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Wallin-Reed guilty of first-degree murder - Full Story

There are 108 comments on the Feather River Bulletin story from Oct 3, 2013, titled Wallin-Reed guilty of first-degree murder - Full Story. In it, Feather River Bulletin reports that:

On Thursday, Sept. 26, a jury found the 38-year-old Reno man guilty of murder and seven other felonies stemming from a car chase that ended in a hail of bullets from Wallin-Reed's AR-15 assault rifle.Gregory Chad Wallin-Reed will likely spend the rest of his life in prison for the July 2011 shooting death of Rory McGuire.

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SickofHypocracy

Carson City, NV

#21 Oct 22, 2013
MinMad wrote:
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Regardless---You cannot chase someone down and shoot them for any reason. I know what you are trying to say. But, even if those young people came into Chad's house and shot at them with a gun---and then somehow managed to get away from Chad with the same scenario happening---Chad still did not have the right to chase them down and shoot them at a different location. That is vigilante justice and is murder. He would still be charged with murder. These young people stole a light of some kind from his fence post. You cannot kill them for that crime. The criminal justice system is flawed and I understand the frustration with feeling victimized and violated from someone stealing from you. But, you absolutely cannot kill them for that. Not all of the kids in that car stole the light either. It only took one to do that and they all weren't guilty of stealing the light. Chad handled it all wrong because he felt violated. You can only shoot someone if you are in a situation where you could be killed by the other person. Chad was the pursuer. Those young people could have shot him and they would be innocent of murder because he was coming after them. You can't kill someone for stealing. End of story.
I don't know that you are 100% correct in saying that he does not have the right to pursue them. Keith even says although there is no "stand your ground" law in california, or one against it for that matter, it has been a valid defense in which a person fearing there life would even be entitled to pursue someone. The story clearly states the first night these kids harassed this family they saw the camp and shined there spot light on it. They thought it was funny that the campers were angered by the harassment and decided to seek out that camp and continue to harass them. They then chose to return a second night and continue to terrorize the Reed family and friends. Put yourself in that situation in which at that point the Reed party were definitely victims of terrorizing thugs in the middle of nowhere. These kids removed the license plate from their vehicle, why? It's very clear these kids were up to no good. It's not about solar lights in this case its about principal. Its about feeling that these thugs may return and possibly harm someone in their party. Reed pursued to identify his attackers and/or vehicle and was allegedly fired on which further increases his feeling of need to defend himself. I cant find it in me to say the driver or anyone else deserved to die in this situation but i feel it is their own fault. They brought it upon themselves and decided to challenge the warning of the sign that clearly stated someone may use lethal force on that property. If you teach a kid not to stick his hand in the fire or he'll get burned, do you sympathize for him when he decides to stick his hand in the fire anyway or do you call him a dummy and say well thats what you get for being ignorant?
SickofHypocracy

Carson City, NV

#22 Oct 22, 2013
ExSusanvillian wrote:
I couldn't of said this better myself...
But let me add, I'm from that small hick town known as Susanville and let me say one thing. Those guys were up to no good that night and I would of done the same thing Wallen-Reed did to protect myself and family.
My question for you, would you just let it go or would you protect yourself, family, and/or property?
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The first night Wallin-Reed did "let it go." The next morning they found footprints around the camper his friends were staying in on the property. That would give anyone the heebie jeebies. At this point you don't know what these peoples intentions are. You would only have an overwhelming feeling that you don't know who these people are, what they want or what they're capable of. You may have to defend yourself or be further victimized. You have no neighbors around to help, even if you call the cops chances are they will not arrive until you have been victimized and the criminals are long gone. With that said, when these thugs arrived a second night to continue terrorizing, without provocation, I feel anyone would be justified to defend their family, themselves,and/or their friends.
So ultimately my answer to you or anyone with the same question is YES I would've done whatever was necessary to eliminate the threat and ensure the safety of myself and my family.
Have you ever known anyone to say " I'd do anything to protect my family, as long as it's within the guidelines of the law"?
Would you be willing to kill someone to protect your family even if you could possibly spend the rest of your life in jail?
I think if I had to make the decision I would sacrifice my freedom and even my life if I felt that someone would harm my family. I dont know anyone that wouldn't. Im sure there are a few who wouldnt but I think the majority of people would.
Lee

