Surveillance in the US and UK: Spreading national insecurity | Editorial

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The actions of whistleblowers may embarrass governments. But where legislatures and judges fail, whistleblowers keep open the only channel left for public accountability Link to video: NSA whistleblower Edward Snowden: 'I don't want to live in a society that does these sort of things' From the angry and menacing to the more relaxed and thoughtful, ... (more)

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We The People

Sumter, SC

#1 Jun 9, 2013
Every stinking lawless rogue member of Congress will have to go underground as this story is causing tens of millions of Americans to boil over in anger.

People have had enough. These tyrants in government can argue that the law is on their side all they want. But We The People are the law. Not Congress. And certainly not Obama.

God Damn them all.
Your Ex

United States

#3 Jun 10, 2013
How is this "News"?
The NSA was formed by Truman in 1951.
1951
That's 62 years ago.
Sheepole indeed.
Gary

Bellingham, WA

#4 Jun 10, 2013
Your Ex wrote:
How is this "News"?
The NSA was formed by Truman in 1951.
1951
That's 62 years ago.
Sheepole indeed.
The Patriot Act that opened the floodgates to all
sorts of spying on the American people was signed
into law by George W. Bush in 2001 with overwhelming
support from congressional Republicans, with only
three voting against..
Gary

Bellingham, WA

#5 Jun 10, 2013
BandMaster wrote:
All this spying and Obama didn't even get Benghazi right. What a democreep he turned out to be. A bigot president Targeting innocent people with the IRS and lying to us every chance he gets.
What a democreep.
The Patriot Act that opened the floodgates to all
sorts of spying on the American people was signed
into law by George W. Bush in 2001 with overwhelming
support from congressional Republicans, with only
three voting against..
Gary

Bellingham, WA

#6 Jun 10, 2013
We The People wrote:
Every stinking lawless rogue member of Congress will have to go underground as this story is causing tens of millions of Americans to boil over in anger.
People have had enough. These tyrants in government can argue that the law is on their side all they want. But We The People are the law. Not Congress. And certainly not Obama.
God Damn them all.
The Patriot Act that opened the floodgates to all
sorts of spying on the American people was signed
into law by George W. Bush in 2001 with overwhelming
support from congressional Republicans, with only
three voting against..
Fire the GOP

San Jose, CA

#7 Jun 10, 2013
This is not surprising. Most sane Americans knew that the right-wing conservative Patriot Act granted the government the power to peer into people's personal lives. Not surprising coming from the right-wing conservatives who were also obsessed with peering into people's bedroom. Republican Peter King should hand over his personal and phone records to the American people if he truly stands by the neo-conservative Patriot Act.

Snowden is not a leak or a defector. He is a whistleblower who knew he had the moral and ethical obligation to expose the dangers of this conservative "Patriot" Act.
Lamer

Piqua, OH

#9 Jun 10, 2013
WelbyMD wrote:
<quoted text>Just read again book "Shadow Government" which was written in 2008 & 2009 and tells all about how satelites are being used by England, Australia, Israel, and the U.S. to monitor EVERY communication. Only speaking over a landline to another landline that isn't tapped provides confidentialty. Citizens band radios provide some autonomy as does most mailed letters.
Kenyan-born bisexual Obama is the Antichrist, 100% Italian & Jesuit Pope Francis is The False Prophet.
Same-sex Marriage is the abomination of desolation.
Jesus Christ is our ONLY means of escape from this Prisonplanet.
If you think you safe talking on a land line; your gonna have a bad time. People need to learn encrypted chat via the internet. Making sure your end apple/google device does not have its encryption key stored inside of the phone that they can back door in. Scrambled Phones is another. Encrypted email or drop boxes where you can drop encrypted messages for others to pick up at a later date.

If you want your privacy, you need to learn to use encryption.
Fire the GOP

San Jose, CA

#10 Jun 10, 2013
The "faux" conservatives are still feigning their outrage that President Obama is continuing their right-wing conservative policy of spying on the American people I see. The moment he does away with it, they will be crying, "what about the terrorists? bad obama!". Goes to show they are just full of hot air and phony outrage. Even when Obama gives them what they want, they whine.

I never understood why they say Obama is a liberal. Between the individual mandate and the Patriot Act, he clearly has conservative right-wing influences.

Since: Mar 11

Location hidden

#13 Jun 10, 2013
Blame Bush, blame Bush, yadda, yadda, yadda....

Obama has had five years to reign in the NSA as he said he would, instead he expanded the power.

Obama has issued what, 950 Executive Orders? One of those deals with the seizure of all communication systems in the US if the administration deals appropriate.

He's had five years to do what he promised.

