Profile of a Pedophile: Does Michael ...

Profile of a Pedophile: Does Michael Jackson fit?

There are 64778 comments on the crime.about.com story from Dec 9, 2008, titled Profile of a Pedophile: Does Michael Jackson fit?. In it, crime.about.com reports that:

Pedophiles can be anyone -- old or young, rich or poor, educated or uneducated, non-professional or professional, and of any race. However, pedophiles often demonstrate similar characteristics, but these are merely indicators and it should not be assumed that individuals with these characteristics are pedophiles. But knowledge of these characteristics coupled with questionable behavior can be used as an alert that someone may be a pedophile.

[The part about Stockholm Syndrome is VERY interesting indeed... -ek.]

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“at yet more f'loonspin”

Since: Aug 11

I live far away from f'loons

#66878 Sep 21, 2013
Pishpash1234 wrote:
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Where are these girls, and why has there never been a single record of MJ taking the time to befriend a girl and spend hours on end having personal phone calls with them? Not one record of such a thing. Stop spouting baseless assumptions.
<quoted text>
More unsupported nonsense. Surely if MJ had formed a close bond with these boys, he should then have the same responsibility to maintain that relationship?
It is like a parent having a child and then abandoning that child when things get tough... If MJ knew the problems faced with communicating with all of these boys then he should have stopped being a selfish little man and befriended a small handful of ''boy'' friends in which he can make reasonable time for.
I know of only two girls he formed a much-too-close "bond" with. One was Tatum O'Neal, who said Michael would call her when she was twelve and talk about sex. Then he tried to have sex with her when she was only twelve. The other was his cousin's daughter Simone Jackson. Under cross-examination, she admitted she was repeatedly invited by Michael to come by herself to his bedroom and sleep with him, in the same bed. In the case of Simone, not only was he molesting a child, but he committed incest! Of course, he did the same thing to her brother when he finally reached the age Michael liked.

And f'loons think "befriending" girls makes it better than his obsession with little boys?

*shudder*

“at yet more f'loonspin”

Since: Aug 11

I live far away from f'loons

#66883 Sep 22, 2013
MJFRIEND wrote:
Really? TATUM O'neil a child at 12? NO i dont think so. LIKE MOST HOLLYWOOD CHILD ACTORS , she was beyound her years, smoking pot having sex, etc. THE 12 , 13 YR OLDS THAT ARE BEING DISCUSSED ON THIS FORUM do not fit the "profile of a normal " innocent , inexperienced unknowing child perhaps growing up in the mid west. LOOK HOW FAST PARIS JACKSON GREW UP WHEN THROWN OUT INTO THE HOOLYWOOD LIFE. she went from a sweet 11 yr old , missing her father to a head banger with black, sometimes purple or orange hair . Shes aged 10 years since the death of her father. WADE ROBSON AND GAVIN ARVIZO? two "wild" kids who sought out porn , pot on their own. save your sympathy for very young innocent children who have no exposure to the filth in hollywood.
Hollywood or no Hollywood, Tatum was a child. There is no excuse for Michael's behavior toward any child. How dare you speak about a child, that way. The same holds true for the other children you mentioned in your child-hating post. Michael is still fully responsible for his behavior.

“at yet more f'loonspin”

Since: Aug 11

I live far away from f'loons

#66887 Sep 23, 2013
MJFRIEND wrote:
To len is disgusted/pishpash : Do you two room together or something? YES , i do feel sorry for gavin in that he was tought to manipulate people and to lie at a young age by his mother. HE WAS TAUGHT TO CALL CELBRITIES ON THE PHONE , ASK FOR MONEY , ETC.......his mother was institutionalized for mental illness for a while.....she taught gavin to shoplift .....she taught gavin how to accuse...and to lie under an oath..hence, the jc penney lawsuit.... He came from a broken home where the parents did not get along.....when he was dumped on michael jackson he had cancer, going through treatments and was full of this bad arvizo energy. It was michael who changed this boy around , gavin stated in the courtroom michael helped him beat cancer., michael helped janet arvizo to change her life around , he gave this family a break from their hardships.....while gavin was bald , going through treatments, janet had michaels credit card
As I said, how dare you speak of a child that way. Children from broken homes are exactly the vulnerable prey sexual predators hunt. You've been told this, before, and yet you keep clinging to your false beliefs.