Howell, MI

#23 Oct 22, 2013
So many things that come to mind with this case. The kids have been completely and thoroughly coached. What kid uses the word "thoughtful" to describe their father. And the wife - I always squirm when a women does not call her husband by his name or just refer to his as "he". She always called him her husband as if she was a robot....a completely coached robot. Chad, from his attitude and the signs around his vacation home, is a judgmental "I'm so Christian and patriotic, so I am so much better than everyone else" kind of guy. I get that you might want to pursue someone who came on your property when the police are so far away, but I think he was shooting from the get-go. And I don't think the kids had a gun. They were dumb to engage in vandalism - very dumb, but Chad had no right to gun them down.
SickofHypocracy

Carson City, NV

#24 Oct 22, 2013
Lee wrote:
So many things that come to mind with this case. The kids have been completely and thoroughly coached. What kid uses the word "thoughtful" to describe their father. And the wife - I always squirm when a women does not call her husband by his name or just refer to his as "he". She always called him her husband as if she was a robot....a completely coached robot. Chad, from his attitude and the signs around his vacation home, is a judgmental "I'm so Christian and patriotic, so I am so much better than everyone else" kind of guy. I get that you might want to pursue someone who came on your property when the police are so far away, but I think he was shooting from the get-go. And I don't think the kids had a gun. They were dumb to engage in vandalism - very dumb, but Chad had no right to gun them down.
Lee you are an idiot. You're calling Chad judgmental when you yourself are judging him. You clearly only watched or read bits and pieces of this story and yet somehow you think you have a comment that is valid? At least know what you are talking about before you spew hateful judgment and false ideologies about it.
You think he was shooting from the get go; it doesn't matter what you think evidence and witness statements prove he shot from his vehicle during pursuit and at the field where it ended. The kids had a gun. One of them had a picture holding the same caliber gun, on his social media profile, that they found shells to on the side of the highway but the DA managed to disprove they were linked to the alleged victims with a crack pot theory. 3 of the victims disappeared into the woods and ran 7 miles to get help. Finding a small handgun in such an area is virtually impossible. Plenty of places to hide or dispose of it.
JHH

Sparks, NV

#25 Oct 22, 2013
MinMad wrote:
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I agree 100% with you! My husband was an Army Colonel and we knew immediately that there was something wrong with Chad Wallin-Reed when he was trying to explain his story. My husband said, "No way was he an Army Ranger". Turns out---he lied! His poor children were so brain washed and his wife was too. Hopefully, the family will heal psychologically and be able to see how terribly sick Chad Wallin Reed is and be able to move on in a less dysfunctional life! My sympathies to Rory McGuire's mom and dad. Such a heartbreaking situation that never should have happened.
What happened here should never have happened. To Rory's Mom and the court, what was Rory and his buddies doing with no plates on the car, stealing solar lights, CASING an area with NO CELL PHONE COVERAGE and on his second or THIRD visit to the home in as many nights?
And since when was STEALING considered a PRANK? How old was RORY? Was he a BOY OR A MAN?
There are alot of Rory's out there who think what they do should never be escalated to what happened here and yet, Rory is the guy who paid the ultimate price. On the otherhand, three KIDS, Chad's Daughters and his Wife will now go on without a Father/Husband all because of RORYs so called PRANK.
Unfortunately, there are consequences for the decision we make and the actions we take and both Rory and Chad are examples of such.
Funny but a cop gets away with saying he thought he saw a gun. Chad says he thought he was fired at...then the car goes whipping around to circle back and comes up broadside, what was he supposed to do?
Rory nad his IDIOT friends should never have been out POSING a threat to anyone and Chad could have handled the situation in a very different manner. On the flip side here Mr DA, there is alot more fault to go around here that REQUIRES action than merely the actions Wallin-Reed took. But, when the DA qualifies THEFT as a PRANK and calls 19 and 20 year old MEN (who can be drafted, vote, etc., etc) boys....I would say the DAs office is in need of change as well. Incompetence shouldn't be given authority over anyone but himself.
JHH

