Gunman opens fire in Tennessee Unitarian Universalist church, 1 killed

[Robert4Freedom]

Anti-Zionist wrote:

Pluralism preaches nothing but the celebration of empty materialism and capitalism of the fallen world.

Pluralism is what this country is based on. Freedom of choice is pluralism.

If you don't believe in freedom for people unlike yourself, then you don't deserve freedom.

Anti-Zionist wrote:

These "Universalists" only belief is in the triumph over the "hateful ways" of the particularist

So you prefer hate, and mock people who care more about diversity than one interpretation of one faith? If that's what your faith believe, you are an enemy of freedom and America.

Anti-Zionist wrote:

everything else is straight from Oprah, and Neo-America: War, wars for Israel

I don't think that we've ever fought a war directly for Israel.

Anti-Zionist wrote:

wars for corporations

Some may be fought for financial reason, i.w.- oil. Corporations have benefited.

Anti-Zionist wrote:

Jobs taken from "racists" and shipped overseas

Are you pro-racist then? I don't like jobs being shipped overseas either.

Anti-Zionist wrote:

gay adoption

What is wrong with gay adoption? Is it something to do with people actually having freedom of choice? You don't seem to believe that freedom is good, unless it's your freedom only.

Anti-Zionist wrote:

out of wedlock "gangsta" interracial sex producing holy messiahs (Obama)

I knew right-wing brainwashed politics was going to get thrown in somewhere. Don't trust politics-- left or right. It's all manipulation and lies.

Anti-Zionist wrote:

everything you get from the media, America, sans the Apple-Pie and Hamburgers because of your brats "gluteen allergies" and PETA.

Now you're picking on people with allergies!

Anti-Zionist wrote:

"Tollerance for all" = police state.

So how would freedom for all make it a police state? Doesn't tolerance support people's freedom, not steal it away.

And now it's time for the conspiracy theory....

Anti-Zionist wrote:

And now this killer, duped by the zionist Rush Limbaugh and Littlegreenfootballs (people who are in on the game) to rage stupidly against "liberals", will provide cover for the zionist government to introduce new laws, new regulations, more police state. This dude was a Manchurian Candidate. Now the liberals-neocons (one and the same) can look feigned and uppity for this unplanned euthenasia / late term abortion and cry for more nanny state, and war against "hater" states like Iran. More death.

Why can't you just say that you can't trust either political side. No, you have to rant and rave about inane conspiracy theories.

Anti-Zionist wrote:

Real "right-wing" conservative "bigots" don't listen to Rush Jewbaugh, and theoretically limit their rampages to high chain zionazis.

Keep it in the trailer park.

[Lil Ticked]

dianaren wrote:

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okaaaaaaaaay!? and what does that have to do with what?

[TNGUY]

SongBookz wrote:

Adkisson's motivation:
"I’ll tell you who should be tortured and killed at Guantanamo — every filthy Democrat in the U.S. Congress." — Sean Hannity
"To fight only the al-Qaeda scum is to miss the terrorist network operating within our own borders... Who are these traitors? Every rotten radical left-winger in this country, that's who." — Michael Savage
"Liberalism is the greatest threat this country faces." — Rush Limbaugh
"It is not a stretch to say that MoveOn is the new Klan." — Bill O’Reilly
"I'm thinking about killing Michael Moore, and I'm wondering if I could kill him myself, or if I would need to hire somebody to do it. No, I think I could." — Glenn Beck
"We need to execute people like John Walker in order to physically intimidate liberals, by making them realize that they can be killed, too." — Ann Coulter
"I don’t see any difference between [Arianna] Huffington and the Nazis." — Bill O’Reilly
"The Islamofascists are actually campaigning for the election of Democrats. Islamofascists from Ahmadinejad to al-Zawahiri, Oba -- Osama bin Laden, whoever, are constantly issuing Democrat talking points." — Rush Limbaugh
"There are things in life worth fighting and dying for and one of ‘em is making sure Nancy Pelosi doesn’t become the [House] speaker." — Sean Hannity
As long as these Republicans can get a job as anything but a dishwasher in a soup kitchen, America cannot be considered anything but barbaric.

Good post. This is exactly why I am no longer a republican. The party changed into a hate brokerage with such a narrow view, filled with hate speech. Who would have thought that I would say that I miss Nixon! At any rate, this is such a sad topic and commentary. Let's keep our thoughts on the comfort and healing of our friends at UU in Knoxville.

[Cpetr13]

This is what you might call the "Extremely Stupid" way of looking at abortion.

Regardless of how many there have been, it has never been a governmental fiat; it has always been the choice by ONE woman and ONE pregnancy at a time.

What makes it even more stupid is the reference to hitler, considering that he outlawed abortion (at least for aryan women). The PLM'ers are actually flowing in his footsteps.

