Gunman opens fire in Tennessee Unitarian Universalist church, 1 killed

Jul 27, 2008 | Posted by: Hesed | Full story: ap.google.com

A gunman opened fire at a church youth performance Sunday, injuring eight people and killing a man who witnesses called a hero for shielding others from a shotgun blast.

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If you don't believe in Jesus Christ why call your group a church. Why not a synagogue, temple, masque or what you really are a CULT.
A bit off topic, perhaps, but to clarify. The word "church" is used in the Bible to translate "ekklesia" and (in the Book of Hebrews) "synagogue." "Ekklesia" is, roughly, an assembly and is used to describe gatherings of Believers and the mob that tried to kill Paul over a decline in Diana statues.

When the King James was translated, the Puritans wanted "ekklesia" to be translated as "assembly" but, as the head of the Anglican Church, James vetoed the more accurate translation.

Except in the Book of Hebrews, it's never used to describe a building, in Paul's writings, "the church that meets in the house of ___" is used several times. Any gathering of people for any purpose is a church (technically).

As to "cult" in it's more accurate usage, it refers to any system of belief - all religions are cults - "cult" or "cultus" originally meant, simply, "worship." It is only in more common vernacular that "cult" has come to be used of religions considered spurious and basically just means, a religion not my own.
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Shannon Miller wrote:
This should be a wake up call to everyone, if there was capital punishment for these horrific crimes, these crimes would not happen as often. We can all thank our justice system for that. If people lost an arm for stealing, got gunned down for killing, or knew they were going to get the electric chair, everyone would have the REAL DEAL, JUSTICE!! What's fair, is FAIR!! My heart goes out to these families. They are in my thoughts and prayers.
Absolutely. But America is too liberal (stupid) to grasp that simple solution.
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El_Superbeasto wrote:
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I hope the next time it's the bar where your mom is stripping.
At least she's not a crack head prost itute like yours.
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roadrunner48808 wrote:
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Boy, you're not judgemental at all are you? And, I need to correct you on something, if I understood it correctly. Pagans and Wiccans would not be going to a UU church. Nor would most "earth based" religions. Get it right.
that is not the case with the uu's I know. to prove how wrong you are check out this uu site. www.cuups.org/ by the way I never claimed I was not judgemental

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stop the madness wrote:
<quoted text>They don't deserve blood shed, but they have definitely deserve the hatred.
How do they deserve the hatred? Because they don't believe the same as you? I absolutely hate the ignorant minds such as yours. Pathetic.
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Absolutely. But America is too liberal (stupid) to grasp that simple solution.
I agree but the strange thing is that uu's are some of the strongest opponents against capital punishment.

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I see instead of providing the posts you promised, you have gone on an all out character assault upon an anonymous person who you have never met.
Next you will resort to calling me names in some rage filled e~attack.
Because that is what true crazy people do over the internet when they are losing an argument and are made to look foolish.
Oh wait, you already have.
you lose.
you.
lose.
You acknowledged the posts as true - as I said, there is now no need to do so. Did you understand me this time?
I don't need to call you names, and I cannot assault what you do not have.
The only thing I have lost is time. Time responding to your silly attempts at being clever, and time refuting your claims of being a victim.
You need to remember that you started it.
I finished it.
You may leave now - and take your sympathy for murderers and pedarasts elsewhere.
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roadrunner48808 wrote:
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How do they deserve the hatred? Because they don't believe the same as you? I absolutely hate the ignorant minds such as yours. Pathetic.
Mo not at all. They deserve to be hated becouse of the evil they harbor. Their membership is mostly cons and complacent. They are truly pathetic.
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Prayers are Pointless wrote:
An added detail:
Most of you seem ignorant that he was shooting up a unitarian church. For those of you who aren't aware, unitarianism is the more sane of the garden variety pew religions, merely because they don't profess to know everything about made up millenia-old desert scribblings.
Who would shoot up a unitarian church? Someone who hates humanism, abortion, women's rights, environmental issues and anything that doesn't assume the rapture will whisk our problems away any day now. Namely, a christian.
Atheists and other people who put real thought into their core beliefs (and not with 'faith like a child') recognize fallacies for what they are, and can reason their way out of problems without shooting people. Why would someone shoot up a church? The answer is sitting in the pews and standing at the pulpit.
The above person is a prime example of the problem with America today. An atheist. This nutcase , and all like him/her, have so much blood on their hands that it's not funny.
Christianity has been proven year after year, century after century, millenia after millenia to be the winning doctrine for a successful society.
I just can't see why this is so hard to understand.

