Visalia Calvary Church pastor, the Rev. Bob Grenier, and his wife, Gayle, have sued their estranged son, Alex Grenier, accusing him of defamation and cyberbullying.Full Story
#914 Dec 7, 2012
Sure, why don't you.
YOU are the one that has continued to use topix.com despite the fact that you opened your own editable hatesite! Why stop now?
You are always SO inconsistent and prone to misrepresentation, Alex!
My name is Who.
#915 Dec 7, 2012
"...You've SAID you were abused, but that is not the same as providing reasons for belief.
You've said you have other corraborating things, but you haven't shared those to the public. Why?
All of those 'testimonies' you say you gave to Chuck,
WHY NOT POST THEM ALL AT topix.com or at your hatesite so that the general reader can form an opinion without having to take your word for it?
Why are you so reticent to provide the general reader with what they need to come to a more informed opinion?
This fact that you are reaching conclusions based upon things that you are not sharing with the public is a HUGE RED FLAG that you either have some things to hide (at worst), or you are afraid that if you provided all of the info the general reader would see what you are doing as a hate campaign.
My name is Who..."
Excellent point, Who!
#916 Dec 7, 2012
"...Read the comments thread, I was pretty much asked similar by "River" in essence...."
'pretty much asked similar'? What on God's green earth does that mean? It seems to mean everything.
Just read River's contributions to your latest thread and he nowhere asked you anything similar to the question I asked at the bottom of the previous page.
"...I explained my take very thoroughly there..."
I beg to differ. I am trying to understand you, Alex. Help me to understand what you are saying.
"...Do i need to copy and paste? Don't you stalk me there already?..."
Once again, you are the one with the habit of using multiple media vehicles; why stop now?
#918 Dec 8, 2012
you did ask something that wasn't essentially covered in that thread
i've personally scrutinized the church i am a member at and here's why i attend (partly)
1. official membership: i have a say, so do other members, the pastor doesn't own all the Jesus "stuff" in a Trust he and his family/cronies solely control
2. we elect the Elders
3. the elders have power, the Senior Pastor is not a "Benevolent Dictator" as BG described himself. if the Pastor goes off the rails, there is recourse for the regular tithing/giving sucker in the pews
4. Financial Transparency: the books are open to the membership, we can see where the money is going
5. SOLID CHILD PROTECTIONS: I have personally discussed my situation and my concerns with CC with our pastor, with another pastor at our church and with the pastor that heads up the youth/family ministries and the pastor that heads up the youth. they know my Cause and my concern. They have very solid Procedures in place to protect kids. They vet/background check, have a great process to sign in and sign out young kids. They have a zero tolerance policy for those accused of child abuse and/or molestation or child porn etc etc. they Report to authorities first. They don't tell a mother (like BG did) to not report molestation and handle it only in-house. They report and they handle it in-house. Report first, and if the person somehow beats the rap, err on the safe side and let them "minister" in another capacity, but keep them away from kids, just in case. our system isn't perfect, as exampled by Iglesias, bg, and many others.
my church is not part of an Association or Denomination like Calvary Chapel, therefore they are doing all they can do.
Calvary Chapel is an Association and Affiliation and pseudo-Denomination. THey have the ability to black-ball / black-list pastors, employs, non-member members who are 'divisive!" or insubordinate etc, I've seen it happen in action....they have the ability to revoke Affiliation. They have Conferences, websites, communication channels to communicate to all their 1500 CC's
they can use that infrastructure and mechanism to warn the 1500 CC's about known or accused threats to children, they can Mandate strict Child Protections be implemented and enforced in EVERY and EACH of the 1500 CC's out there.
Right now, it's a crap shoot. A former high level CCCM Insider states that the percentage of the 1500 CC's who do a good job protecting children the best they can is a very low percentage.
