National Defense Authorization ACT FFY 2012? SEC 1031 and 1032

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Kelsey

Brentwood, TN

#1 Dec 2, 2011
Just so everyone knows and understands, last night, we officially killed our last hope of freedom in demolishing our forefathers only weapon for us to defend our freedom. With this bill that passed last night, Congress officially declared American citizens targets in the War on Terror and is now wagging war against American Citizens. It allows them to indefinitely detain, torture, and even assassinate American citizens based on the suspicion of being a terrorist (which in definition is anyone who opposes government agenda). I have personally reviewed this bill, and there is a lot of double speak as to if they can detain you. When or if you read it, you must understand that they specifically designed this bill to be deceitful, you will notice that in section 1032 it states what the requirements are of a covered person and to indefinitely detain them. If you read it sounds like a covered person would most definitely be associated with AL-Q, or planning an attack (as those are its provisions) what you don't notice is that right below it says, These REQUIREMENTS do not apply to US citizens, so its saying that American citizens do not have to meet these requirements to be indefinitely detained without a speedy trial or right to due process. That you can be assassinated... Ladies and Gentlemen, welcome to the new world order. You are all now slaves of superficial democracy. Wake up.
Spitshine

Zephyrhills, FL

#2 Dec 3, 2011
Bullshit! You are reading the bill wrong. Stop being an idiot and gullible American. Get lost.
Spitshine

Zephyrhills, FL

#3 Dec 3, 2011
Link to the NDAA 2012. Go to page 361 where section 1032 "Requirement for military custody" begins and read:

http://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/BILLS-112s1867pc...

Read the actual bill, not the anti-American and anti-Constitution hype on the internet written by scared, paranoid conspiracy theorists.
mike

Oakdale, TN

#4 Dec 3, 2011
Kelsey wrote:
Just so everyone knows and understands, last night, we officially killed our last hope of freedom in demolishing our forefathers only weapon for us to defend our freedom. With this bill that passed last night, Congress officially declared American citizens targets in the War on Terror and is now wagging war against American Citizens. It allows them to indefinitely detain, torture, and even assassinate American citizens based on the suspicion of being a terrorist (which in definition is anyone who opposes government agenda). I have personally reviewed this bill, and there is a lot of double speak as to if they can detain you. When or if you read it, you must understand that they specifically designed this bill to be deceitful, you will notice that in section 1032 it states what the requirements are of a covered person and to indefinitely detain them. If you read it sounds like a covered person would most definitely be associated with AL-Q, or planning an attack (as those are its provisions) what you don't notice is that right below it says, These REQUIREMENTS do not apply to US citizens, so its saying that American citizens do not have to meet these requirements to be indefinitely detained without a speedy trial or right to due process. That you can be assassinated... Ladies and Gentlemen, welcome to the new world order. You are all now slaves of superficial democracy. Wake up.
MAN YOUR PARANOID.Idont know what you been sniffing but it doesnt say that.You must be one of those loons who think BLACK HELICOPTERS are flying all over.First off it doesnt say that your making it up just to justify your hatred of the goverment and you must be a MILITIA MEMBER because thats the same crap they would say so drop the act and get your head on straight FOOOL//////
Spitshine

Zephyrhills, FL

#5 Dec 3, 2011
Duster huffer for sure!
STORM

Ringgold, GA

#6 Dec 3, 2011
And the people still believe that the Government is for you. Arrest with no trial, Does this mean "No More Lawyers" Tennessee should be proud their two puppets voted for it.
Spitshine

Zephyrhills, FL

#7 Dec 3, 2011
@Mike of Cooksville: I am no conspiracy theorist nor am I paranoid. I am a true blue American. But I did see, on one occasion, a black helicopter flying low and fast, with no markings, logo, buro number, serial number, nothing. Don't know what it was, but I also will not jump to conclusions either.
mike

Oakdale, TN

#8 Dec 3, 2011
Spitshine wrote:
@Mike of Cooksville: I am no conspiracy theorist nor am I paranoid. I am a true blue American. But I did see, on one occasion, a black helicopter flying low and fast, with no markings, logo, buro number, serial number, nothing. Don't know what it was, but I also will not jump to conclusions either.
You are jumpnig to conclusions.Did you actually read it i did.It says in a nutshell any person allying themselves to AL QUIEDA OR ANY TERRORIST GROUPS CAN BE PLACED UNDER ARREST BY THE MILITARY.There is nothing in there to sugggest ordinary US CITIZENS in this country can be arrested by the military.THE POSSE COMATUS ACT forbids that from happening.As for the black helicopter it could be anything.Also everytime i hear the term TRUE BLUE AMERICAN you paint yourself in a corner because for some people that means your rather inflexible in thought.The problem i seeing is people seeing things that aint there.I suggest you reread it and you will see what i mean.
Spitshine

Zephyrhills, FL

#9 Dec 4, 2011
@Mike
Well, what "ain't" there is the word "allied", so I guess you did not read it. If you would go to Subtitle D, Detainee Matters, Section 1031 page 59 of the Bill, you will be able to read this:
[b]"(a) IN GENERAL.—Congress affirms that the authority of the President to use all necessary and appropriate force pursuant to the Authorization for Use of Military Force (Public Law 107–40) includes the authority for the Armed Forces of the United States to detain covered persons (as defined in subsection (b)) pending disposition under the law of war.
(b) COVERED PERSONS.—A covered person under this section is any person as follows:
(1) A person who planned, authorized, committed, or aided the terrorist attacks that occurred 19 on September 11, 2001, or harbored those responsible for those attacks.
(2) A person who was a part of or substantially supported al-Qaeda, the Taliban, or associated forces that are engaged in hostilities against the United States or its coalition partners, including any person who has committed a belligerent act or has directly supported such hostilities in aid of such enemy forces.[/b]
Next time, give me a reference when you make a statement about what this new NDAA 2012 states.
By the way, an Executive order states that any US citizen taking up arms with Al-Qaeda has no legal rights, and that the U.S may target and kill US citizens who take up arms with Al-Qaeda on the battlefield. The battlefield, by the way, is global. It's a beautiful order, isn't it?
mike

