Gunman opens fire in Tennessee Unita...

Gunman opens fire in Tennessee Unitarian Universalist church, 1 killed

There are 1282 comments on the ap.google.com story from Jul 27, 2008, titled Gunman opens fire in Tennessee Unitarian Universalist church, 1 killed. In it, ap.google.com reports that:

A gunman opened fire at a church youth performance Sunday, injuring eight people and killing a man who witnesses called a hero for shielding others from a shotgun blast.

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Whaaaat

El Paso, TX

#953 Jul 30, 2008
Westhaus wrote:
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I don't condone the murder: I simply said earlier that it's inevitable that people like you will be hunted so long as you espouse and endorse laws which promote sin and degredation.
You crazily make war on the world through abortion and calls for homosexual marriage, and in turn, equally crazy folks will make war on you.
It's pretty simple, actually. An eye-for-an-eye, I think someone called it.
Wow! You are one wacked out right wing nut. Only people who have extremist opinions such as yours would consider disagreement as making "war on the world." When did your ideas become representative of the world? Let me guess, since you were indoctrinated by the ideas of sin and degredation which are the only correct way to live?
Angel Warrior

United States

#954 Jul 30, 2008
Westhaus wrote:
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I don't condone the murder: I simply said earlier that it's inevitable that people like you will be hunted so long as you espouse and endorse laws which promote sin and degredation.
You crazily make war on the world through abortion and calls for homosexual marriage, and in turn, equally crazy folks will make war on you.
It's pretty simple, actually. An eye-for-an-eye, I think someone called it.
Westhaus: You are changing the subject. This forum is about the man who entered a congregation full of children with a loaded shot gun and kill several people. This forum was never about momosexual marriage or abortion rights. ou are a crazy bigot. You do not even know how to be a bigot. You are an incompetent bigot! If you are going to be something, at least do it right. You are even lost on the subject matter of discussion. Read well your answers. You are condonning the actions of Mr. Adkisson. You are a despicable creature of hate and hypocrite.
YuckYuckYuck

Brooklyn, NY

#955 Jul 30, 2008
Is it true conservatives are only against white abortions because they want lots of white babies to populate America? And they are not too interested in dark skinned abortions?
Done That

Plano, TX

#956 Jul 30, 2008
Whine Whine wrote:
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See, I was right. They have to spin it this way, because in a situation like this, they're one-trick ponies. It's hard to launch a swift-boat personal attack saying that churchgoers deserve to be shot, so the only argument they have left is: If innocent people get shot, it's because the victim didn't fire first. It's an argument that a child could poke obvious holes in ... how am I supposed to know if that creepy looking guy in the back has a gun and is about to shoot me from behind, use my spider sense or something?
Just admit it, guns don't solve crime problems.
LOL Then you should not get a gun. Every state that has concealed carry has seen their crime rate go down. You will only see nuts shooting lots of people where they know no one is armed. You won't see a mass shooting at a gun show because nearly all are armed. If you don't like guns have the courage of your conviction and put a sign in your yard that says owner in not armed :)

NoamChimpsky

“Religion is for stupid people”

Since: May 08

Anytown, USA

#957 Jul 30, 2008
Westhaus wrote:
<quoted text>
I don't condone the murder: I simply said earlier that it's inevitable that people like you will be hunted so long as you espouse and endorse laws which promote sin and degredation.
You crazily make war on the world through abortion and calls for homosexual marriage, and in turn, equally crazy folks will make war on you.
It's pretty simple, actually. An eye-for-an-eye, I think someone called it.
You are definitely one sick freak, since it sounds like you do, in fact, condone this murder. The people shot at did absolutely nothing wrong to deserve to be shot at. Believing in gay marriage and abortion rights is not a reason to die. In fact, gays getting married and people having abortions don't affect the right-wing nuts who protest AT ALL. It only affects the people involved. You freaks act like it is an attack on you.

You actually sounded a lot like a terrorist in that post. You're basically saying "believe how we believe, or we'll start killing you". You sound more like Bin Laden than an American.

“My Bad! Just hold me. ”

Since: Aug 07

Orion's Belt

#958 Jul 30, 2008
Angel Warrior wrote:
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But you condone someone walking inside a congregation to target children with a loaded shotgun?
Excuse me, he did not walk in and target the children. He shot one row of people. There was a child in that row, but the child was not hurt.

The children were on the stage. He did not aim, nor shoot at the stage.

Had it been his intent, this thread would be about dead children.