Done That wrote:

<quoted text>Then you must also feel that liberals who wanted federal funding for abortions wanted to reduce the birth rate in poor minority areas. Some people think abortion is murder of the baby. The Germans saw no problem with getting rid of a few million people but we have them beat with 45 million babies killed

[Cpetr13]

Actually, I have not seen any reports that he targeted children; in fact, if they were on a stage they would have been easier to hit than shooting into the audience, which is what actually occurred. The fact is that no child was harmed, not even the ones in the audience.

Angel Warrior wrote:

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Of course, your ISP said Knoxville, TN. Let me tell you this you F------ red neck, he targeted children, and the children were playing Annie. The adults realized that he was reloading and subdued him before he went reloading. One man took the shot to save a child. The pellets hit several others, but mostly adults. The attack was aimed at children. He is a coward, and you are too. No matter how you look at it, Mr. Knoxville, it is ugly as hell, and your town is all over the news about this infamy. You can defend this lunatic red neck all you want, but this nation will never forget this Knoxville massacre. Shame on you for defending Mr. Adkisson. Shame on you!

[Cpetr13]

Gee, what a stunning refutation...

Facts?

Anndee wrote:

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You are absolutely wrong about that!

[Cpetr13]

If you are quoting someone, give your source; otherwise it is plagiarism.

Do you not understand that it is possible to have a set of precepts in one religion and still consider yourself a member of another church? Many faiths--earth-bound or not--have this paradigm. Many christian sects have tried to honor "Spiritual teachings of earth-centered traditions which celebrate the sacred circle of life and instruct us to live in harmony with the rhythms of nature." There is no conflict between living in harmony with nature and christianity.

BTW--atheism is not a "belief"; that's an oxymoron.

Anndee wrote:

There are many Wiccans, witches, Pagans, and people with other earth-based spiritualities who lead and worship in Unitarian Universalist congregations. At last count, 19 percent of our members identified with an Earth/Nature centered faith. This is one of the fastest-growing groups within FELLOWSHIP.
The sources of inspiration for the UU faith are too many to be counted, but delegates from each congregation have agreed that one of the predominant sources of our faith is, "Spiritual teachings of earth-centered traditions which celebrate the sacred circle of life and instruct us to live in harmony with the rhythms of nature."
In addition to modern Paganism, many Unitarian Universalists find spiritual inspiration in other forms of nature-based spirituality, including simple seasonal reverence, modern Transcendentalism, and other nature-honoring paths.
Beliefs Within THE FELLOWSHIP
Humanism
Paganism
Theism / Deism
Buddhism
Judaism
Hinduism
Atheism / Agnosticism
Islam
Other Beliefs

[Cpetr13]

1 You dont' get to determine who is christian and who is not. You don't get to judge how a sect must worship. These are not just control issues, but also bigotry, like those who say that christian sects that perform gay weddings aren't christians either.

2) You don't get to say what form worship needs to take. In fact, the standard churches with their own prayers are actually ignoring what christ said about prayer being a wholly private matter, not a public function. But since when have christians ever really listened to christ?

Anndee wrote:

THE POINT BEING THERE IS NOTHING CHRISTIAN ABOUT
U.U. FELLOWSHIP
If you wnat to join a social club join the country club or Jaycees.

[Cpetr13]

The quakers also refer to their church as a fellowship. Aren't they christians either?

BTW--when did your god die and leave you in charge of judging these things?

Anndee wrote:

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I'm am only telling the truth about the so called Church which it isn't.
Everyone is blaming christian's when it isn't a christian church!!!!
Hello what don't you understand?
Do not mistake the U.U. Fellowship for a Christian Church! There is nothing Christian about this group!!!
There are many Wiccans, witches, Pagans, and people with other earth-based spiritualities who lead and worship in Unitarian Universalist congregations. At last count, 19 percent of their members identified with an Earth/Nature centered faith. This is one of the fastest-growing groups within FELLOWSHIP.
The sources of inspiration for the UU faith are too many to be counted, but delegates from each congregation have agreed that one of the predominant sources of our faith is, "Spiritual teachings of earth-centered traditions which celebrate the sacred circle of life and instruct us to live in harmony with the rhythms of nature."
In addition to modern Paganism, many Unitarian Universalists find spiritual inspiration in other forms of nature-based spirituality, including simple seasonal reverence, modern Transcendentalism, and other nature-honoring paths.
Beliefs Within THE FELLOWSHIP
Humanism
Paganism
Theism / Deism
Buddhism
Judaism
Hinduism
Atheism / Agnosticism
Islam
Other Beliefs

[Cpetr13]

The only intrinsic definition of "christian" is one who believes christ was divine". Many wiccans, etc, believe that christ was a divine teacher but do not say he was the only voice worth hearing. Others believe that we are all divine in origin.