Oakdale, TN

#10 Dec 4, 2011
You paranoid delusionists are wasting time on this.THERE IS NO LAW EXISTING OR PROPOSED THAT WOULD HAVE YOU ARRESTED BY THE MILITARY.The sooner you figure it out you can go on and be paranoid about something else.
Kelsey

Brentwood, TN

#11 Dec 4, 2011
It says "anyone who has committed a belligerent act". Also, those are the requirements for a covered person, below it, it says "these requirements do not extend to us citizens"! I posted that I have personally reviewed the bill, I'm a pre law major and I'm trained in legislative writing. In court, they can and will set the interpretation (precedence) that US citizens do not have to meet those requirements to be killed, or captured and held I definitely. They just have to have suspicion (not reasonable doubt) that you are a terrorist. Definition (3) of terrorist is anyone going against the governments agenda in a hostile or aggressive manner. Hostile to them can be anything.
mike

Oakdale, TN

#12 Dec 4, 2011
Kelsey wrote:
It says "anyone who has committed a belligerent act". Also, those are the requirements for a covered person, below it, it says "these requirements do not extend to us citizens"! I posted that I have personally reviewed the bill, I'm a pre law major and I'm trained in legislative writing. In court, they can and will set the interpretation (precedence) that US citizens do not have to meet those requirements to be killed, or captured and held I definitely. They just have to have suspicion (not reasonable doubt) that you are a terrorist. Definition (3) of terrorist is anyone going against the governments agenda in a hostile or aggressive manner. Hostile to them can be anything.
You have implied that an AMERCIAN citizen can be arrested for anything and that you implied that freedom is gone as a result did you not.Do not let your idealism get in front of your common sense.Yes you can be arrested for terrorist acts not speaking your mind so be sure to seperate the two.Also i suggest coffee to keep you awake in your next class.
Kelsey

Seattle, WA

#13 Dec 4, 2011
You're one to sit and and criticize when I'm sure you never made it there to begin with. Idealism has no point in this as I'm stating fact. If you want to argue the facts I've presented then I'd be glad to have a civilized debate without petty remarks. If you can't argue them, them then spend your time some where else.
Rishi

Myrtle Beach, SC

#14 Dec 4, 2011
"Shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws”
"Allow the president to invade a neighboring nation, whenever he shall deem it necessary to repel an invasion, and you allow him to do so whenever he may choose to say he deems it necessary for such a purpose - and you allow him to make war at pleasure." ~ Abraham Lincoln
Don't interfere with anything in the Constitution. That must be maintained, for it is the only safeguard of our liberties." ~ Abraham Lincoln
Kelsey

Brentwood, TN

#15 Dec 4, 2011
@Rishi
Thank you for posting that. We can sit here and argue the sections of this bill all day but when it cones down to it, it is unconstitutional regardless. The government is taking away our sovereignty and it is obviously without our permission. All for the "sake" of our security. It's getting bad out here and unlike the cowards who want to just move out of the nation, I'm choosing to stay and try to save our country.
jay

Allston, MA

#16 Dec 4, 2011
the problem as I see it is they can arrest anyone SUSPECTED of terrorism, and hold them INDEFINITELY, with NO RIGHTS, you guys are arguing sec 1032 saying it doesn't apply to US Citizens, here is what it says:
(1) UNITED STATES CITIZENS.—The require- ment to detain a person in military custody under this section does not extend to citizens of the United States.
the REQUIREMENT to detain a US Citizen, that doesn't mean they CAN'T detain a US Citizen, and recently the senate voted AGAINST an amendment to the bill that would clarify that US Citizens may not be held indefinitely... Why would they vote against that?
Spitshine

Zephyrhills, FL

#17 Dec 4, 2011
No one can be arrested and held indefinitely due to suspicion. But a belligerent act is a warlike act of an aggressively hostile nature/an act of carrying out war, and if someone committed a belligerent act against the US as a member of Al-Qaeda. you may be targeted for elimination!!!! Matter-of-fact, I would hope so!
freedom man

Rutledge, TN

#18 Dec 5, 2011
Spitshine wrote:
Link to the NDAA 2012. Go to page 361 where section 1032 "Requirement for military custody" begins and read:
http://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/BILLS-112s1867pc...
Read the actual bill, not the anti-American and anti-Constitution hype on the internet written by scared, paranoid conspiracy theorists.
So all they need to do is suspect you are a terrorist then they can detain you,heres some of the things that might make u a terrorist,missing fingers,having guns,water proof ammo,having more than 7 days of food in your house thats just a few..And remember u will go straight to military court,this is the end of the bill of rights,If Obama has any balls he needs to veto this bill,he can stop it.And we need to vote some new leaders in.
freedom man

Rutledge, TN

#19 Dec 5, 2011
How long will it take for them to call OWS all terrorist,or anyone they want out of the way..?
Spitshine

Zephyrhills, FL

#20 Dec 5, 2011
freedom man wrote:
<quoted text>So all they need to do is suspect you are a terrorist then they can detain you,heres some of the things that might make u a terrorist,missing fingers,having guns,water proof ammo,having more than 7 days of food in your house thats just a few..And remember u will go straight to military court,this is the end of the bill of rights,If Obama has any balls he needs to veto this bill,he can stop it.And we need to vote some new leaders in.
You are paranoid and quite the comedian.

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