Without facts, this is a mute argument.
Angel Warrior

United States

#959 Jul 30, 2008
YuckYuckYuck wrote:
Is it true conservatives are only against white abortions because they want lots of white babies to populate America? And they are not too interested in dark skinned abortions?
You have a good point after all here. In September of 1977, The National Council of Church Intereligious Foundation (IFCO) held a conference in Washington, DC to plan strategies for a "fight for survival" against sterilization abuse. Studies revealed, that that 25-50% of Native Americans women ages 15 to 44 between 1970 and 1976 were sterilized without permission by the USPHS. The data indicated that this rate of sterilization will reduce birth among this group of Americans by more than half during a period of five years. A systematic sterilization of minorities existed until 1980, until it was erradicated by the lack of funding. Ethnic cleansing? Judging the logic of this study, you can conclude that efforts to reduce birth among certain groups existed as a policy of the USPHS. Other racial groups (low income whites for example) were never targeted for a program like this. Feel to judge by yourself and make your own conclusions.
Done That

Plano, TX

#960 Jul 30, 2008
Angel Warrior wrote:
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You have a good point after all here. In September of 1977, The National Council of Church Intereligious Foundation (IFCO) held a conference in Washington, DC to plan strategies for a "fight for survival" against sterilization abuse. Studies revealed, that that 25-50% of Native Americans women ages 15 to 44 between 1970 and 1976 were sterilized without permission by the USPHS. The data indicated that this rate of sterilization will reduce birth among this group of Americans by more than half during a period of five years. A systematic sterilization of minorities existed until 1980, until it was erradicated by the lack of funding. Ethnic cleansing? Judging the logic of this study, you can conclude that efforts to reduce birth among certain groups existed as a policy of the USPHS. Other racial groups (low income whites for example) were never targeted for a program like this. Feel to judge by yourself and make your own conclusions.
Then you must also feel that liberals who wanted federal funding for abortions wanted to reduce the birth rate in poor minority areas. Some people think abortion is murder of the baby. The Germans saw no problem with getting rid of a few million people but we have them beat with 45 million babies killed
Northie

Spokane, WA

#961 Jul 30, 2008
Westhaus wrote:
<quoted text>
I don't condone the murder: I simply said earlier that it's inevitable that people like you will be hunted so long as you espouse and endorse laws which promote sin and degredation.
You crazily make war on the world through abortion and calls for homosexual marriage, and in turn, equally crazy folks will make war on you.
It's pretty simple, actually. An eye-for-an-eye, I think someone called it.
Yikes! My first reaction was to think you a fanatic. But then I realized that you're just trying to be helpful, which is just as frightening.

There is NO excuse for these murders. In fact, reading all these posts from religious nuts rationalizing the murders as understandable reactions to liberals is just maybe the most sickening, depressing thing I've seen in decades. And I've seen some bad ones.
Angel Warrior

United States

#962 Jul 30, 2008
DC tells it like it is wrote:
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Excuse me, he did not walk in and target the children. He shot one row of people. There was a child in that row, but the child was not hurt.
The children were on the stage. He did not aim, nor shoot at the stage.
Had it been his intent, this thread would be about dead children.
Without facts, this is a mute argument.
Of course, your ISP said Knoxville, TN. Let me tell you this you F------ red neck, he targeted children, and the children were playing Annie. The adults realized that he was reloading and subdued him before he went reloading. One man took the shot to save a child. The pellets hit several others, but mostly adults. The attack was aimed at children. He is a coward, and you are too. No matter how you look at it, Mr. Knoxville, it is ugly as hell, and your town is all over the news about this infamy. You can defend this lunatic red neck all you want, but this nation will never forget this Knoxville massacre. Shame on you for defending Mr. Adkisson. Shame on you!
Done That

Plano, TX

#963 Jul 30, 2008
Angel Warrior wrote:
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His wife divorced him in the year 2000 and placed a restraining order against him (he threatened to kill her). He was always a "conservative extremist" and his wife used to be somewhat "liberal" (he never attended this congregation, but his wife did). Once he got his criminal background, he was not able to work. During 8 years of unemployment made possible by his own "conservative government" in the White House, Mr. HERO decided that it was time to assault the UU congregation with a loaded shotgun and kill children, and blame "liberals" for his own frustrated life. This proves how full of S--- the conservatism movement is. However, he was coward enough not to kill himself (suicide is an act of courage) but wanted to be killed by the police instead.
Your lack of logic is amazing. The article did not state his politics if he had any at all. You say a conservative government had kept him from working for the last 8 years. You seem to be unaware of one of the lowest unemployment rates and an economic boom that began to slide with a democrat congress that only has a 9% approval rate. Being a liberal I understand that you would blame his actions on forces around him that he did not control. He did have a job not because of government but because of his own actions. The government is not going to solve all your many problems. Take responsibility for your own fate.
Done That

Plano, TX

#964 Jul 30, 2008
Whine Whine wrote:
<quoted text>
See, I was right. They have to spin it this way, because in a situation like this, they're one-trick ponies. It's hard to launch a swift-boat personal attack saying that churchgoers deserve to be shot, so the only argument they have left is: If innocent people get shot, it's because the victim didn't fire first. It's an argument that a child could poke obvious holes in ... how am I supposed to know if that creepy looking guy in the back has a gun and is about to shoot me from behind, use my spider sense or something?
Just admit it, guns don't solve crime problems.
If guns don't solve crime problems why do police carry them?
Angel Warrior

