Area gun sales, fears rising

Nov 14, 2012 | Posted by: roboblogger | Full story: North Port Sun

Gun stores in Charlotte County have experienced increased sales since Election Day as local gun owners brace for an anticipated restriction of gun laws following the re-election of President Barack Obama.

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Have you really read the bill? Which of the 23 executive orders say, "Turn in your gunz". I am for universal background checks, and any kind of assault weepon regulation I can get. When the last time anybody's use their assault weepon to take out 20 something bad guys,,,,,,yeah I guess I miss that story.
Maybe you did. Her bill restricts citizens to revolver hand guns only which empowers criminals who will continue using semi-automatic guns for their crimes. Now that's real protection for a citizen who's attacked by several people instead of one. Oh, and if you are attacked, you better make sure you don't miss and hit a vital area of your attacker because you won't have many bullets left after those first few shots.

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What friggne moronic rant, at least you are well versed with wingnuz talking points! Stop it with the mega stupid talking points or do you honestly think lower taxes for the super wealthy is fair or even logical? People who make their money in wages (paychecks) pay taxes at a higher rate, while those who get most of their income from investments pay at lower rates or nothing at all. Remember, there is a big difference between “wealth” and “income”! The wealthiest 1% of families, in this country, owns over 35% of the nation's net worth, the top 10% of families owns over 75%, and the bottom 40% of the population owns less than 1%. Please, all you wing-nuts, pull your heads out of your collective rectum.
You could cure that with a flat tax.

If you made money and forget about giving it fancy names like income or wealth it would have the rich paying more.

Let's say 15 % is fair and a man or women makes 25,000.00 dollars a year.

25,000 x 15%= 3,750.00

Now lets say a man or women makes 2.5 million dollars(remember in this scenario it does not matter how)

2,500,000.00 x 15%= 375,000.

Now if my math is correct we have the rich paying more .
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Huh? If you get any more stupid with your rants your inflated head will explode! It's time to put an end to that centuries old scam and tax rich people by what they own not what they make. They may well pay 70% of all federal taxes collected but they also own 90% of what can be owned! Wage earners are in fact paying a higher % of what they have. It stands to reason that “wage-earners” contribute less in federal taxes but they pay on every single $ they make, yet they own nothing or very little. It is the absolute height of perversity for someone who has millions or billions of dollars, insisting they must acquire MORE and pay less . After all, their stake in a secure and healthy country is far greater than that of the rest of us - the rabble!
Obviously you don't know the difference between payroll taxes and federal income taxes. 47% of people who may or may not be working pay no federal income tax at all. Yes, they may pay SS tax, federal withholding, Medicare tax, but not income tax.

What we really need is to drastically reduce spending while making most all pay income tax of some kind. We can't keep going to the wealthy because the wealthy are the people who provide us jobs and support the market which many of us have our IRA's in.

According to the New York Times, if DumBama had his way which was to allow the Bush tax cuts to expire on people making over $250,000 per year, that would have only netted us 800 billion in ten years. Doing the math, that's only 80 billion dollars per year. We spend more than that on food stamps alone every year.

And no, the top 10% do not own 90% of what can be owned. The top 20% owns about 85% according the latest figure in 2007.
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Where Is My America wrote:
<quoted text>You could cure that with a flat tax.
If you made money and forget about giving it fancy names like income or wealth it would have the rich paying more.
Let's say 15 % is fair and a man or women makes 25,000.00 dollars a year.
25,000 x 15%= 3,750.00
Now lets say a man or women makes 2.5 million dollars(remember in this scenario it does not matter how)
2,500,000.00 x 15%= 375,000.
Now if my math is correct we have the rich paying more .
This is true, but there would still be a lot of people out of the loop. A consumption tax hits everybody regardless of wealth or income. It taxes the poor, the middle-class and the wealthy.

Some people earn money under the table such as local entertainers, construction workers doing part time work, people in the restaurant industry and just about anyplace where cash is exchanged with no receipt.