YOU are not the final arbiter of christianity and you aren't in a position to judge the entire church because of some instance involving your family.

You have an irrational hatred of a church that is no more or less perfect or valid than any other organized religion.

Anndee wrote:

Just stating a fact buddy!
I'm not sure what you know about Christianty
But most Christian's worship Jesus Christ hence Christian.

[Cpetr13]

There is no heresy here, and why would someone follow a deity as petty and immature as you describe? Or should I just presume you are projecting your OWN pettiness and immaturity onto your fictitious god?

velogeezer wrote:

Unitarians are sometimes referred to as Athiests With Children. Maybe God got tired of their heresy and used this nut case to smite them. Maybe they got on his last nerve.

[Cpetr13]

You know, not all christian sects follow the bible rigidly.

Wiccans don't worship the earth; they worship the energy called life; many have no problem with equating that energy with what the christians call "god".

You don't understand that wiccans are not as hidebound as you seem to be when it comes to spirituality; they dont' view the bible necessarily as proof of anything, since it was written by man and has been used as a weapon from the moment of its collation.

Anndee wrote:

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Oh I'm sure they can go. But the belief systems are diametrically opposed to one other.
What don't you understand?
Christians belief Jesus is Lord.
Matthew 7:14
Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it. Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves."
If you believe how can you worship with someone that is worshiping the earth?

[Ervin Eros]

People wonder why the increase in violance but really you don't have to go any further then this forum to understand why all the violance, Because it seems insanity is contagious after all!:)

But if insanity can be contagious surely healing and wellness can be also, what if we all find out when we die, there really is a God, And we were looking God in the eye our whole lives long,And God wasn't in a book or a building or anything that has no life, God was not in the chaos or the strive the bitterness or confusion the fear or the anger..but there in the moments of wonderful with in us all.
and it was our job all along to bring God out into the world to heal the world and create a new heaven and a new earth where there is hope enough for all?

[Cpetr13]

The economy was tanking long before the gas prices rose or the housing crisis began. No one has said to give up on america, but we have to make changes.
The GOP line about more drilling is a crock--there have been a huge number of drilling permits issued over the past 8 years and they have not made any difference.
The trick is not to find new oil but to reduce our personal dependence on it altogether. Gas-guzzling SUV's, hummers, etc, need ot be replaced with fuel-efficient autos (preferably hybrids), and public transportation also needs to be more effective. Less driving for pleasure and less commuting over vast distances to get to work and back. There are hundreds of adjustments to make, some large and some small. But pretending all we need to do is to drill more is asinine.
I dont' know where you live, but gas prices aren't dropping in any meaningful way in any major city. There are daily fluctuations, but the fact is that we are still paying higher prices now than we were even 3 months ago. And why are you bitching at congress; it's the oil companies making the obscene profits; gas simply doe snot have to be as expensive as it is. Maybe we need to regulate oil prices. But that can't happen until we get the oil men out of the white house, obviously.
You know, when my mother was growing up, her father was a fairly well-off man in a small but well-off town in the north. The depression didn't affect their standard of living at all, just like the current problems don't seem to be bothering you. That doesn't mean that the Depression didn't happen or that it wasn't devastating; it just means that some people happened to be less affected by it.

Scott T wrote:

Wrong Direction?
I disagree. If not for high gas prices and the housing situation where too many people signed either stupid loans or bought a house they simply couldn..t pay for, I think our economy would be singing along right now on all 8 cylinders. I refuse to give up on the United States of America. Too many good hard working people to give up on.
Half of our problem would be solved if our Congress would open up drilling and exploration in and around this country and get the US off of middle eastern oil. The other half, housing, will right itself. Fact. As bad as the housing seems on the nightly news, 95% of mortgage holders in this country are paying their mortgages on time. I personally haven..t missed a one since I bought my first house in ..93.
I am in the new home construction business in three states in the southeastern part of our country. Commercial building in my three states is humming right along. Building everyday.
If Pelosi would get off her kick about wanting to save the world and allow our country to be energy independent and even build nuclear power plants like other countries in the world, alot of our problems today would be solved. Of course, Pelosi doesn..t need anything positive happening right now or in the next six months because her party has an election to win. What is happening dialy with Americans struggling to afford to fill their gas tanks couldn..t concern Pelosi or her Dem controlled Congress at all. They couldn..t care less about people right now and through the end of the year....
That will never happen because, like I said, Pelosi and our ahhm big evil Democratic led Congress, with their approval rating of just 9%, have an election to win. John Doe struggling today and tommorrow doesn..t matter.
...

[Cpetr13]

Take your5 insane antisemitism somewhere else.

