Visalia Calvary Church pastor, the Rev. Bob Grenier, and his wife, Gayle, have sued their estranged son, Alex Grenier, accusing him of defamation and cyberbullying.
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#828 Dec 5, 2012
I forgot to add a hearty
#829 Dec 5, 2012
Like I said, Alex, I'm not going to go around with you about some tangential matter in Idaho. The topic of THIS topix.com thread is how you are a cyberbully that pushes around and threatens and falsely accuses other posters that don't agree with you totally.
As soon as you smell any difference of opinion, you become a bully in a china shop.
Time Machine, engage!
Alex Grenier is a semi-experienced former media professional that received special training in college on how to originate, manage and conduct/coordinate character assassination hate campaigns, and Alex is currently engaged in a hate campaign against the only family on earth that loved him enough to raise him.
Do you agree or disagree with the previous sentence, Alex?
Provide your answer and THE REASONS for your answer in the empty box that topix.com has provided for you below.
Thank you in advance, and cordially,
#830 Dec 5, 2012
who said, "you accused ME of committing a criminal act"
well you keep saying "My name is Who!"
so I believe your name is who
#831 Dec 5, 2012
do you have a last name?
#832 Dec 5, 2012
"...There's a dip pit in hell for you Who and your digging for the bottom with a smile. I'd like to say I'd pray for you but I can't. Burn in hell Who, soon I hope, burn in hell..."
#833 Dec 5, 2012
^^ that stuff up thar is funny
unfortunately, the underlying issues aren't
#834 Dec 5, 2012
you won't discuss the idaho calvary chapel molestation case b/c i proved you were wrong and you've got no way to wriggle out of it
#835 Dec 5, 2012
posts are crossing, I was referring to my comments being funny, who's are generally lame
#836 Dec 5, 2012
the youth leader / instructor at Calvary Chapel San Antonio getting arrested by the FBI for distributing child pornography is yet another example of how prevalent these issues are in Calvary Chapel and why it's important to continue to warn the public and lobby for reforms, investigations etc
#837 Dec 5, 2012
i'll respond later
you know my name, it's tattooed in yo dome
#838 Dec 5, 2012
If you were discussing blacks or jews the anti-defamation league would have had your ass by now.
Try this analogous argument.
"There's this black dude that pushed a guy in front of a subway in new york. Therefore my black neighbor is likely to try and kill me. People of America, avoid blacks! If you see any blacks, especially if they are talking to other blacks, definitely call the cops.
Employers! Mandatory drug tests for all potential hires that are black, please. Because, like pastors, black birds of a feather flock together!
People of America! I, Alex Grenier am warning you of the dangers inherent in dealing with black people!"
That is essentially your argument. Look there's this criminal in San Antonio, he was a pastor therefore your pastor is a child molester. What was your pastor's name again?
All in an attempt to paint your father in as negative light as possible. Very Christian of you. Not.
#839 Dec 5, 2012
no i disagree
#841 Dec 5, 2012
there is a man in Calvary Chapel San Antonio Universal City Texas who is a youth instructor who just got arrested by the FBI for distributing child pornography
there is a man in jail named Iglesias who molested kids he met through his CC youth leader connections
the same man was allegedly a known pedophile at another Calvary Chapel (and the judge in Idaho did not rule against that claim, he merely let Mothership off the hook for liability)
the allegedly known pedophile got restored by one CC and then went to another CC where he met and molested more kids
CC does not have good protections in place to keep this from happening.
CC has a senior pastor in a Chuck Smith affiliated and endorsed Pulpit today who has allegations from his blood son that says he was molested by him
this pastor is allowed to continue to be a CC pastor in good standing w/o a full investigation
all of this shows that CC is not a safe place for kids in my opinion
there is a distinct possibility the perp in Texas could end up at another CC working with kids and with the lax way in which Calvary Chapel deals with these issues, it is likely IMO, that this man could hurt kids
#842 Dec 5, 2012
Overly Concerned is making some great points on the CC Abuse blog tonight:
"Alex anyone who dares to say that ďItís not Calvary Chapelís fault! This guy got arrested! The children at Calvary Chapel arenít in danger! Youíre just using it to smear Calvary Chapel!Ē would just be showing the sick logic that CC nationwide is known for. Countless bloggers over many years have documented that when they tried to speak about problems within different parts of CC nationwide some of the tactics used to discredit them was for CC to suggest that they were crazy or that they were filled with hate and bitterness even if those people begged for changes to be made that would correct problems."