With a consumption tax, it doesn't matter if your income is on the books or not. You pay taxes when you buy products. If you win a small amount in a lottery like $400.00, it will be taxed when you spend it. If you make an illegal drug sale, you will pay taxes on that profit you made when you spend it. If you win a small amount of money at the horse races, it will be taxed when you spend it. Same holds true if you are a prostitute or a strip dancer.
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Where Is My America wrote:
<quoted text>You could cure that with a flat tax.
If you made money and forget about giving it fancy names like income or wealth it would have the rich paying more.
Let's say 15 % is fair and a man or women makes 25,000.00 dollars a year.
25,000 x 15%= 3,750.00
Now lets say a man or women makes 2.5 million dollars(remember in this scenario it does not matter how)
2,500,000.00 x 15%= 375,000.
Now if my math is correct we have the rich paying more .
Shows how out of touch you are! Your idea of fair tax makes about as much sense as national sales tax, where the only tax is on money spent. My 25000 which is all spent to survive and your 200,000 that you spent to survive is taxed at lets say 20%. Bottom line I am taxed on 100% of my made money(as you call it) while you would be taxed on 10% of your made money. Now back to your system my 25000 minus - 3750 tax leaves me 3750 in debt. Your 2.5 mil minus 375,000 leaves you with 2.125 mil in the bank. All off of the back of my labor for you. Please get real. You are close to having the right idea though, and that would be a progressive fair tax with all loopholes eliminated. See how easy it is to paint your own picture with numbers and the 1% are the professional painters.
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<quoted text>Shows how out of touch you are! Your idea of fair tax makes about as much sense as national sales tax, where the only tax is on money spent. My 25000 which is all spent to survive and your 200,000 that you spent to survive is taxed at lets say 20%. Bottom line I am taxed on 100% of my made money(as you call it) while you would be taxed on 10% of your made money. Now back to your system my 25000 minus - 3750 tax leaves me 3750 in debt. Your 2.5 mil minus 375,000 leaves you with 2.125 mil in the bank. All off of the back of my labor for you. Please get real. You are close to having the right idea though, and that would be a progressive fair tax with all loopholes eliminated. See how easy it is to paint your own picture with numbers and the 1% are the professional painters.
You will never get a bill that calls for the elimination of all deductions because it would be political suicide. Deductions include medical deductions, charitable contributions and mortgage interest payments which will affect most Americans.

I'm a landlord, and most of the money I collect in rent goes to pay the bills around here. If they didn't allow me to use all these deductions, the only way I would be able to pay taxes on gross rent collections is if I just about doubled everybody's rent.
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You will never get a bill that calls for the elimination of all deductions because it would be political suicide. Deductions include medical deductions, charitable contributions and mortgage interest payments which will affect most Americans.
I'm a landlord, and most of the money I collect in rent goes to pay the bills around here. If they didn't allow me to use all these deductions, the only way I would be able to pay taxes on gross rent collections is if I just about doubled everybody's rent.
lol! And that's where the equality ends son. So really government puts money in your pocket.
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<quoted text>lol! And that's where the equality ends son. So really government puts money in your pocket.
When it comes to responsible productive people, government doesn't give us anything, they just take away less. It's the irresponsible non-productive people government gives money to.

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xxxrayted wrote:
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When it comes to responsible productive people, government doesn't give us anything, they just take away less. It's the irresponsible non-productive people government gives money to.
Spot on!!
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What makes me mad is normal people like myself who use guns for hunting and true home protection are paying a crazy price for the CRAZY NUTS. The people out there who started buying up thousands of rounds have driven up prices by doing so. Now those of us who just buy a box of shells when need one have to pay crazy prices....It suxs because some end or earthers are stocking up for world war 3.
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What makes me mad is normal people like myself who use guns for hunting and true home protection are paying a crazy price for the CRAZY NUTS. The people out there who started buying up thousands of rounds have driven up prices by doing so. Now those of us who just buy a box of shells when need one have to pay crazy prices....It suxs because some end or earthers are stocking up for world war 3.
The write to your President and perhaps a few other Democrats and tell them to keep their trap shut. If they kept their mouths shut right from the beginning, ammo would be at a normal price. Not that I believe you own guns anyway.

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This is true, but there would still be a lot of people out of the loop. A consumption tax hits everybody regardless of wealth or income. It taxes the poor, the middle-class and the wealthy.
Some people earn money under the table such as local entertainers, construction workers doing part time work, people in the restaurant industry and just about anyplace where cash is exchanged with no receipt.
With a consumption tax, it doesn't matter if your income is on the books or not. You pay taxes when you buy products. If you win a small amount in a lottery like $400.00, it will be taxed when you spend it. If you make an illegal drug sale, you will pay taxes on that profit you made when you spend it. If you win a small amount of money at the horse races, it will be taxed when you spend it. Same holds true if you are a prostitute or a strip dancer.
Europe has this today and it's effect is anti-consumerism.

Go to Amazon.com and ship something to EU countries and Amazon will tell you to add 18% to the purchase.

Those who make the least also called the majority of people are hit the hardest.

Back home in the USA I don't think government needs to collect every penny it says it is due as Government here was set up to be the slave of the master and not to enslave it's population.

The USA government should facilitate commerce and trade and not be on every corner with it's hand out only to grow itself while regulating far to many businesses out of existence.

You might not think you are effected by over regulation but we are importing more food then ever when we have fertile fields being put in to fallow by government and the coal industry is being regulated out of existence.