If you search deep into every problem cited in the news or every problem that you experience each day at work OR at home or within your group of friends and family, I can assure you that indirectly or directly, atheism ( or some warped /delusional interpretation of Christianity) can be blamed for the birth of that problem. Atheism and the actions of atheists, are the root problems with America.
The future holds to be an awful event because of the immediate, collateral, and lingering effects of atheism. I blame atheists for destroying everything that once was good in my country.

They lie about everything to prove that they are not the problem. They mock anything that is good and ridicule what is righteous and good for YOU. They think they are innocent and they are strictly self-righteous. They ban together thinking that in high numbers that they can 'wish' away God. They have already failed . It won't happen. Atheists forums contain the most vile and evil people you will ever meet. Don't trust them. They are liars. They use questions to stir doubt. They hang in groups to give each other support that they are in the right when in fact they are nothing but a group of totally confused people lost and unwilling to be found.

Christianity is the only way to resolve America's problems because IT WAS THE WHOLE REASON THIS COUNTRY WAS FORMED.
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Boy, you're not judgemental at all are you? And, I need to correct you on something, if I understood it correctly. Pagans and Wiccans would not be going to a UU church. Nor would most "earth based" religions. Get it right.
Paganism

There are many Wiccans, witches, Pagans, and people with other earth-based spiritualities who lead and worship in Unitarian Universalist congregations. At last count, 19 percent of our members identified with an Earth/Nature centered faith. This is one of the fastest-growing groups within our faith.

The sources of inspiration for the UU faith are too many to be counted, but delegates from each congregation have agreed that one of the predominant sources of our faith is, "Spiritual teachings of earth-centered traditions which celebrate the sacred circle of life and instruct us to live in harmony with the rhythms of nature."

In addition to modern Paganism, many Unitarian Universalists find spiritual inspiration in other forms of nature-based spirituality, including simple seasonal reverence, modern Transcendentalism, and other nature-honoring paths.

http://www.uua.org/visitors/beliefswithin/667...

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stop the madness wrote:
<quoted text>that is not the case with the uu's I know. to prove how wrong you are check out this uu site. www.cuups.org/ by the way I never claimed I was not judgemental
Seriously, are you really that dense. This is a COVENANT.....A PAGAN RELIGION. Who just happen to have part of the Unitarian Universalist in their name. Try UUA.org
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The above person is a prime example of the problem with America today. An atheist.
Atheism/Agnosticism

Atheists (people who do not believe in a god) and Agnostics (people who think that we cannot know whether a god exists) are more than welcome within Unitarian Universalism. Unitarian Universalism is unusual in its belief that a person can be very religious, spiritual, moral, etc. without believing in a god. There is no requirement to believe in a god of any sort within our faith. At last count, 19% of Unitarian Universalists said that they did not believe in any type of god.

Some Unitarian Universalist congregations are more Deistic (god-centered) than others. While some congregations regularly refer to God in worship and prayer, others have a much more varied approach to addressing the religious spirit. Even in those congregations where they often use the word "God," it's ok if you don't believe in a god.

Explore our website, visit a congregation near you and discover Unitarian Universalism. The Unitarian Universalist Association is pleased to offer Unitarian Universalist Perspectives: thoughts from notable Unitarian Universalists on issues at the intersection of religion and society. Welcome to Unitarian Universalism!

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<quoted text> You advocate killing Americans, and it's the Liberals that are the bad guys? Wow. How do you justify that?
He can't

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<quoted text> Mo not at all. They deserve to be hated becouse of the evil they harbor. Their membership is mostly cons and complacent. They are truly pathetic.
And that is your opinion. Close minded as it is. And ignorant as hell. But still your opinion. Let me ask you this, what is your religion of choice?
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Christianity is the only way to resolve America's problems because IT WAS THE WHOLE REASON THIS COUNTRY WAS FORMED.
Christianity

For many Unitarian Universalists, Jesus and Christian teachings provide insight into understanding how to live our lives. One of the shared sources of our faith is "Jewish and Christian teachings which call us to respond to God's love by loving our neighbors as ourselves."

