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Should state mandate immunizations? New requirements effective in July

There are 9774 comments on the Chattanoogan.com story from May 4, 2011, titled Should state mandate immunizations? New requirements effective in July. In it, Chattanoogan.com reports that:

Immunizations are one of the most efficient and cost-effective ways to protect children against childhood diseases and Tennessee law requires documented immunizations.

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Since: Sep 07

Los Angeles, CA

#7223 Apr 22, 2013
Done my homework wrote:
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Look at the money poured into defeating a proposition in California that would require any foods that contain GMO to be labeled accordingly. The proposition was defeated, but don't you just gotta wonder why over a Million Dollars per day was spent to defeat it? The list of food companies is very interesting too. Think Monsanto and Con-Agra companies.
The prop in California was worded very poorly and extremely confusing. Not all foods were required to be labelled, and the foods which were required vs weren't was extremely arbitrary.

Dog food must be labelled. Milk for human consumption - no.

Very strange.

If someone were to put together a more simple criteria like: If its is meant for human consumption and contains any GMO product or byproduct is should carry this symbol.

That sort of a measure would pass.
Done my homework

Oak Ridge, TN

#7224 Apr 23, 2013
Nuggin wrote:
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The prop in California was worded very poorly and extremely confusing. Not all foods were required to be labelled, and the foods which were required vs weren't was extremely arbitrary.
Dog food must be labelled. Milk for human consumption - no.
Very strange.
If someone were to put together a more simple criteria like: If its is meant for human consumption and contains any GMO product or byproduct is should carry this symbol.
That sort of a measure would pass.
All the info I had was through the news, but never found a link to the Proposition itself. Perhaps you could post a link here so those interested could read it for themselves?

I'm not convinced that food grown from gene-spliced seed is safe. Splice fish genes in with tomatoes and the insects can't find the tomatoes, but what effect inside the human body?

And, if it was worded so badly, why were major food companies fighting it so hard? Was Betty Crocker afraid the dogs might not eat Alpo?

Since: Sep 07

Los Angeles, CA

#7225 Apr 23, 2013
Done my homework wrote:
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All the info I had was through the news, but never found a link to the Proposition itself. Perhaps you could post a link here so those interested could read it for themselves?
http://ballotpedia.org/wiki/index.php/Text_of...
I'm not convinced that food grown from gene-spliced seed is safe. Splice fish genes in with tomatoes and the insects can't find the tomatoes, but what effect inside the human body?
While I agree that some of what Monsanto is doing is having negative effects on bee populations, etc. it's worth keeping in mind that you aren't injecting this stuff into your blood stream.

You're chewing it up and eating it.

A fish protein, whether from a fish or from a tomato, is still just a protein. When it hits the stomach acid it behaves like the same protein regardless of the source.

However, I do agree that splicing in something that we never eat requires a much higher degree of testing than splicing two types of food together.
And, if it was worded so badly, why were major food companies fighting it so hard? Was Betty Crocker afraid the dogs might not eat Alpo?
Because a badly worded initiative can easily cause massive costs to companies.

For example, if we pass a law that says egg producing farms needs to give each chicken 3 sq feet of space (btw I have NO IDEA how much space a chicken has, I'm just guessing) but they currently have only 2sq ft, the farmer is looking at redoing ALL 10,000 cages _and_ slaughtering a couple thousand chickens to fit the new criteria.

But, in the end, are the chickens better off? Do chickens prefer more space? Or do they like to cluster together for security?

California's initiative process assumes that the voter knows something about the topic which is almost NEVER the case. It condenses down 10-15 page documents into 2-3 sentences and expects someone who has never even heard about it to make a wise decision in the voting booth.
No More

Chatsworth, GA

#7226 Apr 23, 2013
Do you all want small pox, the plague, polio, whooping cough, and a whole host of other things that have been eradicated to come back. Food additive's are probably more responsible for autism. And diet in general. During the fifties women drank, smoked while preg. and then we got every new shoot in the world and autism was not going crazy then.
Done my homework

