Spitshine

Zephyrhills, FL

#21 Dec 5, 2011
freedom man wrote:
How long will it take for them to call OWS all terrorist,or anyone they want out of the way..?
Yes, your paranoia is confirmed.
The Truth

Ringgold, GA

#22 Dec 5, 2011
Spitshine wrote:
<quoted text>
Yes, your paranoia is confirmed.
I never comment on this forms, but not I have to; People will believe what they want, but the facts or clear ( now you are not free ) you can be arrested without trial, the two Senaters in Tennessee voted for it. judge for yourself, 1 million people can't be wrong.
The Truth

Ringgold, GA

#23 Dec 5, 2011
Spitshine wrote:
@Mike
Well, what "ain't" there is the word "allied", so I guess you did not read it. If you would go to Subtitle D, Detainee Matters, Section 1031 page 59 of the Bill, you will be able to read this:
[b]"(a) IN GENERAL.—Congress affirms that the authority of the President to use all necessary and appropriate force pursuant to the Authorization for Use of Military Force (Public Law 107–40) includes the authority for the Armed Forces of the United States to detain covered persons (as defined in subsection (b)) pending disposition under the law of war.
(b) COVERED PERSONS.—A covered person under this section is any person as follows:
(1) A person who planned, authorized, committed, or aided the terrorist attacks that occurred 19 on September 11, 2001, or harbored those responsible for those attacks.
(2) A person who was a part of or substantially supported al-Qaeda, the Taliban, or associated forces that are engaged in hostilities against the United States or its coalition partners, including any person who has committed a belligerent act or has directly supported such hostilities in aid of such enemy forces.[/b]
Next time, give me a reference when you make a statement about what this new NDAA 2012 states.
By the way, an Executive order states that any US citizen taking up arms with Al-Qaeda has no legal rights, and that the U.S may target and kill US citizens who take up arms with Al-Qaeda on the battlefield. The battlefield, by the way, is global. It's a beautiful order, isn't it?
After reading some comments I seen many are buying into the AlQaeda Ghost, borned by the CIA
Youmademelol

Clarksville, TN

#24 Dec 5, 2011
Al-Q, you all mean that computer database put in place to keep track of good ol OBL aka Tim Osmans trainees?
Also, it's more than likely, if any of the information on this argument over some bs bill the nwo is trying to slide under the radar or in front of our alpha wave exhausted eyes, that we've all been flagged into a fusion center database, there's 2 in Tn and over 70 in the US. So I hope we can all enjoy lovin in detainment camps together, what's that? You say those are FEMA camps...? Oh that explains why the barb wire is facing inwards on the fences.
So, keep absorbing alpha waves outta your tv set. Keep drinking fluoridated water, actually bad for your teeth, but the good news is it reduces your IQ and renders your penal gland absolutely useless.- did you know hitler an Stalin experimented with flouride in the water supply on prisoners and it's affect to make them stupid and docile allowing them to reduce guards over 50%.
Oh and those chem trails, not only are they good for you they are also good for our soil, just like all the worthless corn we're growing. Thanks Monsanto, I'd way rather eat genetically engineered foods than organic, and you're right, we don't need honey bees, Einstein doesn't know what he's talking about. WAIT! Those are com trails you say? Hmm awfully low jetliners, and odd destination patterns too. Its admitted, chem trails are supposed to help slow the non-existent global warming. Well could it be possible that global warming is due to Harrp? Is anyone awake? Does anyone care? It's cool if you don't know what to do but at least be semi aware of what's going on.
If you think we're paranoid, fine, but you shouldn't be against people who want positive change, who want the elitest out an the common good restored. We don't need militias, we need free thinkers, not group think, we need creativity not common regurgitated bs. Get over your political views, religious views, prejudices, racism, etc and start thinking about what's important, no not Justin bieber! Start thinking about helping humanity, and more importantly nature an mother earth, we've already fucked her over enough. Maybe, unlike our grandparents and theirs before them, we can do something to get humanity headed in the right direction, something that's actually gonna benefit the future generations and the longevity of this planet.
NA! Fuck that, where's my Micky d's and gallon of diet coke!
Kelsey

Brentwood, TN

#25 Dec 5, 2011
@freedomman- they already declared OWS members in London low level terrorists. It won't take long to make it's way here.
freedom man

Rutledge, TN

#26 Dec 7, 2011
Spitshine wrote:
<quoted text>
You are paranoid and quite the comedian.
Then why is this guy worried about it to. http://youtu.be/dKhjw7ZT7pU U people better wake up,there trying to tear down the bill of rights.
mike