In case you'd like to know - which I doubt, here is what Larry Feldman had to say. Page 185 begins his discussion of the chain of events. Dickerman referred the family to Feldman, who sent the family to Dr. Stanley Katz, out of concern there may have been sexual abuse. They then went to the Child Protective Services.

On pages 221 and 223, he said no civil suit for money was discussed.

http://www.mjfacts.info/transcripts/Court%20T...

Here's a link to the testimonies of Dr. Stanley Katz and Bill Dickerman. On page 188 Dr. Katz discussed a book he wrote about false allegations of child molestation. On page 260, Dr. Katz says there are very few false allegation made by children over 5 years of age. On page 266 he says children who lie are very consistent in their stories. Obviously, an expert believed Gavin had been molested, and his comments kill your deeply held belief the Arvizo boys lied because they "changed their story."

Bill Dickerman had some interesting things to say, which you ought to read. It begins on page 276. The Arvizos actually went to Jamie Masada to stop the airing of Bashir's documentary. They also wanted their passports, etc., returned to them. You'll love page 286; he told Gregaros to tell his client to stop harassment, intimidation, surveillance of the Arvizos.

http://www.mjfacts.info/transcripts/Court_Tra...

Enjoy the reality revealed in the transcripts!
ERIC CARTMAN

Everett, WA

#66889 Sep 23, 2013
MJFRIEND wrote:
Really? TATUM O'neil a child at 12? NO i dont think so. LIKE MOST HOLLYWOOD CHILD ACTORS , she was beyound her years, smoking pot having sex, etc. THE 12 , 13 YR OLDS THAT ARE BEING DISCUSSED ON THIS FORUM do not fit the "profile of a normal " innocent , inexperienced unknowing child perhaps growing up in the mid west. LOOK HOW FAST PARIS JACKSON GREW UP WHEN THROWN OUT INTO THE HOOLYWOOD LIFE. she went from a sweet 11 yr old , missing her father to a head banger with black, sometimes purple or orange hair . Shes aged 10 years since the death of her father. WADE ROBSON AND GAVIN ARVIZO? two "wild" kids who sought out porn , pot on their own. save your sympathy for very young innocent children who have no exposure to the filth in hollywood.
well I am back. WITH A VENGEANCE. Lol ---wow what a contradiction. You say michael jackson never had a childhood. Which is why he was so naive with people. That's how people took advantage of him. Yet you say hollywood child stars grow up much faster then most kids. Well wouldn't that apply to michael as well. Why is it tatum o neal. At 12 is a pot smoking slut. Yet michael jackson is a innocent. Naive man legally a adult at 18 wanting to screw a 12yr old?
ERIC CARTMAN

Everett, WA

#66890 Sep 23, 2013
MJFRIEND wrote:
TO Eric : you obviously have never had to deal with celebrities , especially those of super star statua. Some of them are the saddest people in the world and are treated like an expensive piece of property. After a while some of them do not know who,s real and who,s not. Some of them dont know who loves them for their inner being or their image. Some self-destruct,commit suicide ,turn to drugs etc........most of the time they struggle with their own identity.........many of the biggest teen idols were the lonliest people...Jackson is one of them. MANY of these people would use "brady" as an example of someone they wish their lives were --simple. SOME of these people would use your " brady" story" as an example of how they wish someone "real " would come to their rescue and help them and care about them and save their life. John Belushi and Jackson could have only wished that you had happened to be there to save them.
well thank you for that. Talking about belushi and michael. But I did live a fast live style for a while in my early 20s. I did live a rich life style for a while as well. U see my aunt left me a lot of money when she died so I had a lot of crazy parties being young. in fact I even partied once with charlie sheen and kiefer sutherland but anyhow. I had a lot of so called friends come over and party with me and family members who I haven't seen for a long time come over and party with me. Untill the money ran out. Yep. I blew it all. Being stupid. And a lot of thoses so called friends I never saw again
rosalinda de la quatch

Sweden

#66891 Sep 23, 2013
persephone wrote:
<quoted text> It might have been 'strange' but I don't think it was inappropriate. How do you know they weren't discussing the issue of STDs? Do you think it's more appropriate for adolescents to be clueless and ignorant about the reality of such things?
I know you have made endless excuses over multiple years for MJ the dead celebrity that you worship --correct? This included his utterly appalling antisemitic language towards Jewish people -- him exposing his naked body and exposing the black spotted spots on his genitals to Jordi -- and even him dangling his nonDNA child out of a hotel balcony window and almost killing him in front of dozens of German MJ fans -- correct?