United States

#965 Jul 30, 2008
Done That wrote:
<quoted text>Your lack of logic is amazing. The article did not state his politics if he had any at all. You say a conservative government had kept him from working for the last 8 years. You seem to be unaware of one of the lowest unemployment rates and an economic boom that began to slide with a democrat congress that only has a 9% approval rate. Being a liberal I understand that you would blame his actions on forces around him that he did not control. He did have a job not because of government but because of his own actions. The government is not going to solve all your many problems. Take responsibility for your own fate.
I assume that your logic is the one that counts here. He had a misdemeanor arrest due to a family marital altercation. It was not until the Republicans took power that people with this type of background were targeted to not finding jobs. Before that, felonies were the only targeted offenses in the job market. Was actually the Republican administration who pissed off lunatics like this Mr. Adkisson, who was already a neo-felon with violent tendencies to snap. I also assume that you will not accept that the destruction of our economy, and our economic depression is the fault of your great Republican administration. You are crazy!
Anndee

Coeur D Alene, ID

#966 Jul 30, 2008
Augustus Atkins wrote:
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SO....I dont care if they believed that Christ was Satan. Dude still dont have the right to MURDER THEM
I agree.
What I was posting about was the post saying this was a George Bush related crime.
Christian conservative republican.
The last news story I saw said the shooter was a long time fellowship memeber, which doesn't make him Christian.
Anndee

Coeur D Alene, ID

#967 Jul 30, 2008
Angel Warrior wrote:
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I assume that your logic is the one that counts here. He had a misdemeanor arrest due to a family marital altercation. It was not until the Republicans took power that people with this type of background were targeted to not finding jobs. Before that, felonies were the only targeted offenses in the job market. Was actually the Republican administration who pissed off lunatics like this Mr. Adkisson, who was already a neo-felon with violent tendencies to snap. I also assume that you will not accept that the destruction of our economy, and our economic depression is the fault of your great Republican administration. You are crazy!
GARBAGE!
ggd276

AOL

#968 Jul 30, 2008
and if you dont have a swoard sell your cloak and buy one..Jesus Christ...(Luke 22:36)
Northie

Spokane, WA

#969 Jul 30, 2008
God, this discussion is sick! "He only shot adults"! "He only shot Unitarians"! "He only shot liberals"! "It was understandable retaliation for abortions"! "After all, Unitarians aren't really Christians"!

I can't stand it. I'm outta here.

NoamChimpsky

“Religion is for stupid people”

Since: May 08

Anytown, USA

#970 Jul 30, 2008
Done That wrote:
<quoted text>Your lack of logic is amazing. The article did not state his politics if he had any at all. You say a conservative government had kept him from working for the last 8 years. You seem to be unaware of one of the lowest unemployment rates and an economic boom that began to slide with a democrat congress that only has a 9% approval rate. Being a liberal I understand that you would blame his actions on forces around him that he did not control. He did have a job not because of government but because of his own actions. The government is not going to solve all your many problems. Take responsibility for your own fate.
Your lack of knowledge is what's truly amazing. Numerous reports have stated that he was an extremist christian whose stated reason for shooting these people is because he "hates liberals". And he has also espoused numerous conservative positions. Deny it all you want, but he's one of yours.
Anndee

Coeur D Alene, ID

#971 Jul 30, 2008
Cpetr13 wrote:
The UU has no satanic or wiccan faith path. You are looking at it backwards. Those who practice wiccan may well be comfortable in the environment as UU church provides.
I have never met a satanist who attended any church other than their own group; however, it must be noted that satanism is an offshoot of christianity, unlike wicca.
<quoted text>
You are absolutely wrong about that!
Anndee

Coeur D Alene, ID

#972 Jul 30, 2008
There are many Wiccans, witches, Pagans, and people with other earth-based spiritualities who lead and worship in Unitarian Universalist congregations. At last count, 19 percent of our members identified with an Earth/Nature centered faith. This is one of the fastest-growing groups within FELLOWSHIP.

The sources of inspiration for the UU faith are too many to be counted, but delegates from each congregation have agreed that one of the predominant sources of our faith is, "Spiritual teachings of earth-centered traditions which celebrate the sacred circle of life and instruct us to live in harmony with the rhythms of nature."

In addition to modern Paganism, many Unitarian Universalists find spiritual inspiration in other forms of nature-based spirituality, including simple seasonal reverence, modern Transcendentalism, and other nature-honoring paths.

Beliefs Within THE FELLOWSHIP

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Paganism
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Buddhism
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Islam
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