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DA: Jehovah Witness Church concealed molestation crimes

There are 444 comments on the McAlester News story from Feb 4, 2014, titled DA: Jehovah Witness Church concealed molestation crimes. In it, McAlester News reports that:

"The entire church body of the Jehovah Witness Church" allegedly concealed child molestation crimes alleged against a man identified as a former church elder, according to a motion filed in Pittsburg County District Court.

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hMMMMM

Farmington, UT

#1 Feb 4, 2014
Ronald was an elder in the McAlester Jehovah Witness Church, according to McAlester Police Dectective Sergeant Chris Morris.

“He is no longer an elder but he is still a member of the church,” Morris said.

According to the motion the State will present an offer of proof regarding concealment of the crime by Lawrence and the “entire church body, most especially the governing body of the Christian Congregation of Jehovah Witnesses.”

In November Lawrence was charged in Pittsburg County District Court with 19 felony counts, including 11 of lewd molestation, seven of forcible sodomy and one count of rape by instrumentation.

The alleged victims in the cases were two preteen girls and one 5-year-old boy at the time.

Lawrence was arrested by McAlester police after three people came forward late last year alleging they had been molested some 30 years ago, according to the McAlester Police.

An affidavit filed in the case alleges one female was molested from the time she was 8 until she was 13 years old.

A second female alleged she was molested by Lawrence between the ages of 10 and 13, and a male alleged he was molested at the age of 5.

Lawrence told police that “he admitted to his church that all of the allegations were true” so that he could be reinstated into the church after being “dis-fellowshipped,” the affidavit alleges.

The affidavit alleges Lawrence said he confessed to his church and he named four Jehovah Witness church elders who he said were aware of some of the incidents.
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hMMMMM

Farmington, UT

#2 Feb 4, 2014
Another "WITNESS TO THE WORLD" of what a perverted, sick and criminal cult the Jehovah's witnesses are.
susan

Vancouver, WA

#3 Feb 4, 2014
hMMMMM wrote:
Another "WITNESS TO THE WORLD" of what a perverted, sick and criminal cult the Jehovah's witnesses are.
I want to respond saying because there a few immorality wrong people who make poor choices to molest or harm children do not make all Jehovah's Witnesses bad...they are fir the majority a good people trying to obey Gods Laws and good neighbors...please do nit judge an entire group by a small minority of those who make poor decisions
Ex-jw

Saint Augustine, FL

#4 Feb 4, 2014
According to the motion the State will present an offer of proof regarding concealment of the crime by Lawrence and the “entire church body, most especially the governing body of the Christian Congregation of Jehovah Witnesses.”- See more at: http://www.mcalesternews.com/breakingnews/x40...

http://www.mcalesternews.com/breakingnews/x40...
jace

Clinton, MD

#5 Feb 4, 2014
The main is in all theses cases in my view boils down to

1. Who knew it
2. When
3 what did they do about it

While jw can argue the legal case all day long

Being a religion present another problem of

Does a jw do the legal it moral thing
Ex-jw

Saint Augustine, FL

#6 Feb 4, 2014
susan wrote:
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I want to respond saying because there a few immorality wrong people who make poor choices to molest or harm children do not make all Jehovah's Witnesses bad...they are fir the majority a good people trying to obey Gods Laws and good neighbors...please do nit judge an entire group by a small minority of those who make poor decisions
Your conclusion is true, ALL JWs are not the same. However, that's NOT the issue !

The issue is the accusations that the WBTS and most JWs charge against the RCC and it's leadership for HIDING these incidents and subsequently allow it to continue in their "so called paradise conditions" where the wheat are supposed to be gathered from the bad weeds of the world. This proves they are no different to the RCC, or any other denomination with the WEEDS among them, right ?