But now you are making excuses for him showing an extremely sexually graphic and inappropriate book -- something which is only intended to be seen by adults -- or if shown to young children it should be shown by a fully qualified sex educational teacher -- somebody who has gone through years of studying and training and had background checks performed on them to make sure they are not perverts looking to abuse children -- correct?

Corey was just a young boy and it was not MJ's responsibility to ever teach him about sexually transmitted diseases -- correct? It was the responsibility of his parents or the school that was schooling him -- correct?

If we were to create a little scenario involving a Boy Scout leader -- a fully grown man -- who decided during one Scout gettogether that he would hold one young boy back for 30 minutes and show him a very graphic sexual book which documented on transmitted diseases through sexual intercourse I'm sure that Scout leader would be fired from his job and never allowed back in again -- correct?

Also -- it's not like the suspicious MJ himself was a master in that area as he wasn't exactly somebody who had experience in having sex with women -- correct?

Also -- considering showing sexual images to children is a textbook grooming tactic it becomes even more suspicious as the suspicious MJ did display every single characteristics of a textbook pedophile -- correct?

And even if he didn't it's still not appropriate for any unrelated adult to do such things and you are doing nothing but degrading yourself by making these kinds of excuses for a dead celebrity that you didn't even know -- correct?

I am very concerned for you -- persephone. Your post entries are going from stupid and ignorant to downright scary.
persephone

Sunnyvale, CA

#66892 Sep 23, 2013
rosalinda de la quatch wrote:
<quoted text>
I know you have made endless excuses over multiple years for MJ the dead celebrity that you worship --correct? This included his utterly appalling antisemitic language towards Jewish people -- him exposing his naked body and exposing the black spotted spots on his genitals to Jordi -- and even him dangling his nonDNA child out of a hotel balcony window and almost killing him in front of dozens of German MJ fans -- correct?
But now you are making excuses for him showing an extremely sexually graphic and inappropriate book -- something which is only intended to be seen by adults -- or if shown to young children it should be shown by a fully qualified sex educational teacher -- somebody who has gone through years of studying and training and had background checks performed on them to make sure they are not perverts looking to abuse children -- correct?
Corey was just a young boy and it was not MJ's responsibility to ever teach him about sexually transmitted diseases -- correct? It was the responsibility of his parents or the school that was schooling him -- correct?
If we were to create a little scenario involving a Boy Scout leader -- a fully grown man -- who decided during one Scout gettogether that he would hold one young boy back for 30 minutes and show him a very graphic sexual book which documented on transmitted diseases through sexual intercourse I'm sure that Scout leader would be fired from his job and never allowed back in again -- correct?
Also -- it's not like the suspicious MJ himself was a master in that area as he wasn't exactly somebody who had experience in having sex with women -- correct?
Also -- considering showing sexual images to children is a textbook grooming tactic it becomes even more suspicious as the suspicious MJ did display every single characteristics of a textbook pedophile -- correct?
And even if he didn't it's still not appropriate for any unrelated adult to do such things and you are doing nothing but degrading yourself by making these kinds of excuses for a dead celebrity that you didn't even know -- correct?
I am very concerned for you -- persephone. Your post entries are going from stupid and ignorant to downright scary.
Why do you post such lengthy posts punctuated repeatedly with the word 'correct' when you know that I disagree with you?
persephone

