Gunman opens fire in Tennessee Unitarian Universalist church, 1 killed

Jul 27, 2008 | Posted by: Hesed | Full story: ap.google.com

A gunman opened fire at a church youth performance Sunday, injuring eight people and killing a man who witnesses called a hero for shielding others from a shotgun blast.

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Jul 29, 2008
 

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Jim Trebowski wrote:
<quoted text> You advocate killing Americans, and it's the Liberals that are the bad guys? Wow. How do you justify that?
The same way this gunman justified going into a "church" and opening fire on a bunch of "Liberals." Hate is its own justification.
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Jul 29, 2008
 
learn wrote:
<quoted text>The unitarian problem is they are filled with contradiction, a lot like little children.
I think it is a catch-all place for people who have issues with traditional religions, but they want the fellowship of others or they want some sort of spiritual element in their life.

I think little children sometimes have a simpler and more sensible approach, but UUs can do what they want because I want the freedom to believe in my own way.

I've had two friends who went Unitarian. One was the daughter of a liberal Baptist who didn't believe in Hell and another was a Charismatic Christian who made his wife have an abortion because she was pregnant with a trisomic child.

Evangelical Churches and Catholics could probably welcome some of these people too (the Baptist girl married a Catholic), but probably don't and instead they drift into UU churches.
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Jul 29, 2008
 
Balanced-I_hope wrote:
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I think it is a catch-all place for people who have issues with traditional religions, but they want the fellowship of others or they want some sort of spiritual element in their life.
I think little children sometimes have a simpler and more sensible approach, but UUs can do what they want because I want the freedom to believe in my own way.
I've had two friends who went Unitarian. One was the daughter of a liberal Baptist who didn't believe in Hell and another was a Charismatic Christian who made his wife have an abortion because she was pregnant with a trisomic child.
Evangelical Churches and Catholics could probably welcome some of these people too (the Baptist girl married a Catholic), but probably don't and instead they drift into UU churches.
Very well said.
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Jul 29, 2008
 
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Fantastic post. I agree, that scripture will be an awesome thing once it is fulfilled. We as Christians should not argue with atheists. It is a foolish thing to do. Proverbs 23:9 states that "Do not speak to a fool, for he will scorn the wisdom of your words". So leave it all to God to put them in their place. The more they scorn, the more the irony and gut wrenching shock they will experience when they see God. As much as I sometimes would like to see their faces at that moment, I honestly know that it would probably be best I didn't as the horror on their faces would be more than our /my mind could comprehend. If just seeing the horror on their faces is bad enough about their fate, just imagine when they find out they are about to be thrown into Hell forever and how they will recollect how they mocked people like me, you and other Christians. If that's not bad enough, can you just imagine how bad hell will be for them?
We live in a lost world. Just read all the non-believing posts on this forum. It's no wonder the world is in such a horrible state and condition.
I wouldn't want to see their faces. I'm not sure that I even want to see Heath Ledger in Batman. Those preview pictures of him are creepy. I'm not commenting on his destination. I want to be clear about that.

Many people who are not atheists are also not Christians, not in the "Christ is the only way" vein anyway. What do you think, and I'm only basing this on your words here, about dialoguing with people who are not atheists, but not Christians?
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Jul 29, 2008
 
stop the madness wrote:
<quoted text>Very well said.
Oh, thank-you.

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Jul 29, 2008
 
jfc thats pretty cool .
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Jul 29, 2008
 
