Local: Visalia pastor sues son over 'cyberbullying'

Oct 18, 2012 Full story: The Fresno Bee 1,863

Visalia Calvary Church pastor, the Rev. Bob Grenier, and his wife, Gayle, have sued their estranged son, Alex Grenier, accusing him of defamation and cyberbullying.

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Who

Manteca, CA

#1441 Feb 2, 2013
you says
"...look forward to reporting it...."
Who says
Not true.
You did PLENTY of reporting about the Idaho suit, including statements of the facts as you understood them and speculations about why your speculations and predictions would be proven true in a court of law.
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Then, the verdict came down, and it contradicted all of your speculations, predictions and prognostications, and not a peep from you ever again.
Just an "Oh Well!" and you were on to some other dimension of your hate campaign that would pay you the better dividends you were hoping for from the Idaho case.
I would have, as an inquiring mind, preferred more coverage of the Idaho suit. If the verdict would have fell in the direction of your prediction, I no doubt would have gotten it!
But when you don't agree with something (in this case the judge's decision), you just ignore it like it never happened.
California has extensive laws dealing with victims of abuse, and in CA victims of abuse have a solid hope of redress from injuries.
NOT SO IN THE STATE OF IDAHO.
Why don't you work on reforming the legal structure in your own backyard? CA doesn't need statute reform, as CA statutes are sufficiently powerful and successful.
NOT SO IN THE STATE OF IDAHO.
Seems if you cared about victims as much as you claim, you'd be working on fixing Idaho's broken system instead of
attacking someone with whom you just so happen to share a last name.
Private family matter.
Character assassination.
Hate campaign.
Cyberbullying.
My name is Who.
Who to Bob, Who to you, Alex, and Who to others, too. WooWho!
CalvaryChapelAbu sedotcom

Nampa, ID

#1442 Feb 2, 2013
BTW, how's your stated goal of getting me to "stop" posting on topix going?

Making any progress?
CalvaryChapelAbu sedotcom

Nampa, ID

#1443 Feb 2, 2013
Truth is an absolute defense.

My name is CalvaryChapelAbusedotcom

the box below is provided courtesy of topix especially designed for you to exercise your first amendment right. Your participation is appreciated.
CalvaryChapelAbu sedotcom

Nampa, ID

#1444 Feb 2, 2013
Untrue mischaracterization and more spin from you.

You should change your moniker to Who-irlpool.

Box, below, you know the drill...
Who

Tulare, CA

#1445 Feb 2, 2013
you says
"...BTW, how's your stated goal of getting me to "stop" posting on topix going?
Making any progress?..."
Who says
Seeing how you used to post here like an inner-city crack ho, yes I'd say I've made progress.
And just think! I've done it without violating your first amendment protection.
All I had to do is ask you questions you didn't want to answer!
My guess is that Bob earned your ire by doing precisely that---asking you questions you did not want to answer!
And rather than answer him, you decide to attack him on the internet.
Just been reading Black's Law Dictionary.
It seems that actual harm/actual malice is not as high a hurdle as you hope it is.
I'm not even sure Bob qualifies as a public figure...
You surely don't count as a journalist!
You know, those people that are obligated to print retractions when the facts on the ground show their statements to be incorrect?!
My name is Who.
Who

Manteca, CA

#1446 Feb 2, 2013
Ooh, this is classic!
Last night at michaelnewnham.com Alex made fun of a contributor for being a truck driver...said he was brainless and that driving a truck was the only thing he had worth contributing to the country....
Then more fireworks ensued.
Just checked the blog and all of Alex' incendiary comments (once again) were deleted, the comment box was closed,
AND TWO OF MICHAEL'S BEST, MOST TRUSTWORTHY CONTRIBUTORS AND MODERATORS HAVE QUIT michaelnewnham.com .
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Great job being a bully, Alex! You've done it again!
No WONDER you are getting sued.
No WONDER your family wants nothing to do with you.
My name is Who.
Michael should have just banned your ass.
Who

Manteca, CA

#1447 Feb 2, 2013
and MLD at michaelnewnham.com says
"...Well, I for one think Scottís professional transformation over the years is to be commended. He is a man willing to do whatever to support his family...."
Who says
I agree, MLD! Scott is awesome. There's nothing wrong with driving a truck for a living. My dad did for years. So do other dads.
MLD says
"...I think Scottís profession is much more noble than being a weapons supplier to mass murderers..Donít you?..."
Who says
I agree, MLD! Alex sells guns to wannabe Newtown shooters and claims that there is no problem.
Alex also says that guns don't kill people, people kill people
and then when there is a mass murder in Albuquerque THE NEXT DAY Alex blames the murders on violent video games.
People don't kill people, violent video games kill people!
Why don't guns kill people again, exactly, Alex?!
MLD says
"...At least Scott is not continuously posting shirtless pictures of himself on Facebook and other venues...."
Who says
No KIDDING, MLD! Once again, I agree. General reader, just go to Alex' facebook page and you will see that he has an unhealthy fetish for taking pictures of himself with his shirt off and posting the pictures at various places on the internet, usually with a caption that says something like
"Do I look like the kind of guy Bob would pick on now?! No! Bob would get his ass kicked and you know it!"
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I do have to admit I am majorly bummed to see Alex bully nomans and BrianD out of the picture.
If Alex just behaved more reasonably, their exits would never have happened.
If Alex just behaved more reasonably, he wouldn't be getting sued as we speak.
My name is Who.
Who