As one Unitarian Universalist (UU) wrote: "Jesus' message remains strong in our efforts to create a beloved community here on earth, impelling us to witness to the injustices of this time." (Bruce Southworth) And Rev. Anita Farber-Robertson says, "Jesus [gives us] the strength to fight, the courage to love, and hearts that do not give up on anyone."

The Bible and its many interpretations have largely shaped our Unitarian Universalist history. Today, it is used in most Unitarian Universalist congregations as one of many sources of inspiration and reflection. To quote one member, "I claim the Bible as one more chapter, among several religious texts, in the Unitarian Universalist guide to living." (Laura Spencer)

This is not the only view of Jesus, the Bible, and Christianity within our faith. Unitarian Universalists can be Christian, Humanist, Pagan, Buddhist, Jewish, atheist, and more. A portion of Unitarian Universalists today identify as Christians, but even some Unitarian Universalists who do not identify primarily as Christians find inspiration in Christian ideas. Because of the freedom within our faith, there are many differing views regarding the role of Christianity in our religious community.

http://www.uua.org/visitors/beliefswithin/663...
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Humanism

Humanism is a philosophy that stresses the human aspect of life here and now, and puts the responsibility for ethical behavior upon each individual. Humanism also focuses on rational rather than supernatural religious explanations. Modern-day Religious Humanism is largely derived from the writings of early American Unitarian Humanists, including Joseph Priestley, Thomas Jefferson, and John Haynes Holmes.

Almost half of Unitarian Universalists today define themselves as Humanists. They comprise the largest spiritual identity group within Unitarian Universalism. Given this, it is not surprising that much of Unitarian Universalist faith and worship is grounded in Humanist thought.

Rev. Sarah Oelberg describes her Unitarian Universalist Humanism as this:

"Humanism leads me to find a sense of wider relatedness with all the world and its peoples, and it calls me to work for a sound environment and a humane civilization... Humanism also makes me aware of the existence of moral dilemmas and the need to be very careful and intentional in my moral decision-making."

Explore our website, visit a congregation near you and discover Unitarian Universalism. The Unitarian Universalist Association is pleased to offer Unitarian Universalist Perspectives: thoughts from notable Unitarian Universalists on issues at the intersection of religion and society.

Welcome to Unitarian Universalism!

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Lindsay wrote:
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I love this scripture...it comforts me when I read posts from people like you that show no respect to christians or to God. One day, even YOU will bow your knee and confess with your mouth that Jesus Christ is Lord. Hallelujah!! You may not do it now, but someday you will and every other non - believer will too. HIS WORD declares it and it SHALL come to pass.
Philippians 2:10 That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth;
2:11 And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.
Fantastic post. I agree, that scripture will be an awesome thing once it is fulfilled. We as Christians should not argue with atheists. It is a foolish thing to do. Proverbs 23:9 states that "Do not speak to a fool, for he will scorn the wisdom of your words". So leave it all to God to put them in their place. The more they scorn, the more the irony and gut wrenching shock they will experience when they see God. As much as I sometimes would like to see their faces at that moment, I honestly know that it would probably be best I didn't as the horror on their faces would be more than our /my mind could comprehend. If just seeing the horror on their faces is bad enough about their fate, just imagine when they find out they are about to be thrown into Hell forever and how they will recollect how they mocked people like me, you and other Christians. If that's not bad enough, can you just imagine how bad hell will be for them?

We live in a lost world. Just read all the non-believing posts on this forum. It's no wonder the world is in such a horrible state and condition.
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My prayers go out to the families and especially the CHILDREN (how quickly we forget) affected by this horrific incident.

For those who have condemned or sarcastically spoke about how this church worships, I can only pray that your computer doesn't short circuit and/or blow up in your faces. Let me state again that this incident happened while CHILDREN were performing a play. With this incident and the recent murder in Shenandoah, you all had better wake up and realize that your CHILDREN are listening when you least expect it and Karma, like the Lord works in mysterious ways.
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And that is your opinion. Close minded as it is. And ignorant as hell. But still your opinion. Let me ask you this, what is your religion of choice?
I have been to many uu churches due to family association, I would best described as agnostic.

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Very decent people. You will never see a crazed Unitarian blasting anyone with shotguns.

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