Ask Michael Moore his opinion.....
Fire the GOP

San Jose, CA

#14 Jun 10, 2013
LOL. These "faux" conservatives sound like liberals feigning outrage over President Obama's right-wing conservative continuance of their American-spying conservative Patriot Act. I can't tell if they are mocking Liberals or if they've turned into ones.
Gary

Bellingham, WA

#15 Jun 10, 2013
BandMaster wrote:
<quoted text>So? Obama stinks. And I wonder what this guy has on President Oblowme if he listened in to all of Ojustblowme's conversations. There's some food for thought. Impeachment is coming. I can feel it in my bones.
Then we'll have Biden for president and he
despises these useless, lazy-ass Republicans more
than Obama does. And he's not nearly so diplomatic.
Phineas

Laurel, MD

#16 Jun 10, 2013
Hah! who do you think creates those algorithms?

Have you seen the instances of late where some dumb_a_s_s (when busted) will refuse to decrypt his hard drives full of evidence?

The authorities manage to get the drives decrypted anyway...Oh, the locals can't do it, but the feds can.....

All encrypting your electronic communications will do is GUARANTEE it gets flagged, intercepted, decrypted and read by some analyst somewhere......

Privacy died along time before the "War on Terror".....The technology has gotten better and better, as Moore's Law predicts it should.
Lamer wrote:
<quoted text>
If you think you safe talking on a land line; your gonna have a bad time. People need to learn encrypted chat via the internet. Making sure your end apple/google device does not have its encryption key stored inside of the phone that they can back door in. Scrambled Phones is another. Encrypted email or drop boxes where you can drop encrypted messages for others to pick up at a later date.
If you want your privacy, you need to learn to use encryption.
imaginaryfriend

Westland, MI

#18 Jun 10, 2013
Destroy the 1984 style ""patriot" " act and fully restore the fourth amendment. Due process of law protecting the papers and affects of citizens. This would include stopping the illegal practice of peeing in a cup and credit checks to get a job. Stop spying on us via any and all means. The Homeland insecurity buffoons protect the corporate fascists. They are the bloody terrorists.
Storm Warning

De Forest, WI

#19 Jun 10, 2013
Gary wrote:
<quoted text>
The Patriot Act that opened the floodgates to all
sorts of spying on the American people was signed
into law by George W. Bush in 2001 with overwhelming
support from congressional Republicans, with only
three voting against..
you live in Israeli occupied territory,
they do everything they can to rob you and destroy your race. They encourage sexual deviates and they allow millions of uncivilized ghetto apes to run amok
Think things through

Rochester, MN

#20 Jun 10, 2013
I certainly hope that the Corrupted Obama admin takes a huge hit, and that reps along with dems have enough balls to impeach this radical man.

“Proud To Be An American”

Since: Apr 07

Location hidden

#22 Jun 10, 2013
Gary wrote:
<quoted text>
The Patriot Act that opened the floodgates to all
sorts of spying on the American people was signed
into law by George W. Bush in 2001 with overwhelming
support from congressional Republicans, with only
three voting against..
Attention poop4brains!!! Are you trying to tell this forum there is no difference between President G. W. Bush and a self-serving twerp who launched his political career from the home of the bomb building communist-terrorist "KillYourParents" bill ayers? I suggest you take what you thought was a stroke of genius and put back in your behind...nitwit.

Since: Mar 11

Location hidden

#23 Jun 10, 2013
BandMaster wrote:
<quoted text>You stinking lying creepcrats have a lot of nerve calling conservatives lazy. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHAHAHAHAHA
Whatever did happen with OWS? You know, that invigorated, non AstroTurf , committed group of youngsters?
GHETTO GOVERNMENT

West Mifflin, PA

#24 Jun 11, 2013
government for,by and of the people, is now ,people by for and of the government.... SO I GUESS free phones for the "means tested".just compleates the "PEEPING SAMMY" . next will be free rectal exams .means tested of course. makes you wonder WHAT ELSE .
lulz

Laurinburg, NC

#25 Jun 11, 2013
Phineas wrote:
Hah! who do you think creates those algorithms?
Have you seen the instances of late where some dumb_a_s_s (when busted) will refuse to decrypt his hard drives full of evidence?
The authorities manage to get the drives decrypted anyway...Oh, the locals can't do it, but the feds can.....
All encrypting your electronic communications will do is GUARANTEE it gets flagged, intercepted, decrypted and read by some analyst somewhere......
Privacy died along time before the "War on Terror".....The technology has gotten better and better, as Moore's Law predicts it should.
<quoted text>
thats why you create better encryption. those nsa spooks are still human after all. and any man can be outsmarted...
fatbacks x

Portland, OR

#26 Jun 11, 2013
Fire the GOP wrote:
The "faux" conservatives are still feigning their outrage that President Obama is continuing their right-wing conservative policy of spying on the American people I see. The moment he does away with it, they will be crying, "what about the terrorists? bad obama!". Goes to show they are just full of hot air and phony outrage. Even when Obama gives them what they want, they whine.
I never understood why they say Obama is a liberal. Between the individual mandate and the Patriot Act, he clearly has conservative right-wing influences.
We were just crapped into the fourth term of LYING AWOL bush!

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