Meridian, ID

#1448 Feb 2, 2013
I read the stuff and I think Alex was right and was sticking up for a girl named Misty and made a joke about some guy named Scots truck driving. I think it had a smile face or something.

My name is Who.
Who

Meridian, ID

#1449 Feb 2, 2013
Who wrote:
you says
"...BTW, how's your stated goal of getting me to "stop" posting on topix going?
Making any progress?..."
Who says
Seeing how you used to post here like an inner-city crack ho, yes I'd say I've made progress.
And just think! I've done it without violating your first amendment protection.
All I had to do is ask you questions you didn't want to answer!
My guess is that Bob earned your ire by doing precisely that---asking you questions you did not want to answer!
And rather than answer him, you decide to attack him on the internet.
Just been reading Black's Law Dictionary.
It seems that actual harm/actual malice is not as high a hurdle as you hope it is.
I'm not even sure Bob qualifies as a public figure...
You surely don't count as a journalist!
You know, those people that are obligated to print retractions when the facts on the ground show their statements to be incorrect?!
My name is Who.
Looks like he's still posting.

My name is Who.
Who

Meridian, ID

#1450 Feb 2, 2013
In these here parts we know bullshit when we see it and that california who sure is full of it.

My name is still Who.
Who

Meridian, ID

#1451 Feb 2, 2013
I dont know anyone but it sure seems like this guy who is a real nut and doesn't make any since.

my name is Who
Who

Meridian, ID

#1452 Feb 2, 2013
I have been reading and who sure is out there. I read the article on news about cavalry chapel and it sure looks like some people are out to get Alex for speaking up. Thats what it looks like.

My name is who
Who

Meridian, ID

#1453 Feb 2, 2013
CalvaryChapelAbusedotcom wrote:
BTW, how's your stated goal of getting me to "stop" posting on topix going?
Making any progress?
I agree! its pretty funny. I've been reading this and laughing.
Who

Meridian, ID

#1454 Feb 2, 2013
Alex don't let it bother you. People can see it for what is is. You have a lot of people in your corner here.

My name is who
Who

Meridian, ID

#1455 Feb 2, 2013
inconceivable wrote:
<quoted text>
I'm 100% sure that Alex didn't say anything about what BG did to Paul until Paul said it publicly. I'm afraid your ability to discern right from wrong and truth from fiction, is fundamentally flawed. Anyone can see that and they do, that's why no one comes on here to agree with you.
You are such an idiot. You believe what BG says in his book, why? He's offered no evidence that he was molested or a drug dealer, except for his words recalling things that happened 20+ years ago.
Paul recollections are from half as long ago, of multiple things done by his father and pastor. IMO 1000% worse.
It's ridiculous that you can't comprehend that. Again you are extremely flawed. I hope no one you know has been raped or molested. You'd probably Blain then for asking for it.
That is a good point
Who

Meridian, ID

#1456 Feb 2, 2013
Who wrote:
Glad you asked. I'm all about principles, and anyone that has read here long enough has read before what I'm going to type to you now.
I am a neo-Luddite-I believe the internet has introduced negative things into the world, and the good doesn't balance the bad out.
We've made it easier for pervs to trade kiddie porn just so we can buy books at amazon.com for a dollar less than we used to be able to from the bookstores that went out of business.
I am a Christian. I believe that Alex' internet behavior is prohibited by Scripture, and since I am free to voice that opinion, I do.
I adhere to a foundationalist epistemology, so I do not believe that the truth can be arrived at my typing the same accusations over and over again. Saying it doesn't make it true, and that's all Alex is, all the time. To quote Hamlet, "Words, words, words.
I adhere to a correspondence theory of truth. A proposition cannot be true unless there is an isomorphism between the proposition and a fact in the world that the proposition describes. For a variety of reasons having to do with Alex' presentation, I do not believe that the propositions he utters accurately mirror facts in the world.
Do I believe that Bob was a hardass? Sure. What parent isn't?
Do I believe it is correct to give your old father a hard time in public for being a hardass? No I don't.
Do I believe that Bob engaged in state-defined child abuse? No, I do not.
Alex' presentation morphs into whatever he needs at the moment, and it gives him serious credibility issues.
As I said a few pages ago... any police officer or administrator of justice, if answered in the way that Alex answers on his hatesite and on the internet generally, would be forced to go to their supervisor and tell their supervisor that Alex has credibility issues and that he should probably not be believed. It has to do with how he either
a)ignores questions you ask him
b)answers questions you did not ask
c)becomes abusive and insulting when you've boxed him into a corner enough such that not answering or ignoring you question is no longer possible for him.
He's squiggly like a serpent.
I could go on, but I'll respond to your reason for believing Alex later, and why your reason for believing him is so flawed.
My name is Who.
I never herd of it. Sounds made up to me
Who