Sparks, NV

#26 Oct 22, 2013
SickofHypocracy wrote:
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I don't know that you are 100% correct in saying that he does not have the right to pursue them. Keith even says although there is no "stand your ground" law in california, or one against it for that matter, it has been a valid defense in which a person fearing there life would even be entitled to pursue someone. The story clearly states the first night these kids harassed this family they saw the camp and shined there spot light on it. They thought it was funny that the campers were angered by the harassment and decided to seek out that camp and continue to harass them. They then chose to return a second night and continue to terrorize the Reed family and friends. Put yourself in that situation in which at that point the Reed party were definitely victims of terrorizing thugs in the middle of nowhere. These kids removed the license plate from their vehicle, why? It's very clear these kids were up to no good. It's not about solar lights in this case its about principal. Its about feeling that these thugs may return and possibly harm someone in their party. Reed pursued to identify his attackers and/or vehicle and was allegedly fired on which further increases his feeling of need to defend himself. I cant find it in me to say the driver or anyone else deserved to die in this situation but i feel it is their own fault. They brought it upon themselves and decided to challenge the warning of the sign that clearly stated someone may use lethal force on that property. If you teach a kid not to stick his hand in the fire or he'll get burned, do you sympathize for him when he decides to stick his hand in the fire anyway or do you call him a dummy and say well thats what you get for being ignorant?
Well said, no plates, theft, spotlight, threat.....not one night, BUT TWO nights....I can't say Rory got what he deserved but he did deserve a bonnified A-Kicking at a minimum and so did his friends.
Gee, I guess when you HARRASS someone you shouldn't be surprised when/how they respond. Rory and his mental giant friends are the ones who started this play, Chad ended it and no one won.
Is it possible Rory and his friends were targeting this camp/cabin because of the CHRISTIANITY referred to on the sign? Thats a hate crime isn't it? Oh I forgot, Chad is white and only Islam seems to be protected by this administration.
JHH

Sparks, NV

#27 Oct 22, 2013
The real victims here are the 3 Daughers and their Mother. I could care less of Rory's Family afterall, Rory's POOR judgement and actions are what led to his end. As for his Friends, I expect a complete, 100% turn around but I wouldn't bet on it, not on any of them.

Karma baby, good luck to the lonesome 5.
Justice

Gilbert, AZ

#28 Oct 22, 2013
Were the boys alter boys? Maybe not but they didn't do anything to deserve the wrath of Chad. Birds of a feather flock together. If you think Chad is so innocent maybe you will get the opportunity to shake his hand when your his bunk mate - haha. Chad didn't kill all the boys because he ran out of bullets. He's a cold blooded murdered. It's idiots like him that make me wish I could pummel them but not kill'em. I particularly love the wife's devotion to this fool. The children will be perfect examples of how to raise more idiots like their dad. May Chad die a little more everyday where he belongs-prison. He has no hope of another life now that he couldn't control himself. Once a lying fool, always a lying fool.
TJW

Ernakulam, India

#29 Oct 23, 2013
Just saw the Dateline episode. Its just really sad what had happened. What Chad did was wrong.. but Rory and team provoked Chad to do what he did. You can't break into somebody's home twice and hope to get away with it without some consequences. I think JUSTICE WOULD BE SERVED if CHAD GETS 5-10 YRS PRISON.
The premeditated murder charge and the 50-to-life prison time they are talking about is just cruel and unheard of..
SickofHypocracy

Carson City, NV

#30 Oct 23, 2013
Justice wrote:
Were the boys alter boys? Maybe not but they didn't do anything to deserve the wrath of Chad. Birds of a feather flock together. If you think Chad is so innocent maybe you will get the opportunity to shake his hand when your his bunk mate - haha. Chad didn't kill all the boys because he ran out of bullets. He's a cold blooded murdered. It's idiots like him that make me wish I could pummel them but not kill'em. I particularly love the wife's devotion to this fool. The children will be perfect examples of how to raise more idiots like their dad. May Chad die a little more everyday where he belongs-prison. He has no hope of another life now that he couldn't control himself. Once a lying fool, always a lying fool.
Get your facts straight before you spew out all this hatred and cast judgment on people you really don't know anything about. You only know what the media has shown you and its clear you didn't even fully pay attention to that. You look like an uneducated,hypocritical jerk. Good idea lets just pummel everyone instead of kill them. You go ahead with that idea and I am sure that you will be Chads bunk mate long before I will. Violence of any kind towards someone is bad. Unfortunately sometimes we feel there is no other option.
Also to properly inform you, Chad wasn't out of ammo. He very well could have killed the rest of them. That being said don't believe everything on tv or in the newspapers. Their stories are designed to set roles for the people involved. In this case they made Chad the villain. You people eat it up and the media laughs all the way to the bank. Don't be judgmental to people you really don't know. Speak your opinion,use your brain to properly educate yourself on the matter but have the balls to think for yourself.
MinMad