another compassionate conservative

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Jul 29, 2008
 
Semper Fi wrote:
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Tradition mostly. Here's an excerpt from the Wiki page on Unitarian Universalism to help you get a feel for how long that tradition goes back in this country:
Notable congregations
Certain Unitarian, Universalist, or Unitarian Universalist congregations (churches, societies, fellowships, etc.) have particular historic or other significance.
Arlington Street Church in Boston was the congregation of William Ellery Channing and Dana McLean Greeley (1729). The congregation played a large role in the origin and foundation of the faith and has been a leader in social justice causes. It is considered by many to be the 'Mother Church' of the faith.
King's Chapel in Boston is one of the oldest New England churches of any denomination (1688), and is on the Freedom Trail. It is one of the oldest surviving congregations in the United States.
All Souls Church, Unitarian, in Washington, DC, was founded in 1821 by (among others) John Quincy Adams.
Church of the Larger Fellowship is a worldwide congregation.
First Parish Church, Unitarian Universalist in Duxbury, Massachusetts, was founded in 1632 by Pilgrims. The Elder William Brewster (Pilgrim) was the church's first religious leader, and the church included John Alden and Myles Standish as members. It was the second religious body of the Plymouth Colony.
First Unitarian Church of Rochester was the Unitarian congregation of Susan B. Anthony; the building was designed by Louis Kahn.
First Unitarian Society in Madison, Wisconsin is the largest UU congregation; its building was designed by Frank Lloyd Wright.
Follen Church Society of Lexington, Massachusetts, was, from 1836 to 1838, the last pulpit of Ralph Waldo Emerson. Its unique octagonal sanctuary was designed by first minister Charles Follen, a noted abolitionist.
Unitarian Church of All Souls Founded in 1819 following an inspiring sermon by William Ellery Channing during a visit to New York City, All Souls' is one of the largest and most influential churches in the denomination. Herman Melville and Peter Cooper were members of All Souls, and minister Henry Whitney Bellows led the congregation for 43 years. Forrester Church, author and theologian, served as senior Minister for almost 30 years and is currently Minister of Public Theology.
Unitarian Universalist Church in Charleston S.C., established in 1772, is "the oldest Unitarian church in the South".
United First Parish Church, Quincy, Massachusetts, is the burial place of U.S. Presidents John Adams and John Quincy Adams and their wives.
Unity Temple Oak Park, Illinois, had its building designed by Frank Lloyd Wright.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unitarian_Univer...
And you should also know that there is such a thing as Christian Universalism - a set of theological beliefs about God, Christ, and the origin and destiny of the human soul, emphasizing the unconditional parental love of God and God's plan to redeem, restore, and transform all people through Christ.
A minority of Christians from a diversity of denominations including some Unitarian Universalists hold this belief system. And there is also an organization called The Christian Universalist Association which esposes this belief:
http://www.christianuniversalist.org/
This is cool. Thanks :)
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That is all very interesting. I didn't realize how liberal that "church" is. If what you say is the truth, then this church is a cult. It is not a biblically based and founded organization and it was postured for something like this crime to occur. I am not at all supporting this type of crime as human life is human life and we should preserve it at all cost. However I do support capital punishment in a situation like this. This is a prime time to utilize capital punishment. Enough is enough. Again, as I've stated before, even the one's who are put to death due to these horrible crimes are the victims of atheistic, God-hating groups and their push to eliminate the laws and commands set forth by the Creator.
I think a wise government under the respect and honor of the God that blesses this country, has the responsibility to execute anyone who takes the life of another person regardless of their creed, race, religion (or lack of).
Those quotes are all from the UUA's own web site so I guess they should be considered "true".

The Compact Oxford English Dictionary of Current English defines "cult" inter alia as "a small religious group regarded as ... imposing excessive control over members". I at least don't think the Unitarian Universalist Church fits that definition of "cult".

To give an apropos example, I myself am a supporter of the death penalty even though the UAA has been on record since 1961 as opposing capital punishment. And I'm allowed to dissent.

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Jul 29, 2008
 
MEAN EUGENE wrote:
Another one for the NRA hall of shame. Guns for everyone. He shot them because he thought they were too liberal. Jesus was a liberal and satan is a conserative.
I agree. BTW, go into Henniker much?

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roadrunner48808 wrote:
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So, let me throw this out here. A church cannot be considered a church, and is instead a "cult" because it's not bibically based as you believe it should be? Kind of an ignorant statement, don't you think?
I was thinking that it was more of an arrogant statement , but ignorant works too.
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Jul 30, 2008
 
I hope it turns out that the shooter has a brain tumor, syphilis, or rabies. Then, there is reason, at least, for such aberrant behaviour.
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That is all very interesting. I didn't realize how liberal that "church" is. If what you say is the truth, then this church is a cult. It is not a biblically based and founded organization and it was postured for something like this crime to occur. I am not at all supporting this type of crime as human life is human life and we should preserve it at all cost. However I do support capital punishment in a situation like this. This is a prime time to utilize capital punishment. Enough is enough. Again, as I've stated before, even the one's who are put to death due to these horrible crimes are the victims of atheistic, God-hating groups and their push to eliminate the laws and commands set forth by the Creator.
I think a wise government under the respect and honor of the God that blesses this country, has the responsibility to execute anyone who takes the life of another person regardless of their creed, race, religion (or lack of).
Time to take action to stop all of the horrific crimes of today. We are headed straight for a communist dictatorship, and a life of "big brother" with no privacy at all, if this atheistic mindset isn't stopped.
"blank check" I think your full of sh*t.
When ever a so called "christian" church calls another Christian church a "cult" I'am reminded of
those who seek the splinter in anothers eye but fails to find the log in his own.
Your rush to want to execute this Neo-Con, hate-filled, religious fanatic makes me wonder why.
Could it be that he'll "spill the beens" on born-again bible-thumpers who are looking for a political kingdom on earth.

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Kerdy 1 wrote:
"Gunman opens fire in Tennessee Unitarian Universalist church, 1 killed"
2 have died now. What is wrong with people? There is a terrible wound in the fabric of this country that needs to be healed so this sort of horrible, despicable thing stops happening. Why are there so many sickos in the world?
Polarizations and fragmentation is a main culprit is sociol evil today. From the classroom to the boardrooms and all in between. For instance, the thought form this sick person was working with. Liberal Church. Liberal agenda. Which indicates he thought himself a Conservative? More polarizations go by "left wing' and "right wing". I dont have any wings and I am convinced people who use such generalizations have no clue as to thier origen. Was there a giant bird who had two wings on either side of it that were so polar opposite the bird never flew? Lets look at the word 'Conservative' to try to grasp the mindset of this extreme example and tragedy.