Meridian, ID

#1457 Feb 2, 2013
Who wrote:
you says
"...do not respond or even take note of Who..."
Who says
Way to respond to valid criticism! If a cop gives you a speeding ticket, do you not respond?
I'm giving you tickets for poor thinking and nefarious hate campaigning.
you says
"... Ignore the pathetic individual...."
Who says
Thanks for the insult!
you says
"... Who is a tool of the Enemy spewing nonsensical trash..."
Who says
Thanks for the insult!
you says
"...Who has shown up on several cenral vally blogs, always the same MO;..."
Who says
Not true. I post at topix.com . I COULD be engaging on facebook, but I believe that topix.com is the only one I've been called to contribute to.
you says
"... just pure evil.Ignore Who..."
Who says
What a way to go through life! Come across someone you disagree with? Just ignore them! If you really wanted to ignore Who, you would not have posted this at topix.com .
you says
"...the deranged individual probably will not go away, until committed..."
Who says
Thanks for the insult!
you says
"... don't give Who the satisfaction of believing anyone reads the garbage..."
Who says
You posting this gives me the satisfaction of believing people read my "garbage." I mean, after all, YOU are posting here telling others to ignore me. Therefore, there are people that read here, and they likely don't ignore me.
My guess is that I have accrued followers that communicate their dissatisfaction with Alex TO ALEX.
I'll bet some people cut and paste my words into e-mails they send Alex, just to prove to themselves that yes, Alex does indeed ignore valid opposing viewpoints.
Alex probably spent many years ignoring his father's valid opposing viewpoints.
I mean, that's what the parent/child relationship is all about, right?
My name is Who.
Who to Bob, Who to Alex, Who to you. WooWho!
My name is Who to who woohoo! I think that who is on crack
Who

Meridian, ID

#1458 Feb 2, 2013
inconceivable wrote:
"I have agonized over what I am about to share. I was the victim of sexual abuse in our home at the hands of my father. That is all the detail I will give publicly."
By Paul Grenier
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"Oh yes, I almost forgot to tell you that there was another boy named David who used to sleep next to me in that dor- mitory; and one night I felt him pulling back the covers of my bed and getting into bed with me. I was not sure what was happening and not sure what to do. I just lay there frozen as David did what he did. No one ever knew about it ... not the nuns, the priests, or my parents. Only David and I. Not an uncommon thing to have happen to boys and girls."
From the book A Common Miracle by Bob Grenier
Chapter 1, page 3, last paragraph.
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Now I'm no expert, like Who thinks he is, but I can see a pretty clear diferance about the way these two individuals write. To me BG seems dismissive and aloof to the his own molestation and his son seems upset and in his own words, victimized by his father. IT WAS DONE BY HIS FATHER. Not some kid in the next bunk. Both bad situations. But "David" was not BG's father.
This is not comprehend able by Who and he will give BG his backing no matter what. We could have pics of BG doing the deed and Who Camp Bob would spin the blame on Alex.
Alex didn't molest his brother Paul, Bob Grenier did. Alex didn't molest BG, by BG's own words, David did.
What the common denominator in both molestations? BG
Who can never be intellectually honest with himself to see this. He is clearly biased.
Who did it? BG, that's Who!
That is bad right their
Who

Meridian, ID

#1459 Feb 2, 2013
I forgot my name is Who
Who

Meridian, ID

#1460 Feb 2, 2013
Afterwhile Pedofile wrote:
Here is why bob Grenier is suing. He is trying to silence the victims using money and power.
Paul Grenier says he was MOLESTED by his father Bob Grenier.
Alex Grenier says he was beaten by his step father Bob Grenier.
Geoffe Grenier says he was beaten and locked in the closet numerous times by his step father Bob Grenier.
All three sons have achieved above average success in thier carriers and collaborative each others stories. They have nothing to gain and everything to lose.
ALL 3 SONS BACK EACHOTHERS STORIES!
"Who" defends a child molester and attacks the victims, seemingly for the joy of it.
makes since to me

My name is Who

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