Oakdale, TN

#27 Dec 7, 2011
What bothers me is everytime congress passes a law somebody pops up and says they are taking away our freedoms.For example they pass a law that says murder is a crime and you should be put in prison and some nutcase jump up and says every american will be put in jail.Now unless its in ivisble ink i dont see anywhere that we are going to be arrested it just isnt there.
Free Dom

Salt Lake City, UT

#28 Dec 7, 2011
Spitshine wrote:
Link to the NDAA 2012. Go to page 361 where section 1032 "Requirement for military custody" begins and read:
http://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/BILLS-112s1867pc...
Read the actual bill, not the anti-American and anti-Constitution hype on the internet written by scared, paranoid conspiracy theorists.
Okay, so upon reading the actual bill it does state in 1032 -
"(4) WAIVER FOR NATIONAL SECURITY.—The Secretary of Defense may, in consultation with the Secretary of State and the Director of National Intelligence, waive the requirement of paragraph (1) if the Secretary submits to Congress a certification in writing that such a waiver is in the national security interests of the United States."

So, basically they gave themselves an out to submit a waiver for any person or group that disagrees with them. They can just say if you are not with us then you are against us, which must logically mean you are with al-Qaeda. I mean, we should all trust that Congress and the Secretary of Defense and the Secretary of State has our best interests in mind since they have served us so well so far. Our liberties, our country, and our economy are obviously rock solid and not at jeopardy of crumbling away. They have been stripping away our rights and liberties over the past ten years for "National Security". You must be naive to think these career politicians will not do whatever it takes to keep their jobs and their influx of dirty money. If everyone said we are voting you all out of office because you are corrupt, they would definitely consider a national security waiver in order to not be ousted. I know you will say I am a paranoid idiot, but we have not seen this congress do anything to help anyone except themselves.
CSD

Chillicothe, OH

#29 Dec 11, 2011
About this bill not directly pursuing Americans; you are somewhat correct. But if you take a look at what the FBI claims a terrorist or even suspected can be you understand why this is a bigger issue than that one bill.

THe Feds have already put laws into place dictating that; people missing fingers, animal rights' and property rights' activists, "Nice guy" demeanor all qualify as suspected terrorists. I could go on but that's just a few to show that while it isn't "directly" about Americans in THIS bill; in conjunction with other laws it allows the government the power of a dictatorship.
Libertarian at heart

United States

#30 Dec 15, 2011
Spitshine is absolutely correct. Read it for yourslf:
(b) APPLICABILITY TO UNITED STATES CITIZENS AND LAWFUL RESIDENT ALIENS.—
(1) UNITED STATES CITIZENS—The requirement to detain a person in military custody under this section does not extend to citizens of the United States.
Spitshine

Zephyrhills, FL

#31 Dec 16, 2011
Thank you Libertarian at heart. Finally someone that actually reads the bill. To amplify, The bill would create a legal basis for the detention of suspected Al Qaeda terrorists and their allies and require military custody for foreign terrorists who attack the United States. Note it states "foreign terrorists".

Also, the bill was passed in the Senate yesterday, with the final legislation stating that nothing in it may be “construed to affect existing law or authorities relating to the detention of United States citizens, lawful resident aliens of the United States, or any other persons who are captured or arrested in the United States.”

Read more: http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1211/705...
Spitshine

Zephyrhills, FL

#32 Dec 18, 2011
Let's make this as understandable as possible:
According to Section 1032 on “Requirement for Military Custody,” for instance,“the requirement to detain a person in military custody under this section does not apply to citizens of the United States.” A no-brainer here. Easy to interpret and not subject to alternate interpretations. Let's read that again: "the requirement to detain a person in military custody under this section does not apply to citizens of the United States." I understood this. Did you?
Now, here's where it gets a little tricky for some. Section 1031, which relates to the use of the armed forces to detain covered people “pursuant to the Authorization for Use of Military Force,” has a very narrow purpose of describing detention “under the law of war” of people who either participated in the terrorist attacks of Sept. 11, 2001, or is a member or “substantial supporter” of al-Qaida, the Taliban, or “associated forces that are engaged in hostilities against the United States or its coalition partners.” This DOES apply to U.S. citizens, but it has already been established in plentiful detail that traitors who join forces with the enemy are subject to military law, including detention and worse.
There is a virtually nil chance that you or your neighbors will be swept up off the street and locked up in “indefinite detention” unless you are indeed engaged in war against the United States. At that point, sorry, you lose most of your civil liberties.
In other words, required military custody does not apply to US citizens, unless you are a traitor who has joined forces with a known enemy at war with the USA, in which upon capture, are subject to military law.
Beth