Shalom :)

Since: Oct 10

Homebush, Australia

#7 Feb 4, 2014
susan wrote:
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I want to respond saying because there a few immorality wrong people who make poor choices to molest or harm children do not make all Jehovah's Witnesses bad...they are fir the majority a good people trying to obey Gods Laws and good neighbors...please do nit judge an entire group by a small minority of those who make poor decisions
poor choice, wow that is an understatement, and most do not hold all JW responsible, however it is the GB of JW that pass their organizational policies down to the elders to carry out to the letter of what the lawyers at bethel suggest that they do, no ones conscience seems to come into the equation, its all about protecting the image of the organization above the protection of children, they have a moral duty to God as shepherds, but fail miserably because they put the organization first.

look at the hypocrisy here.

Awake! Magazine, April 8, 1999
Think of the heartbreak of parents who have discovered, too late, that their children have been abused by trusted clergymen, teachers, or even close family members. It would be good for you as a parent to ask yourself,‘Does my church tolerate or cover up child abuse? Is my religion holding firmly to high moral principles?’ Answers to such questions could help you to make wise choices in protecting your children.

The Watchtower, November 15, 2005:
The Jewish remnant who returned to their homeland lived in security, with nothing to fear from animals. This prophecy also had a fulfillment in 1919 C.E., when the remnant of spiritual Israel was freed from “Babylon the Great,” the world empire of false religion. They now dwell in security and enjoy life in a spiritual paradise with their companions, who hope to live forever on earth. Animalistic traits do not exist among these true Christians.

The Society makes use of high powered lawyers to protect themselves against lawsuits, brought by victims of abuse against elders and sometimes the Society itself. In this way the Society with its governing body ends up fighting against the victims, endeavoring to disprove or minimize any accusation of a sexual crime, while at the same time defending the abusers. That is absolutely shocking to Jehovah! Their lawyers have replaced God in their guidance. In one case I personally know of, five elders appeared in court as character witnesses on behalf of an elder who was being charged by a sister of stalking her, as she needed to seek court protection, which the elders had failed to do. Even the Society got involved by sending their lawyer on behalf of this wicked man. The sister was granted by the court a restraining order against this elder, which meant she had to attend congregation meetings in a more distant Kingdom Hall. And the wicked elder? He is still serving in his congregation as such at this time of writing, never having been removed. Do such wicked men honestly believe that Jehovah is indifferent to all of this, and he doesn't see what is happening to his vulnerable sheep?

In the past, Jehovah warned his people: "You must not mistreat any widow or fatherless child. If you do mistreat them, they will no doubt cry to Me, and I will certainly hear their cry. My anger will burn, and I will kill you with the sword; then your wives will be widows and your children fatherless." (Exodus 22:22-24, HCSB)
Wendy in Illinois

Bloomingdale, IL

#8 Feb 4, 2014
The point is they have been covering up child abuse for decades and it is about time the world knows it. Yes there are abusers in every group. That is not the issue. The issue is the JW top leadership have been using the 2 witness rule to orchestrate the cover up of child abuse for years to keep their image "clean" to outsiders. God brings everything to light. I have been praying for this for over 23 years since it affected my own family and so many others around the world.

Since: Oct 10

Homebush, Australia

#9 Feb 4, 2014
With what shall I confront Jehovah?[With what] shall I bow myself to God on high? He has told you, O earthling man, what is good. And what is Jehovah asking back from you but to exercise justice and to love kindness and to be modest in walking with your God?" —Micah 6:6, 8.
red blood relative

United States

#10 Feb 4, 2014
better get fh chandler over here for some tricky talk .
hurry, fh.

eventually the jw gov body and their lawyers are going to get nailed for conspiracy.
Tao itness

Philadelphia, PA

#11 Feb 4, 2014
Even after the case was brought to court and the three elders were issued with witness summonses (squbpoenas), they refused to cooperate – claiming through their barrister (lawyer) that they had a “DUTY TO GOD” to keep Leighton’s confession confidential. Preyser, Logan and Scott went so far as to legally dispute their summonses on religious grounds, but were ordered to testify by Judge Penny Moreland after months of legal wrangling
WHAT DUTY TO GOD? WATCHTOWER LEGAL IS PROTECTING THEIR IDOL THE ORGANIZATION!