Sunnyvale, CA

#66893 Sep 23, 2013
rosalinda de la quatch wrote:
<quoted text>
I know you have made endless excuses over multiple years for MJ the dead celebrity that you worship --correct? This included his utterly appalling antisemitic language towards Jewish people -- him exposing his naked body and exposing the black spotted spots on his genitals to Jordi -- and even him dangling his nonDNA child out of a hotel balcony window and almost killing him in front of dozens of German MJ fans -- correct?
But now you are making excuses for him showing an extremely sexually graphic and inappropriate book -- something which is only intended to be seen by adults -- or if shown to young children it should be shown by a fully qualified sex educational teacher -- somebody who has gone through years of studying and training and had background checks performed on them to make sure they are not perverts looking to abuse children -- correct?
Corey was just a young boy and it was not MJ's responsibility to ever teach him about sexually transmitted diseases -- correct? It was the responsibility of his parents or the school that was schooling him -- correct?
If we were to create a little scenario involving a Boy Scout leader -- a fully grown man -- who decided during one Scout gettogether that he would hold one young boy back for 30 minutes and show him a very graphic sexual book which documented on transmitted diseases through sexual intercourse I'm sure that Scout leader would be fired from his job and never allowed back in again -- correct?
Also -- it's not like the suspicious MJ himself was a master in that area as he wasn't exactly somebody who had experience in having sex with women -- correct?
Also -- considering showing sexual images to children is a textbook grooming tactic it becomes even more suspicious as the suspicious MJ did display every single characteristics of a textbook pedophile -- correct?
And even if he didn't it's still not appropriate for any unrelated adult to do such things and you are doing nothing but degrading yourself by making these kinds of excuses for a dead celebrity that you didn't even know -- correct?
I am very concerned for you -- persephone. Your post entries are going from stupid and ignorant to downright scary.
Only a deluded hater would equate that showing someone an anatomical illustration of STDs is an example of 'grooming' behavior.

You really should ask yourself just why you have such a strong need to respond to me with such lengthy, rambling posts.

“Depravity abounds...”

Since: Mar 13

Orlando, FL

#66894 Sep 23, 2013
Because you act insane, it freaks people out.
persephone wrote:
<quoted text> Only a deluded hater would equate that showing someone an anatomical illustration of STDs is an example of 'grooming' behavior.
You really should ask yourself just why you have such a strong need to respond to me with such lengthy, rambling posts.
rosalinda de la quatch

Sweden

#66895 Sep 23, 2013
persephone wrote:
<quoted text> Why do you post such lengthy posts punctuated repeatedly with the word 'correct' when you know that I disagree with you?
Why do you keep making claims about grand juries -- and 'legal experts' when no such evidence can be found --? You criticize me for saying one word yet you do not criticize yourself for saying the same thing for years and years -- yes?
rosalinda de la quatch

Sweden

#66896 Sep 23, 2013
persephone wrote:
<quoted text> Only a deluded hater would equate that showing someone an anatomical illustration of STDs is an example of 'grooming' behavior.
You really should ask yourself just why you have such a strong need to respond to me with such lengthy, rambling posts.
But you have proven that you are a true hater by the hateful language you use towards people who may have been possible abuse victims -- correct?

Also -- how can you think it's appropriate for a grown man to start showing a book that showed men and women's private parts to an unrelated child --?

You are a very troubled and suspicious person -- correct?

Also -- if you think I am deluded for possibly believing that MJ was showing the child that book for the reason of grooming then why do you not prove me wrong --? I have read page after page after page which has been compiled by experts in the field of pedophilia -- yes? And one thing they say is pedophiles often show images of nudity to children for that sole purpose of grooming -- yes?

Also -- you should ask yourself why you have been you for years and years on the thread of the profile of a pedophile if you believe that the suspicious MJ was completely innocent of the crimes he was accused of -- yes? It should be like water off a ducks back to you if you truly believe he was innocent -- yes? But instead you use hateful language and have some kind of vendetta against children instead of trying to engage in a friendly discussion and try to put factual points across -- yes?
rosalinda de la quatch

Sweden

#66897 Sep 23, 2013
Also -- persephone -- if you had a 13 year old child and there was a strange man or woman hanging around the school gates and they approached your child when they were leaving school and started showing them a book that featured images of men and women's private parts do you they would be doing a good thing by trying to educate your child or would that be highly inappropriate and downright disgusting --?

Since: Sep 13

Bay City, MI

#66898 Sep 23, 2013
NOTHING WRONG WITH TOUCHING KIDS, WANNA ARGUE ABOUT IT, SKYPE ME bloodslay666

“Brevity is the soule of wit”

Since: May 09

USA

#66901 Sep 23, 2013
MJFREAK wrote:
TO eric : michael had a very different upbrining and workload as a young teen compared to tatum o neil and others........first e crowd.. Very different upbringing than tatum o neil.
BFD.
joe joe

Auburn, WA

#66902 Sep 23, 2013
Seems to be missing comment or comments ?
persephone

Mountain View, CA

#66903 Sep 23, 2013
rosalinda de la quatch wrote:
Also -- persephone -- if you had a 13 year old child and there was a strange man or woman hanging around the school gates and they approached your child when they were leaving school and started showing them a book that featured images of men and women's private parts do you they would be doing a good thing by trying to educate your child or would that be highly inappropriate and downright disgusting --?
Except that he wasn't a stranger to the boy, it was in the privacy of his own home in which the boy was a guest, it was a book which by no stretch of the imagination could be construed as 'erotic'; the book probably contained valuable information about the realities of the human sexual experience and the diseases which can result from it.