Anti-Zionist wrote:

Pluralism preaches nothing but the celebration of empty materialism and capitalism of the fallen world. These "Universalists" only belief is in the triumph over the "hateful ways" of the particularist; everything else is straight from Oprah, and Neo-America: War, wars for Israel, wars for corporations, Jobs taken from "racists" and shipped overseas, gay adoption, out of wedlock "gangsta" interracial sex producing holy messiahs (Obama), everything you get from the media, America, sans the Apple-Pie and Hamburgers because of your brats "gluteen allergies" and PETA. "Tollerance for all" = police state.
And now this killer, duped by the zionist Rush Limbaugh and Littlegreenfootballs (people who are in on the game) to rage stupidly against "liberals", will provide cover for the zionist government to introduce new laws, new regulations, more police state.
This dude was a Manchurian Candidate. Now the liberals-neocons (one and the same) can look feigned and uppity for this unplanned euthenasia / late term abortion and cry for more nanny state, and war against "hater" states like Iran. More death.
Real "right-wing" conservative "bigots" don't listen to Rush Jewbaugh, and theoretically limit their rampages to high chain zionazis.

[jeff]

Angel Warrior wrote:

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I am going to answer for him please.... How come with such a high IQ you live in Knoxville?(that is an oxymoron). A red neck with high IQ?(another oxymoron).With an IQ of 138 you can not understand that you are defending the killing of innocent children in Knoxville. I think that the psychologist that tested your IQ score actually stole money from you. Or probably the machine was out of order when it tested your IQ scores. Or pehaps, was Mr. Adkisson who repaired that machine the day before you went for the test. There is a God, my friend, and this God, believe me my friend, will send you to hell. However, before that happens, I will make sure that people like you "child killers advocates" will live a life full of hell on earth.

I'm from Chicago(The people in Knoxville are pretty stupid, so we can agree on that)...So there goes your whole post...I am not going to get into a debate about whether there is a God or not...It is pointless...You cannot prove a negative, and I can not prove He is real.....I might point out that there are a lot of good Christians out there tho'

[Ervin Eros]

Can you imagine if we found out we were all God,
HOLY COW GOD HAS BEEN SHOT AND SHOT AT! BY GODS OWN SELF!!! This is tragic something must be wrong! What can we do to fix it?
A humanbeing is not a label and neaither is God.

[jeff]

Cpetr13 wrote:

Let's not get into an IQ war, because you will lose. The reality is that things are NOT perfect. We have deserts encroaching on arable land more and more, we have miscarriages, stilllborns, and the births of the deformed and the doomed, we have floods and earthquakes, etc. That is not "perfect" by any means. We have favorable and unfavorable mutations (which would not occur if everything were perfect) and we have new disease organisms springing up now and again.
You also make the intellectual error of pretending that you must have a scientific answer to a question or it indicates the existence of a deity, when logic dictates that we just don't have the answer yet. Man has only been on this planet for a fraction of its existence and an even smaller fraction of the life of the universe; it's gonna take time to get answers. And some questions may never have a satisfactory answer, but that still doesn't imply a deity.
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We also have a Sun that comes up every day and gives us a near perfect climate, water(as I said), things to eat...Blah,Blah,Blah.....The fact is, your little mind cannot conceive of God...Whether or not The Bible is correct is beside the point...The Universe was created by SOMETHING...Stop being so negative

[jeff]

NoamChimpsky wrote:

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LOL.....I'll bet you took one of those internet IQ tests, didn't you? Besides, if you were truly intelligent, you wouldn't need to run around broadcasting your IQ score, you'd prove it through your posts. By the way, you only talk about things that work perfectly, but what about the stuff that doesn't work too well? If "god" created everything so perfectly, why is the world so screwed up?

Let us see here..Noam didn't like me pointing out some positive things so he decided to start with the insults...Hmmm, I think it is painfully obvious that you are a low grade moron who fancies himself as an intellectual...Which of course goes to the root of why so many atheists do not believe in God...They are too narrow minded to conceive of such things...Which is funny considering their view of Christians being the narrow minded ones

[Cpetr13]

"The Universe was created by SOMETHING"

Critical thinking at its best--and you have the temerity to say I have a "small mind". This is in fact how every culture has created its gods, by presuming that it's too complex for random chance.

BTW--Earth as near-perfect climates, and also has some unlivable ones. And this is just one planet in billions, most of which are NOT "perfect".

It is a sad reflection on you that you consider inquisitive thought as "negative".

jeff wrote:

<quoted text>
We also have a Sun that comes up every day and gives us a near perfect climate, water(as I said), things to eat...Blah,Blah,Blah.....The fact is, your little mind cannot conceive of God...Whether or not The Bible is correct is beside the point...The Universe was created by SOMETHING...Stop being so negative