Romans 13:1-2 “Let every soul be in subjection to the superior authorities, for there is no authority except by God; the existing authorities stand placed in their relative positions by God. Therefore he who opposes the authority has taken a stand against the arrangement of God; those who have taken a stand against it will receive judgment to themselves.”

They claim by protecting this child molester they are fulfilling their duty to God, yet this scripture clearly shows they are standing in opposition to God! As the scriptures say," wicked men and Impostors will advance from bad to worse!"
GOD'S ORGANIZATION? NO WAY!
Tao itness

Philadelphia, PA

#12 Feb 4, 2014
The so called faithful and discreet slave that have be come complete masters over jehovah's witnesses faith cannot even properly follow a straight forward scripture such is this one in Romans! They have put themselves in judgement against God himself ! By protecting child molesters they have rebeled against God,not to mention the victim,Jesus said they might as well put a millstone around their neck and be cast into the ocean by ignoring what these poor children and everything they have gone through, by saying what they're doing is a dudy to God, they have become complete APOSTATES!

1Let everyone be subject to the governing authorities, for there is no authority except that which God has established. The authorities that exist have been established by God. 2Consequently, whoever rebels against the authority is rebelling against what God has instituted, and those who do so will bring judgment on themselves. 3For rulers hold no terror for those who do right, but for those who do wrong. Do you want to be free from fear of the one in authority? Then do what is right and you will be commended. 4For the one in authority is God’s servant for your good. But if you do wrong, be afraid, for rulers do not bear the sword for no reason. They are God’s servants, agents of wrath to bring punishment on the wrongdoer. 5Therefore, it is necessary to submit to the authorities, not only because of possible punishment but also as a matter of conscience.

They are attempting to subvert Jehovah's own instrument for implementing justice!
THEY SIMPLY CANNOT BE GODS ORGANISATION!!!!
sonny

Suva, Fiji

#13 Feb 5, 2014
Well there goes the finger pointing JWs have been critisizing RCC for too long.
Concerned Grandparent

Clearlake, CA

#14 Feb 5, 2014
Those brainwashed by the organization of Jehovah's Witnesses are willing to sacrifice their children to protect the image of a group of men who have offered them a free ticket to a paradise built on the corpses of the rest of humanity.

Those poor children who have been victimized by the pedophiles protected by the organization while their parents comply with the rules of their masters and do nothing to defend the children deserve better than such cowardly and selfish parents.

How insane does the organization of Jehovah's Witnesses have to get before people say "ENOUGH!" and stand up for decency and start protecting their children from these monsters?

If you can't LOVE your brother whom you can see how can you LOVE GOD whom you can't see?,..

well what about your sons and daughters that you can see? Do they count too? Apparently not in the organization of Jehovah's Witnesses!


There is no LOVE at the top of the organization of Jehovah's Witnesses and these evil men are passing their hate out to all who will listen.

The bloodbath theology of the organization of Jehovah's Witnesses is not from GOD!

The fact they got the name wrong should be a wake up call for any reasonably intelligent person!

And how they treat the children should speak volumes about their lack of spiritual inspiration!

Let's hope this legal case encourages more and more victims of these sick and twisted old men to come forward!
Tao itness

Darby, PA

#15 Feb 5, 2014
I agree CG and yet any Jehovah's Witness that would dare bring up any of these scriptures that we posted would be thrown out of the synagogue and considered wicked and evil! The watchtower defenders would take the scripture you posted and say,' well it did not say children, it did not say sons and daughters! it said brothers! "As far as the scriptures in Romans maybe there will be a new light and they will apply the 'superior authoraties' to the governing body again! Lol!
That anyone could defend them is mind blowing! When the RCC was exposed, I did not see any of THEIR followers trying to make excuses for IT! No wonder Jesus said when the Pharisees gained converts they made them twice as guilty!
Tao itness

