Gunman opens fire in Tennessee Unitarian Universalist church, 1 killed

Jul 27, 2008 | Posted by: Hesed | Full story: ap.google.com

A gunman opened fire at a church youth performance Sunday, injuring eight people and killing a man who witnesses called a hero for shielding others from a shotgun blast.

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Jul 29, 2008
 
Semper Fi wrote:
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Atheism/Agnosticism
Atheists (people who do not believe in a god) and Agnostics (people who think that we cannot know whether a god exists) are more than welcome within Unitarian Universalism. Unitarian Universalism is unusual in its belief that a person can be very religious, spiritual, moral, etc. without believing in a god. There is no requirement to believe in a god of any sort within our faith. At last count, 19% of Unitarian Universalists said that they did not believe in any type of god.
Some Unitarian Universalist congregations are more Deistic (god-centered) than others. While some congregations regularly refer to God in worship and prayer, others have a much more varied approach to addressing the religious spirit. Even in those congregations where they often use the word "God," it's ok if you don't believe in a god.
Explore our website, visit a congregation near you and discover Unitarian Universalism. The Unitarian Universalist Association is pleased to offer Unitarian Universalist Perspectives: thoughts from notable Unitarian Universalists on issues at the intersection of religion and society. Welcome to Unitarian Universalism!
http://www.uua.org/visitors/beliefswithin/619...
That is all very interesting. I didn't realize how liberal that "church" is. If what you say is the truth, then this church is a cult. It is not a biblically based and founded organization and it was postured for something like this crime to occur. I am not at all supporting this type of crime as human life is human life and we should preserve it at all cost. However I do support capital punishment in a situation like this. This is a prime time to utilize capital punishment. Enough is enough. Again, as I've stated before, even the one's who are put to death due to these horrible crimes are the victims of atheistic, God-hating groups and their push to eliminate the laws and commands set forth by the Creator.

I think a wise government under the respect and honor of the God that blesses this country, has the responsibility to execute anyone who takes the life of another person regardless of their creed, race, religion (or lack of).
Time to take action to stop all of the horrific crimes of today. We are headed straight for a communist dictatorship, and a life of "big brother" with no privacy at all, if this atheistic mindset isn't stopped.

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#641
Jul 29, 2008
 
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A bit off topic, perhaps, but to clarify. The word "church" is used in the Bible to translate "ekklesia" and (in the Book of Hebrews) "synagogue." "Ekklesia" is, roughly, an assembly and is used to describe gatherings of Believers and the mob that tried to kill Paul over a decline in Diana statues.
When the King James was translated, the Puritans wanted "ekklesia" to be translated as "assembly" but, as the head of the Anglican Church, James vetoed the more accurate translation.
Except in the Book of Hebrews, it's never used to describe a building, in Paul's writings, "the church that meets in the house of ___" is used several times. Any gathering of people for any purpose is a church (technically).
As to "cult" in it's more accurate usage, it refers to any system of belief - all religions are cults - "cult" or "cultus" originally meant, simply, "worship." It is only in more common vernacular that "cult" has come to be used of religions considered spurious and basically just means, a religion not my own.
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#642
Jul 29, 2008
 
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Very decent people. You will never see a crazed Unitarian blasting anyone with shotguns.
It may have just happened according to some reports.

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#643
Jul 29, 2008
 
~sighs~

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Jul 29, 2008
 
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Absolutely. But America is too liberal (stupid) to grasp that simple solution.
You sound like the stupid one. The death penalty has never been a deterrent to commit crimes. The murder rate in states with the death penalty is no more lower than ones with no death penalty. You are a tool if you think the death penalty will keep people from committing murder.

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Jul 29, 2008
 
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That is all very interesting. I didn't realize how liberal that "church" is. If what you say is the truth, then this church is a cult. It is not a biblically based and founded organization and it was postured for something like this crime to occur. I am not at all supporting this type of crime as human life is human life and we should preserve it at all cost. However I do support capital punishment in a situation like this. This is a prime time to utilize capital punishment. Enough is enough. Again, as I've stated before, even the one's who are put to death due to these horrible crimes are the victims of atheistic, God-hating groups and their push to eliminate the laws and commands set forth by the Creator.
I think a wise government under the respect and honor of the God that blesses this country, has the responsibility to execute anyone who takes the life of another person regardless of their creed, race, religion (or lack of).
Time to take action to stop all of the horrific crimes of today. We are headed straight for a communist dictatorship, and a life of "big brother" with no privacy at all, if this atheistic mindset isn't stopped.
So, let me throw this out here. A church cannot be considered a church, and is instead a "cult" because it's not bibically based as you believe it should be? Kind of an ignorant statement, don't you think?
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#646
Jul 29, 2008
 
It's always revealing when a member like semper fi divulges unitarian beliefs. one mixed up bunch of people and you con join if you just love all members.
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#647
Jul 29, 2008
 
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Adkisson sampled too much the Kool-Aid mixed by Rush, Hannity, O'Reilly, and the cast of "Fox & Friends."
Are you kidding? He drank it through a beer pong, smoked it, snorted it, injected it, and probably put some it in a glade plug-in.

It's just plain sad at how the fear-mongering "liberal" media has brought out the worst in us as U.S. Americans

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It's always revealing when a member like semper fi divulges unitarian beliefs. one mixed up bunch of people and you con join if you just love all members.
It's always revealing when you open your mouth and nothing but pure ignorance pours forth.....
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Jul 29, 2008
 
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It's always revealing when you open your mouth and nothing but pure ignorance pours forth.....
Can you state anything besides personal attacks.

