would not have specified the crimes it did.
Cvillian

Martinsville, VA

#44 Apr 3, 2013
To all of you citing the staute, it all comes down to whether or not he has shown neglect and that his job as supervisor has been materially adversely effected. He tries to say that his legal problems haven't effected his role as supervisor. But ince his arrest, he hasn't had a single townhall meeting, his tweets have all but dried up, his official supervisor's facebook posts likewise, he cancelled all his appearances for 20 days after 2 days in jail due to his arrest, he resigned from all his boards committees and commissions so no meetings for those, no fundraisers, in fact, from weeks before his arrest through Dec 31, 2012, he raised NO money at all. This has been going on now for 6 months, that's ONE THIRD the amount of time he's been in office! For 4 months, he has to spend 28% of his time in jail, and a lot of time and money on legal defense, court-ordered psychologist visits...it just goes on and on. How can he claim his arrest and conviction and jail time has not caused him to neglect his role as supervisor? It's there in black & white, online, in the print media, broadcast on radio & TV. You can actually measure the negative adverse effect this has had on his job as supervisor.

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