Darby, PA

#16 Feb 5, 2014
Further, the state alleges that the alleged acts where not reported to authorities until late 2013 due to their concealment by Lawrence and “the entire church body, most especially the governing body of the Christian Congregation of Jehovah’s Witnesses.”
I posted this would happen back when the Conti verdict came through. That was the same day Sandusky was sentenced and that same day was the first time a Catholic official was sent to jail for covering molestation up in the church! I had felt, and still do, that God was giving some type of message, it was too much of a coincidence. I have a feeling this thing is going to blow up and the governing body are going to become their worst enemy. They are too arrogant to allow themselves to be hauled into court by a mere county, THEY lobby before the WORLD COURT how dare a mere county court accuse them! That day of the Conti verdict I said' mark my words the governing body are going to be going to jail'for covering up these cases, and mark my words again they are going to shoot themselves in the foot due to their own arrogance and this thing is going to be a big blow for them! They are going to try and wiggle themselves out and end up tightening the noose around their neck or should I say the Millstone!
PAY ATTENTION TO THIS CASE !!
Tao itness

Darby, PA

#17 Feb 5, 2014
susan wrote:
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I want to respond saying because there a few immorality wrong people who make poor choices to molest or harm children do not make all Jehovah's Witnesses bad...they are fir the majority a good people trying to obey Gods Laws and good neighbors...please do nit judge an entire group by a small minority of those who make poor decisions
A list is already compiled. Held at the Jehovahs witnesses/ Watchtower HQ @ 100 Watchtower Drive, Patterson, NY 12563.
23,000 plus pedophiles and their offences are named on this list which is not available to the public.
Susan the watchtower has a confidential list of over 23,000 known child molesters! we can only wonder how many have still not been exposed!maybe you are not aware of the fact or believe the watchtower propaganda, but this is a systemic problem that happens when a religion controls people even invading the most intimate heart of a human being, something even God spirit does not work with unless it is requested by the receiver, the human conscience! I truly believe these things are all related to the boundaries the watchtower crosses. They are spiritual rapists and I believe this is why there are so many among your religion that seem to have no problem Crossing physical boundary.I also believe that is why, according to every study done, Jehovah's Witnesses suffer from depression at far larger a rate than the world at large.
It is time for you and all others of this religion to stop sticking your head in the sand and do some serious research as to what is truly happening behind closed doors at Watchtower headquarters!
silrtlambs.org has compiled a large amount of factual information on this.there are scans of court cases, that if you read will shock and sicken any lover of righteousness. It is time to show where you stand, with Jehovah or an organization that claims to bear his name!
They have all ready lied to you saying they are in spiritual paradise or the highway of holiness that according to Ezekiel, no beast like predators walk! They claim they have fulfilled this prophecy, they are bold faced liars!
Scrubmaster

Rockville, MD

#18 Feb 5, 2014
susan wrote:
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I want to respond saying because there a few immorality wrong people who make poor choices to molest or harm children do not make all Jehovah's Witnesses bad...they are fir the majority a good people trying to obey Gods Laws and good neighbors...please do nit judge an entire group by a small minority of those who make poor decisions
The same thing can be said for all religions and the world in general that a few people make bad choices. But the MAIN point is the hiding of the molestation why is the not. But I have heard the Witnesses point out how other religions have this problem. But never do they say that is just a few people not all.
Scrubmaster

Rockville, MD

#19 Feb 5, 2014
susan wrote:
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I want to respond saying because there a few immorality wrong people who make poor choices to molest or harm children do not make all Jehovah's Witnesses bad...they are fir the majority a good people trying to obey Gods Laws and good neighbors...please do nit judge an entire group by a small minority of those who make poor decisions
I meant to say "But the MAIN point is the hiding of the molestation why is this not addressed and the two witnesses rule."

Supremeliberal

Lufkin, TX

#20 Feb 5, 2014
An elder should know better ,he has spiritual control over the lives of the congregation, and his authority is never question, The Catholic church has been held accountable by the UN ,to be accountable for the sexual abuse that went on in the Catholic church

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