When did 'conservative' come into being as a postion of political/sociol opinion? One scholar puts consevatism this way;
To put conservatism in a bottle with a label is like trying to liquefy the atmosphere The difficulty arises from the nature of the thing. For conservatism is less a political doctrine than a habit of mind, a mode of feeling, a way of living."(R.J.White)
It stems philosophically from the Age of Reason, which lead directly to the French Revolution, and can be seen rising up around 1800 to 1840 in America.
Liberal, however is the foundation of Acedemia itself going back hundreds of years. An education was not an education that did not contain the 'Seven Liberal Arts'. Living is an 'art'. Being a man or woman is an 'art'. One has to look at the 'reasonable' acceptance of the Behaviorists in the early 1950's to find rise to life and its arts being eroded by science in sociol psychology. Polluted might be a better word. And Conservatism today is shallow and vacant without the 'arts' of liberal thought. For , they think it more wise to continue the prejudice, with the "reason" involved, than to cast away the coat of prejudice. That being Liberalism.

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bobby wrote:
I hope it turns out that the shooter has a brain tumor, syphilis, or rabies. Then, there is reason, at least, for such aberrant behaviour.
Bobby, haven't you been listening to local news. States all that was wrong with this man.

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Jul 30, 2008
 
For those of you that wish more information. This is the local news site:
http://www.wbir.com/default.aspx

As well as this:
http://www.wate.com/

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To read how this tragedy jump starts 'prejudicial' opinion about the Unitarian Church is another example of polarizations at oppurtune time. Even though a tragedy has occured, it will not be so solemn to grieve the loss of life without disparaging upon the beliefs of those who perished.

Jesus was a Liberal. Anyone who can read the Sermon on the Mount and come away thinking it written by a conservative would be mistaken.

And where exactly does Left Wing and Right Wing derive thier origen? How many crosses are on Golgatha? Is not one on the Left and the Right? What does Golgatha mean translated from Hebrew? Mound of the Skull. Do we not have a left and right hemisphere in our brains in that skull?

I cant imagine anyone thinking with half of thier brain, either left or right side (L). Nor that Bird with two very different wings ever gaining flight while suffering thier polarizations.
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Tooth4U wrote:
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Polarizations and fragmentation is a main culprit is sociol evil today. From the classroom to the boardrooms and all in between. For instance, the thought form this sick person was working with. Liberal Church. Liberal agenda. Which indicates he thought himself a Conservative? More polarizations go by "left wing' and "right wing". I dont have any wings and I am convinced people who use such generalizations have no clue as to thier origen. Was there a giant bird who had two wings on either side of it that were so polar opposite the bird never flew? Lets look at the word 'Conservative' to try to grasp the mindset of this extreme example and tragedy.
When did 'conservative' come into being as a postion of political/sociol opinion? One scholar puts consevatism this way;
To put conservatism in a bottle with a label is like trying to liquefy the atmosphere The difficulty arises from the nature of the thing. For conservatism is less a political doctrine than a habit of mind, a mode of feeling, a way of living."(R.J.White)
It stems philosophically from the Age of Reason, which lead directly to the French Revolution, and can be seen rising up around 1800 to 1840 in America.
Liberal, however is the foundation of Acedemia itself going back hundreds of years. An education was not an education that did not contain the 'Seven Liberal Arts'. Living is an 'art'. Being a man or woman is an 'art'. One has to look at the 'reasonable' acceptance of the Behaviorists in the early 1950's to find rise to life and its arts being eroded by science in sociol psychology. Polluted might be a better word. And Conservatism today is shallow and vacant without the 'arts' of liberal thought. For , they think it more wise to continue the prejudice, with the "reason" involved, than to cast away the coat of prejudice. That being Liberalism.
The terms Left Wing and Right Wing derived from where one sat in Congress. Upon entering, the Democrats sit on the left and the Republicans sit on the right. Those who were "Centrists" sat near the aisle. The more "Right" or "Left" your "leaning" was, the further you sat from the "enemy" - thus - "far right" and "far left".

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Helen Waite wrote:
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The terms Left Wing and Right Wing derived from where one sat in Congress. Upon entering, the Democrats sit on the left and the Republicans sit on the right. Those who were "Centrists" sat near the aisle. The more "Right" or "Left" your "leaning" was, the further you sat from the "enemy" - thus - "far right" and "far left".
And that custom has its root in France around the mid 1400s. And the French has thiers in the actual source I cited as being Golgatha.

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I think my previous post is unclear the way it concluded.

. And Conservatism today is shallow and vacant without the 'arts' of liberal thought. For , they think it more wise to continue the prejudice, with the "reason" involved, than to cast away the coat of prejudice. That being
"antagonism towards" Liberalism.

(Helen, what a way to govern eh? Goverment figures sitting close or far away from not thier countryman, rather 'enemies'. Oh great.)

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