Leave to to a clueless hater to come up with a preposterous scenario in which viewing an anatomical illustration in a book is 'inappropriate' for a teenager.

Since: Jul 13

Location hidden

#66905 Sep 23, 2013
persephone wrote:
<quoted text> Except that he wasn't a stranger to the boy, it was in the privacy of his own home in which the boy was a guest, it was a book which by no stretch of the imagination could be construed as 'erotic'; the book probably contained valuable information about the realities of the human sexual experience and the diseases which can result from it.
Leave to to a clueless hater to come up with a preposterous scenario in which viewing an anatomical illustration in a book is 'inappropriate' for a teenager.
The book depicted several nude men and women according to Corey. Why can you not fit the puzzle?

This is the same man who was supposedly regressed - you use this to excuse why he slept with boys night after night. You then excuse him for collecting child erotica and photographs of boys he bedded. AND now you excuse him for showing a boy graphic and inappropriate content in a sex-related book. Which man relives his child-hood teaching little boys sex education? You contradict yourself constantly.

Adding up his past suspicious behaviour, how can you not see the blatant red flags with him showing a young pre-teen boy a graphic book? Only MJ fans can be this dense
ERIC CARTMAN

Federal Way, WA

#66906 Sep 23, 2013
Okay MJ friend I don't know what happened to your comment space however. Are you saying its okay for an 18yr old man to desire after a 12yr old girl. Remember michael wasn't retarded so he didn't have a mind of a ten yr old. This was a guy who listen to his brothers maybe even watch his brothers having sex with groupies. And he was a young man already past puberty and now at the legal age of consent with the regular human sexual desires and wants. Are you saying it was okay for him to lust after tatum even though she may have not yet reach puberty yet or the legal age of consent that it was okay with her becauses u believe she was a looses girl?

“at yet more f'loonspin”

Since: Aug 11

I live far away from f'loons

#66907 Sep 23, 2013
persephone wrote:
<quoted text> Only a deluded hater would equate that showing someone an anatomical illustration of STDs is an example of 'grooming' behavior.
Do you honestly not see something wrong with a grown man who has a child alone in his condo and shows him a book filled with nude men and women and discusses STD's with the child? Does anyone in your family, including you, do this? I hope not.

Then again, you also don't think there is anything wrong with a naked man keeping a gawky teenager in his bedroom when he steps out of the shower and walks into his bedroom where the child is.
FOREVER MICHAEL

UK

#66909 Sep 24, 2013
This is all bull shit..this page needs to be taken down. Because it is not nice or polite

I dont know who you are talking about? Because it is not Michael Jackson...Michael was the Victim
You must have very sad lifes ..and it shows how weak you all are to Lie and gossip about someone
Whos not here to defend himself.

Michaels never done anything to anybody .I dont know why you are all treating him like this noone
Deserves this sort of treatment..he never said a bad word about anybody...Michael hasnt got a bad bone in his body.

I dont know if you have been brainwashed.by the press.people havent got there own minds these days..its just follow the Leader and do what I am told.and believe anything the press tell you.its just complete garbadge..its all wicked Lies by Wicked people.and its a complete Lie..why do people buy these papers?.its not the truth.

I am saying do not pass Judgement on an Innocent man..because of Jealousy..Lies and gossip and greed..I dont care what the story is
Do not Judge them its a Lie

Not one of you know anything about Michael
Or his Life..and what he had to go through.just Leave Michael alone

Leave Michael in peace.Leave him alone ..and give
Michael the Love care respect he deserves .because I do I dont care what people say that man means so much to me.and I Love him and adore him so much and I will defend and be there for my sweet Michael..he a good sweet and wonderful man with a gentle heart

Michael is the greatest man that walked on this earth ..it is a shame theres not more people like Michael in the world..it would make the world a better place

Michael will always be my angel..so where ever you are Michael with the Angels..because you are an angel..stay near and close to us.I just want you back Michael Missing you my angel
I forever Love you Michael Jackson
My sweet sweet Angel
All my Love Hugs and Kissies xx for you Michael

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