#843 Dec 5, 2012
i can correct your spin and wrongness until the day i breath my last in this existence
it keeps me sharp and focused on these important issues
#844 Dec 5, 2012
>>A known pedophile went to another COUPLE of CC's and met kids through his CC youth leader position and molested them
>> IDAHO calvary chapel molestation case
the youth leader..
>> An instructor at Calvary Chapel SAN ANTONIO getting arrested by the FBI for distributing child pornography is yet another example of how prevalent these issues are in Calvary Chapel and wh it's important to continue to warn the public and lobby for reforms, investigations etc
>>CCOF and Costa Mecca off the hook..
OMG!! All this scandal about the evil deeds and evil doers connected to the infamous Calvary Chapel,(there may be many more instances- but I C&P this from only 1 page here, and that was enough!) boggles my mind!!
Simple enough solution to stop future devious and deviant acts- instead of Alex's reasoning.."why it's important to continue to warn the public and lobby for reforms, investigations etc."
-I'm quite sure with so many nationwide crimes committed by this Criminal Calvary chain, the public is aware of and have been warned about these evil-doers.
If reforms haven't been enacted yet, and all these scandalous crimes committed haven't been thoroughly investigated, then there's definitely something wrong here!
- Solution would be to stop going to these dens of inequity- or shut them all down- put an end to these type of "churches" whose leaders aren't held accountable for their own actions, nor their underlings and sheeples...baa baa baa blacksheep. For shame!!
#845 Dec 5, 2012
I think that if sheeples still want to attend (? services- or whatever the hell it is that sheeples do there at these infamous Calvary Chapels??)for reasons I sure as hell could never understand- and subject their children to the possible risks of being molested by one of the many pedophiles that seem to be drawn to the CChapels, the clueless parents should indeed get a clue, and do NOT let their children out of their sights, and never ever should they let some eager beaver teenaged choir boy, or perp from church, be left alone, baby-sit, take the kiddies out for ice-cream, go to the park and play....etc...with any young child- period!
This applies to other churches, and venues which pedophiles flock to in hopes of doing what they do best- get close to the kiddies and earn the parents and kiddies trust.
#846 Dec 5, 2012
...Just wondering if a small photo I just ran across at the Calvary Chapel Abuse site- of what appeared to be a very tanned white? man, or light skinned black man, with a rather large spider web looking tat around his left eye area, is THE Calvary Chapel Pastor Bob Grenie that is the topic of this Topix forum?
Things sure must have changed...LOL!
Only cons and bikers (in America) would have tats so obviously displayed- on their face, adorned with the common skull & bones, or spider webs...
#847 Dec 6, 2012
No, Who re ANYONE, that is not Alex' father-dig around his hatesite longer and I'm sure you'll find at least one clearly labelled picture of his father.
Spiky gray hair, etc.
Who re ANYONE says
"... and do NOT let their children out of their sights, and never ever should they let some eager beaver teenaged choir boy, or perp from church, be left alone, baby-sit, take the kiddies out for ice-cream, go to the park and play....etc...with any young child- period!..."
I completely agree. All of the terrible things that occur just boggles the mind. The guy in San Antonio deserves to feel pain before he leaves planet earth.
To my mind, Alex' father is not accused of anything so greivous.
If Alex' father were involved in some FBI sting like the dude in San Antonio, well, my opinion would change.
But as it stands now,
No agency has accused Bob of committing any crime, despite Alex' repeated goadings for any agency to do so.
No agency that has investigated Alex' accusations against his father has decided that Alex' accusations have any supporting evidence.
The only reason any reader has for agreeing with Alex are ALEX' OWN WORDS.
Alex' many public claims are made without a shred of evidence offered to support his weighty claims.
For noticing these points, I am likely to be threatened by Alex with a lawsuit or some criminal complaint.
When Alex chooses to, he harps, rants, raves and yells about his family.
When Alex wants, he changes gears and harps, rants, raves and yells about an international Christian organization.
When Alex wants, he chooses to IGNORE ENTIRELY other international Christian organizations.
Alex, if you have never been in a homosexual relationship, would you apologize for having been in a homosexual relationship if someone on the internet demanded that you apologize for being in a homosexual relationship?
This is exactly analogous to what you are demanding of your father.
My name is Who.
#848 Dec 6, 2012
Top of the next page is yours.
I'm betting that Alex continues his ranting hate campaign on the next page.
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