Colorado Springs, CO

#31 Oct 23, 2013
SickofHypocracy wrote:
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Get your facts straight before you spew out all this hatred and cast judgment on people you really don't know anything about. You only know what the media has shown you and its clear you didn't even fully pay attention to that. You look like an uneducated,hypocritical jerk. Good idea lets just pummel everyone instead of kill them. You go ahead with that idea and I am sure that you will be Chads bunk mate long before I will. Violence of any kind towards someone is bad. Unfortunately sometimes we feel there is no other option.
Also to properly inform you, Chad wasn't out of ammo. He very well could have killed the rest of them. That being said don't believe everything on tv or in the newspapers. Their stories are designed to set roles for the people involved. In this case they made Chad the villain. You people eat it up and the media laughs all the way to the bank. Don't be judgmental to people you really don't know. Speak your opinion,use your brain to properly educate yourself on the matter but have the balls to think for yourself.
Well---I can see by reading everyone's posts' that there is a lot of emotion when it comes to this case. Rightly so in that a young man lost his life. I do think that it is very important for parent's to teach their kids respect for other people and their property. That is probably one of the most important lessons that needs to be taught. I have a 19 year old son---and he is very respectful to everyone. I know, without a doubt, my son would never have been doing what Rory and his friends were doing. I have shown this story to my son for his opinion. Like me, he is very sorry that Rory lost his life. In my family, we value human life. We know that it is a precious gift from God not to be taken as lightly as people in this country take it. But, it is important to note that those kids should not have done the things that they did (harassment, stealing) Bullying will sometimes push someone to the brink of responding the way Chad responded. It's wrong and it's against the law and that is why Chad is in jail convicted of murder because what he did was responded by murdering. American people have got to go back to being respectful of each other and teaching their kids respect for others or we will keep hearing of these tragic happenings in the future. Rory and his friends were wrong too in what they were doing. But, Rory didn't deserve to be killed and those other kids left out in a field to die.
justice

Gilbert, AZ

#32 Oct 23, 2013
SickofHypocracy wrote:
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Get your facts straight before you spew out all this hatred and cast judgment on people you really don't know anything about. You only know what the media has shown you and its clear you didn't even fully pay attention to that. You look like an uneducated,hypocritical jerk. Good idea lets just pummel everyone instead of kill them. You go ahead with that idea and I am sure that you will be Chads bunk mate long before I will. Violence of any kind towards someone is bad. Unfortunately sometimes we feel there is no other option.
Also to properly inform you, Chad wasn't out of ammo. He very well could have killed the rest of them. That being said don't believe everything on tv or in the newspapers. Their stories are designed to set roles for the people involved. In this case they made Chad the villain. You people eat it up and the media laughs all the way to the bank. Don't be judgmental to people you really don't know. Speak your opinion,use your brain to properly educate yourself on the matter but have the balls to think for yourself.
I know Chad continued to lie about his experiences and training in the Army. He wanted people to think of him as something special and badass. But the truth is he didn't possess the skill, smarts, and rational thinking to do anything to protect our country.

He was a loose cannon and thats why he was forced to leave the service. Chad is the villain because he hunted these boys down for what - shinning a light and stealing a $10 lantern. Chad wasn't in any danger and either was his family. HE will rot where he belongs - in jail.
JustaThought

Ellijay, GA

#33 Oct 23, 2013
Just a thought.. if Chad and family felt so terrorized.. whey didnt they leave after the first night? Wouldn't you take your kids away from a situation where you felt threatened? I would.
To Spell The Truth

Las Vegas, NV

#34 Oct 23, 2013
If you play, you pay. Rory got what he deserved.
Truthhurts

Douglasville, GA

#35 Oct 23, 2013
When you're in the middle of no-where, with no cell phone service and people come two nights in a row to terrorize, how does one go about determining if their wannabe-thugs vandalizers or modern day Manson crazies?
Especially when you have your property posted, threatening deadly force (not that it makes it okay) but who in their right mind would eff with that property?
You bed-wetters can villainize someone who you've never been in the same position as, but the cold hard truth is, Rory McGuire committed suicide, even IF he was murdered.
SickofHypocracy

Carson City, NV

#36 Oct 23, 2013
JustaThought wrote:
Just a thought.. if Chad and family felt so terrorized.. whey didnt they leave after the first night? Wouldn't you take your kids away from a situation where you felt threatened? I would.
He owns that property, it has been in his family for decades. If it was just a campsite I would agree with you. I would do the same. This is a second home for he and his family. Nobody should have to leave their home to avoid being harassed by anyone.
SickofHypocracy