CC is a Brand, many folks will only go to a CC. A perp gets comfortable with the Brand also. In the case of the CC Idaho Molestations, Iglesias simply left Raul Ries's CC (the lawsuit alleges) and then met new kids through his relationships as youth leader at different CC's. The suit alleges Ries's CC knew of a pedophiia problem, removed Iglesias for a period of time from working with kids, then restored him. Raul's CC didn't warn any of the CC's about this problem, or if his CC did, they aren't copping to it.
#919 Dec 8, 2012
Calvary Chapel, with their central offices and resources (formerly CCOF now CC Association) also has the ability to conduct their own "investigations' and publish reports...just like they did with regards to Phil Aguilar and Set Free.
They used the resources and power they have to investigate, make a judgment and then Warn the public about Aguilar and Set Free.
They have that ability and that responsibility to do it with regards to their own CC Affiliated Pastors.
#920 Dec 8, 2012
"who", you really should end your posts with "Stalk to you later!"
that would be better than your lame "who' canard
#921 Dec 8, 2012
that up yonder is funny, c'mon...you know it is!
who says, "Stalk to you later!"
#922 Dec 8, 2012
I'll unravel your mess later.
What I'd like to note right now is how
a) I asked you a question
b) you read my question and said the question had essentially been asked of you already, and for me to look it up there.
c) I went to your hatesite, found that the question had never been asked of you and that thus you never addressed my question
d)I came back to topix.com and told you that you have yet to answer my question, then
e) you come back here and say 'oops yoou are right I never answered your question
f) and I'd like to note YOU STILL HAVEN'T ANSWERED MY QUESTION.
#923 Dec 8, 2012
i'd unravel your mess...but you're like that piece of jewelry chain that's so far tangled it's unsalvageable and just has to get scrapped
response in that box below is appreciated (as you say)
#924 Dec 8, 2012
"...i'd unravel your mess...but you're like that piece of jewelry chain that's so far tangled it's unsalvageable and just has to get scrapped..."
fitting analogy from a pawnshop owner.
Still haven't answered by question.
If the San Antonio events occurred in the church you attend, WHAT WOULD YOU SAY?
#925 Dec 8, 2012
THIS SONG IS AWESOME!
It's my new theme song:
lots of con men in church pulpits getting rich off of Jesus money
#926 Dec 8, 2012
Question is still there
#927 Dec 8, 2012
answer is still there
#929 Dec 8, 2012
Those are policies that the church has in place.
the QUESTION WAS what would you say if it happened where you attend?
San Antonio had policies not unlike the ones you listed, and it happened to them,
SO I ASK YOU AGAIN, IF IT HAPPENED WHERE YOU ATTEND, WHAT WOULD YOU SAY?
Please, no dodging. Pss your last post was a dodge.
#930 Dec 8, 2012
In other words, I am not asking you why you attend the church you currently attend.
I am asking , if what occurred in San Antonio occurred at you church,
WHAT WOULD YOU SAY?
#931 Dec 8, 2012
I already answered the question, read the stuff again
reply in the box below
#932 Dec 8, 2012
You did no such thing.
You gave me reasons why you think the church you attend is a good church to attend, but San Antonio has the same protections in place, more or less, and yet it happened to them.
The question is, if the same events occurred at the church you attend, what would you say?
Every time you refuse to answer questions, every time you dodge very clear questions that you have read, every time you say you have answered a question when you have in fact not, it shows your duplicity, your capacity for misrepresentation and your unwillingness to type anything on topix.com that does not serve your hate campaigning ends.
When you dodge my simple questions, it doesn't help your case much.
My name is Who.
#933 Dec 8, 2012
"...i've personally scrutinized the church i am a member at and here's why i attend (partly)..."
This is an answer to a question I absolutely did not ask.
I've read your answer to THAT question, which is WHY I didn't ask THAT question.
I asked THIS one.
If the same events that occurred in San Antonio occurred at the church you attend, what would you say?
#934 Dec 9, 2012
did to, neener neener
read it again, all of it, the thread etc, the blog etc this thread etc
#935 Dec 9, 2012
you can post your reply in the box provided below (as you say)
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