Small business owners say when surveyed that the number one reason keeping them from expanding is the burden of regulation.

Even the GAO says the effective tax rate is 50 percent.

When was it decided that government on a Federal level was put in place to tell our farmers what and how much to plant and what to teach our children in local schools and what constitutes a religion and be the number one buyer of home mortgages in the secondary market as well as decided everything from the height of a fire extinguisher in a factory to home many ounces of toothpaste you can board a airplane with.

Certainly this was not the plan of our founding fathers.
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The write to your President and perhaps a few other Democrats and tell them to keep their trap shut. If they kept their mouths shut right from the beginning, ammo would be at a normal price. Not that I believe you own guns anyway.
This is not an issue of democrats or any party. No one has said they will ban anything but military style weapons. Yet people have went nuts and even buying out 30-06 and 30-30 and 9mm and 7mm and 243 and 270 rounds....No one has threatend those rounds at all. So why them out and drive prices up.

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That should be "how" many ounces of toothpaste not "home".

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Spocko wrote:
<quoted text>Huh? If you get any more stupid with your rants your inflated head will explode! It's time to put an end to that centuries old scam and tax rich people by what they own not what they make. They may well pay 70% of all federal taxes collected but they also own 90% of what can be owned! Wage earners are in fact paying a higher % of what they have. It stands to reason that “wage-earners” contribute less in federal taxes but they pay on every single $ they make, yet they own nothing or very little. It is the absolute height of perversity for someone who has millions or billions of dollars, insisting they must acquire MORE and pay less . After all, their stake in a secure and healthy country is far greater than that of the rest of us - the rabble!
Then they do like I did and just move their assets out of the USA

OOOPs let's not forget that liberals like these did the same

Gates
Jobs
Oprah
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Where Is My America wrote:
<quoted text>Europe has this today and it's effect is anti-consumerism.
Go to Amazon.com and ship something to EU countries and Amazon will tell you to add 18% to the purchase.
Those who make the least also called the majority of people are hit the hardest.
Back home in the USA I don't think government needs to collect every penny it says it is due as Government here was set up to be the slave of the master and not to enslave it's population.
The USA government should facilitate commerce and trade and not be on every corner with it's hand out only to grow itself while regulating far to many businesses out of existence.
You might not think you are effected by over regulation but we are importing more food then ever when we have fertile fields being put in to fallow by government and the coal industry is being regulated out of existence.
Small business owners say when surveyed that the number one reason keeping them from expanding is the burden of regulation.
Even the GAO says the effective tax rate is 50 percent.
When was it decided that government on a Federal level was put in place to tell our farmers what and how much to plant and what to teach our children in local schools and what constitutes a religion and be the number one buyer of home mortgages in the secondary market as well as decided everything from the height of a fire extinguisher in a factory to home many ounces of toothpaste you can board a airplane with.
Certainly this was not the plan of our founding fathers.
You're not kidding. It's why James Madison said "I cannot undertake to lay my finger on that article of the Constitution, that grants Congress the right, of expending on articles of benevolence, the money of their constituents."

If only we would have listened to Mr. Madison, we wouldn't be 16 trillion in the hole today and growing. Our taxes would be minimal.
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This is not an issue of democrats or any party. No one has said they will ban anything but military style weapons. Yet people have went nuts and even buying out 30-06 and 30-30 and 9mm and 7mm and 243 and 270 rounds....No one has threatend those rounds at all. So why them out and drive prices up.
Because where there is smoke, there is fire. A dog doesn't bark at a parked car.

If you read Mrs. Feinstein's bill, she wants to ban all semi-automatic guns. I would say there is reason to be concerned.
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Because where there is smoke, there is fire. A dog doesn't bark at a parked car.
If you read Mrs. Feinstein's bill, she wants to ban all semi-automatic guns. I would say there is reason to be concerned.
I am some concerned and dont want any bans on any hand held weapon. Just dont know how someone having hundreds of thousands of rounds will change anything.

Can I ask you a simple question and get a simple answer? Here it goes.

How do you feel about our drug laws in the USA? Should there be drugs that are illegal?

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sickofit wrote:
<quoted text>This is not an issue of democrats or any party. No one has said they will ban anything but military style weapons. Yet people have went nuts and even buying out 30-06 and 30-30 and 9mm and 7mm and 243 and 270 rounds....No one has threatend those rounds at all. So why them out and drive prices up.
That should be telling you something.
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That should be telling you something.
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What does it tell me? Why would people buy up ammo rounds that no one has said would be banned or restricted?

If they banned lets say tomatoes why would you buy up peppers....Doesnt make sense. All it has done is hurt those of us who only buy what we need. Box of 30-06 have went through the roof...why??

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