Carson City, NV

#37 Oct 23, 2013
justice wrote:
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I know Chad continued to lie about his experiences and training in the Army. He wanted people to think of him as something special and badass. But the truth is he didn't possess the skill, smarts, and rational thinking to do anything to protect our country.
He was a loose cannon and thats why he was forced to leave the service. Chad is the villain because he hunted these boys down for what - shinning a light and stealing a $10 lantern. Chad wasn't in any danger and either was his family. HE will rot where he belongs - in jail.
Here you go again commenting on things without knowing all the facts. Chad did receive ranger training however was discharged before he completed ranger school. He did not hunt the men down. It wasn't about shining a light or stealing cheap solar lights. The men claim to have been looking for a party the first night and they got lost and were trying to use the spotlight to see if they could find the house. Instead they found a camper on Chads property and when the people in the camper were disturbed they became angry and started yelling at them to turn the spotlight away from their camp. The men thought it was funny. They then proceeded to Chads property where the campsite was. Can't tell me they had good intentions knowing that they made the people in the camper mad. Thats when they stole the first light and ran off. The next morning the campers seen strange footprints indicating that someone had been back at their campsite when they went back to sleep. The men then claim that they coincidentally stopped in front of Chads property the next nigh to call and get directions to the party they couldn't find the night before. Funny thing is there's no cell phone reception for miles from Chads home. Even if there was why would they have removed their license plates and hid them in the trunk unless they had ill intentions? Chad pursued the men to identify the vehicle and the suspects. He claims that they fired a handgun at them and he returned fire with his .380 caliber handgun. Evidence shows that that may be true. The DA stated there's no way the 3 shells allegedly fired from the mens car landed within a foot and a half from each other when the car was traveling at 50 miles an hour. At least one of them tested positive for gunshot residue on his hands. They made a wrong turn into a dead end road. They made a u turn into the field and then went head on with chad. Only then did Chad fire his AR15 semi auto rifle at the men. The investigators claim he was taking aim for head shots and he did get the driver in the head with one of them. He eliminated the threat now and that's why he ceased firing and did not kill the others. The DA convinced the court that the men did not go head on towards Chad but instead tried to drive through the meadow and around Chad. However if you do your own research one of the so called victims posted his personal account of that night on his facebook page, after the dateline episode,and states that Rory did try to maneuver his vehicle around Chad through the field but then said " F*** it" and they went head on with Chads truck. That post is still currently on his page. You can get a good idea of what kind of individuals these people are without media bias directing your opinion of them. It's first hand. Maybe then you will understand Chads reaction a little better. Is Chad 100% innocent? No he definitely broke some laws but he does not deserve a conviction of first degree murder, and justice isn't properly served until the surviving men are charged and convicted of their crimes as well. I hope you open your mind and do a little research on this for yourself. You may decide that although you may not agree with how far things escalated these men are not the victims. My opinion is that the family of Rory McGuire are victims of Rorys lack of respect for others and bad decisions, while Chad and family are victims of thugs and a flawed system.
Truthhurts

Douglasville, GA

#38 Oct 25, 2013
People, who say Chad's family was NOT in danger, don't seem to possess the intelligence to understand they make their judgement AFTER the facts, 20/20 hindsight.
And just because cowardly people wouldn't have pursued a 'possible' threat, but instead would have either left their mountain home or stayed, cowering in fear, wondering if the 'crazies' come back the next night or the next or the next...

Cowards? You listening? Don't condemn people who can summon the courage to ACT simply because you cannot.
Truthhurts

Douglasville, GA

#39 Oct 25, 2013
Don't forget the footsteps around Chad's friend's camper. Those punks did not just steal some lights, they went onto the property on foot, almost up to the camper.
They purposely came back the second night to MENACE and it got the driver killed.
Uncle Eddie NYC

East Durham, NY

#40 Oct 26, 2013
Lisa wrote:
Truthie (LOL!) Why do you feel the need to attack another commenter and the children? State your opinion on the case and move on. Because, when I read your comment, you sound like a "paranoid, pissed off lunatic!" But instead of having a gun, you use your bullying words. Chill the hell out idiot!
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WHY DO YOU FEEL THE NEED TO ATTACK THE CHILDREN AND ANOTHER COMMENTER? STATE YOUR OPINION AND LET IT GO. YOU DO NOT NEED TO RANT AND RAVE BECAUSE YOU SOUND LIKE A "PARANOID, PISSED OFF LUNATIC."
Hey Lisa... You attack Truthie for telling the truth? In fact you attacked her in the very way you accused her of attacking another commenter... and then calling her names. Then, of all things, you accuse her of using words as a weapon because she "doesn't have a gun" Well, listen up DING-BAT... That is exactly the point! Those who are sane and educated do not have to use guns...
when words will suffice. As for the nut's children, she was not attacking them. She was simply stating the obvious! There certainly did appear to be "something off" with them. Hopefully that will all wear-off in time, unless their mother (who also appears to be "off") decides to carry on with the family nutty, antisocial behavior... in which case, the poor kids will probably forever be lost.
You need a license to own a dog. You don't even need to have brain to raise a child.

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