Commack, NY

#33 Dec 22, 2011
All it says is the requirement to detain US citizens without fair trial does not extend to US citizens. That does NOT mean that they CAN'T be held indefinitely. Also, I believe this was the part that was taken out because Obama threatened to veto it if it was not. So there's not even that protection anymore.
Spitshine wrote:
Link to the NDAA 2012. Go to page 361 where section 1032 "Requirement for military custody" begins and read:
http://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/BILLS-112s1867pc...
Read the actual bill, not the anti-American and anti-Constitution hype on the internet written by scared, paranoid conspiracy theorists.
john

United States

#34 Jan 4, 2012
eff Walker
A coward is much more exposed to quarrels than a man of spirit.
Thomas Jefferson

A strong body makes the mind strong. As to the species of exercises, I advise the gun. While this gives moderate exercise to the body, it gives boldness, enterprise and independence to the mind. Games played with the ball, and others of that nature, are too violent for the body and stamp no character on the mind. Let your gun therefore be your constant companion of your walks.
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Jeff Walker
The reason that government is doing all the bad things that it's doing is because the American people are being cowards. The bully will always find the coward.
When americas can grow half the balls the founders of this country had then things will get better. Until that time every man should sit down when he pees and hold his limp manhood with shame.
Dr_KillShot

Mammoth Lakes, CA

#35 Mar 19, 2012
Spitshine wrote:
Bullshit! You are reading the bill wrong. Stop being an idiot and gullible American. Get lost.
Stop being an idiotic gullible American* It reads better. Speaking of reading better can you explain in layman terms what section 1031-1033 means? Incite would be greatly appreciated.
"Section 1031
(c) DISPOSITION UNDER LAW OF WAR.—The dis-
4 position of a person under the law of war as described
5 in subsection (a) may include the following:
6 (1) Detention under the law of war without
7 trial until the end of the hostilities authorized by the
8 Authorization for Use of Military Force."
I don't know what is idiotic about being concerned about line 6 through 8 above. Detention without trial sounds pretty scary.
amend

Mount Juliet, TN

#36 Mar 19, 2012
Fact is Free Dom, they are passing laws against citizens everyday. To all people that are arguing, Have you ever read the Patriot Act? It is unclear if they intend to use these ridiculous laws against regular Amricans, but they are so vaguely worded, that they can easily be misconstrued to apply to anyone. All the basic laws are on the books. hundreds of new regulations are passed everyday. Instead of passing more ridiculous laws, they should be doing away with nuisance regulation and antiquated measures. Free Dom, everytime I say something serious on this site, it is very quickly shot down. Too many people enjoy thinking that big government is an all powerful, loving Father. The government is gonna make it right. We are all going to eat rainbows and deficate butterflies.
amend

Mount Juliet, TN

#37 Mar 19, 2012
I would understand their arguement if the government had not already bent Americans over. A giant stimulus to bail out failing corporations, which did not save or create any jobs. Corporations that have existed for many decades can change their name, and be hailed as a new business, get all the tax breaks of job creation on existing jobs. Mortgages inflated, as in over a hundred thousand dollars for a trailer. Those things are not much better than tents and should be outlawed. All the forclosures, evictions of American families, only for the houses to sit and rot, and in many cases the families had already paid more than a fair price for said houses.I am not even broaching the subject of this war, but they did pass humanitarian invasion laws trying to go to Africa. If they were winning the war they are already fighting, I could understand, not really, they have had no interest in child soldiers in Africa before. Why now? Why are they even still in the middle east? What exactly is this invasion/occupation trying to accomplish?
amend

Mount Juliet, TN

#38 Mar 19, 2012
There are many laws in place against the
constitution. Wonder what they will be used for?

Bill Clinton's EXECUTIVE ORDER 12919, now edited by Current prez.
tinion

Memphis, TN

#39 May 30, 2012
Spitshine wrote:
Link to the NDAA 2012. Go to page 361 where section 1032 "Requirement for military custody" begins and read:
http://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/BILLS-112s1867pc...
Read the actual bill, not the anti-American and anti-Constitution hype on the internet written by scared, paranoid conspiracy theorists.
the link isn't working for me. i'm still trying to find the test on the bill, or the final bill designation so i can read it for myself.
James

Fishers, IN

#40 Feb 7, 2013
Spitshine wrote:
No one can be arrested and held indefinitely due to suspicion. But a belligerent act is a warlike act of an aggressively hostile nature/an act of carrying out war, and if someone committed a belligerent act against the US as a member of Al-Qaeda. you may be targeted for elimination!!!! Matter-of-fact, I would hope so!
yes they can you need to re read it it says it does apply be careful about how they word it to confuse you look closer

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