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#650
Jul 29, 2008
 
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What? Is there where I am supposed to defend myself? You're not worth the time. Jim.
So you come on this site just to post insults, then run away when someone calls you on it? I think you've got plenty of time. Sounds to me like your just kiiling time with your left hand while your right one's busy.
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#651
Jul 29, 2008
 
Who was it who said "every person should have a voice".
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#652
Jul 29, 2008
 
SUGAR SUGAR wrote:
<quoted text>OH FORGOT, THIS GUY WAS MENTALLY ILL, GOD HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH IT, MAYBE THE CHURCH DID.LOL
I think he was frustrated and depressed-that's it.
Perhaps he should have been treated for clinical depression. I don't understand your comment. I've been in a church (never joined any, though) and I'm not mentally ill. Maybe logic isn't important to you.

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Fantastic post. I agree, that scripture will be an awesome thing once it is fulfilled. We as Christians should not argue with atheists. It is a foolish thing to do. Proverbs 23:9 states that "Do not speak to a fool, for he will scorn the wisdom of your words". So leave it all to God to put them in their place. The more they scorn, the more the irony and gut wrenching shock they will experience when they see God. As much as I sometimes would like to see their faces at that moment, I honestly know that it would probably be best I didn't as the horror on their faces would be more than our /my mind could comprehend. If just seeing the horror on their faces is bad enough about their fate, just imagine when they find out they are about to be thrown into Hell forever and how they will recollect how they mocked people like me, you and other Christians. If that's not bad enough, can you just imagine how bad hell will be for them?
We live in a lost world. Just read all the non-believing posts on this forum. It's no wonder the world is in such a horrible state and condition.
Look, I for one don't mock peoples religion, I mock people who make snide remarks and insults (like calling Liberals stupid) and call themselves a Christian. Isn't religion supposed to make you a better person?

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stop the madness wrote:
<quoted text>Can you state anything besides personal attacks.
Of course, and I have. I don't sit idly by as others are attacked though, needlessly.
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Christianity
For many Unitarian Universalists, Jesus and Christian teachings provide insight into understanding how to live our lives. One of the shared sources of our faith is "Jewish and Christian teachings which call us to respond to God's love by loving our neighbors as ourselves."
As one Unitarian Universalist (UU) wrote: "Jesus' message remains strong in our efforts to create a beloved community here on earth, impelling us to witness to the injustices of this time." (Bruce Southworth) And Rev. Anita Farber-Robertson says, "Jesus [gives us] the strength to fight, the courage to love, and hearts that do not give up on anyone."
The Bible and its many interpretations have largely shaped our Unitarian Universalist history. Today, it is used in most Unitarian Universalist congregations as one of many sources of inspiration and reflection. To quote one member, "I claim the Bible as one more chapter, among several religious texts, in the Unitarian Universalist guide to living." (Laura Spencer)
This is not the only view of Jesus, the Bible, and Christianity within our faith. Unitarian Universalists can be Christian, Humanist, Pagan, Buddhist, Jewish, atheist, and more. A portion of Unitarian Universalists today identify as Christians, but even some Unitarian Universalists who do not identify primarily as Christians find inspiration in Christian ideas. Because of the freedom within our faith, there are many differing views regarding the role of Christianity in our religious community.
http://www.uua.org/visitors/beliefswithin/663...
As an American, I support the right of UU to worship/study, etc. On the other hand, accepting all teachings as equal doesn't seem logical. If Christ said that he was the only way, then considering other ways as valid seems to cancel out what he said. If so, then he is a liar, so why would you study his teachings?

I'm not saying Christ is a liar, I'm talking about logic and wasting time on Sunday going to a philosophy, religion and left-leaning political club.

I don't need someone to convince me to be good because not only Jesus, but Buddha and others were decent to others.

You have a right to believe what you want whether I find it logical or not. At least we have the right.
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Of course, and I have. I don't sit idly by as others are attacked though, needlessly.
Have you spent any time with unitarians.
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Balanced-I_hope wrote:
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As an American, I support the right of UU to worship/study, etc. On the other hand, accepting all teachings as equal doesn't seem logical. If Christ said that he was the only way, then considering other ways as valid seems to cancel out what he said. If so, then he is a liar, so why would you study his teachings?
I'm not saying Christ is a liar, I'm talking about logic and wasting time on Sunday going to a philosophy, religion and left-leaning political club.
I don't need someone to convince me to be good because not only Jesus, but Buddha and others were decent to others.
You have a right to believe what you want whether I find it logical or not. At least we have the right.
The unitarian problem is they are filled with contradiction, a lot like little children.
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Jul 29, 2008
 
oh no
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Jul 29, 2008
 
SUGAR SUGAR wrote:
<quoted text>IAM VERY HAPPY .I DONT NEED TO HAVE A FAIRY TALE GOD TO MAKE ME HAPPY, RELIGION IS FOR THE WEAK , IAM SORRY BUTS THATS THE TRUTH.REMEMBER RELIGION IS JUST A FAITH NOT A FACT AND THERE IS NO FACT THERE IS A GOD, RIGHT???????
Did you reply to my post TWICE with different replies? Hmmm? I don't think religion is for the weak, but it may keep "some" weak people from acting on their emotions.

Do you know that all caps mean shouting? Some people don't know that.

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