Oak Ridge, TN

#7227 Apr 23, 2013
Nuggin wrote:
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http://ballotpedia.org/wiki/index.php/Text_of...
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While I agree that some of what Monsanto is doing is having negative effects on bee populations, etc. it's worth keeping in mind that you aren't injecting this stuff into your blood stream.
You're chewing it up and eating it.
A fish protein, whether from a fish or from a tomato, is still just a protein. When it hits the stomach acid it behaves like the same protein regardless of the source.
However, I do agree that splicing in something that we never eat requires a much higher degree of testing than splicing two types of food together.
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Because a badly worded initiative can easily cause massive costs to companies.
For example, if we pass a law that says egg producing farms needs to give each chicken 3 sq feet of space (btw I have NO IDEA how much space a chicken has, I'm just guessing) but they currently have only 2sq ft, the farmer is looking at redoing ALL 10,000 cages _and_ slaughtering a couple thousand chickens to fit the new criteria.
But, in the end, are the chickens better off? Do chickens prefer more space? Or do they like to cluster together for security?
California's initiative process assumes that the voter knows something about the topic which is almost NEVER the case. It condenses down 10-15 page documents into 2-3 sentences and expects someone who has never even heard about it to make a wise decision in the voting booth.
Thanks, when I get a chance I'll read it.

Maybe it does act the same in the digestion process, maybe it doesn't. I guess it would depend on what they spliced together. Too many questions here, but something else has come to mind just now. What if they're splicing .... pork DNA into corn? Some religions, and those who follow dietary restrictions of those certain religions, might consider GMO foods as questionable, so labeling would be necessary.

Anyway, on the whole I see your points and agree with many. It is sad that the typical US citizen has allowed him/herself to become so apathetic and ignorant in these matters.
Done my homework

Oak Ridge, TN

#7228 Apr 23, 2013
(a) California consumers have the right to know whether the foods they purchase were produced using genetic engineering. Genetic engineering of plants and animals often causes unintended consequences. Manipulating genes and inserting them into organisms is an imprecise process. The results are not always predictable or controllable, and they can lead to adverse health or environmental consequences.

First paragraph I read.

Since: Sep 07

Los Angeles, CA

#7229 Apr 23, 2013
No More wrote:
Do you all want small pox, the plague, polio, whooping cough, and a whole host of other things that have been eradicated to come back. Food additive's are probably more responsible for autism. And diet in general. During the fifties women drank, smoked while preg. and then we got every new shoot in the world and autism was not going crazy then.
The real cause is this:

During the 50s, autism referred to a very small group of behaviors.

Today, the "autism spectrum" has a much wider range.

Basically, people who were "retarded" in the 50s would be called "autistic" today.

They redefined the categories and "suddenly" people became autistic.

Just like in 1776, lots of people "became" Americans all of the sudden even though there were no Americans in 1775.

Since: Sep 07

Los Angeles, CA

#7230 Apr 23, 2013
Done my homework wrote:
<quoted text>
Thanks, when I get a chance I'll read it.
Maybe it does act the same in the digestion process, maybe it doesn't. I guess it would depend on what they spliced together. Too many questions here, but something else has come to mind just now. What if they're splicing .... pork DNA into corn? Some religions, and those who follow dietary restrictions of those certain religions, might consider GMO foods as questionable, so labeling would be necessary.
That is true, however it's also extremely arbitrary on the part of the religious.

If I started a religion that forbid the eating of grain harvested by someone left handed, would that require labeling?

Where does that end?
Anyway, on the whole I see your points and agree with many. It is sad that the typical US citizen has allowed him/herself to become so apathetic and ignorant in these matters.
It doesn't help that the information is not easily available. You yourself couldn't find the text of the prop.

Most CA voters don't know what the props are until the actually show up to vote. There's usually one or two that get a lot of press, but then theres 6-8 more no one discusses

Since: Sep 07

Los Angeles, CA

#7231 Apr 23, 2013
Done my homework wrote:
(a) California consumers have the right to know whether the foods they purchase were produced using genetic engineering. Genetic engineering of plants and animals often causes unintended consequences. Manipulating genes and inserting them into organisms is an imprecise process. The results are not always predictable or controllable, and they can lead to adverse health or environmental consequences.
First paragraph I read.
Yeah, but get down into the rest of it where it starts talking about exceptions and it gets tricky.

Also, this statement is not actually backed up with facts. It sounds good, but they have not actually shown any adverse health consequences.

Not saying they couldn't exist. Just saying they haven't shown them to exist.
really

United States

#7232 Apr 23, 2013
I have seen many children with autism....not convinced its a reality.... most just seem to require discipline!!

Since: Sep 07

Los Angeles, CA

#7233 Apr 23, 2013
really wrote:
I have seen many children with autism....not convinced its a reality.... most just seem to require discipline!!
The autism spectrum is wide. At one end, the person may just come across as shy or undisciplined. At the other end, they are sitting in the corner rocking back and forth and screaming.

"Autism" now covers a HUGE range of disorders, hence the sudden "spike" in autism cases.
Hey

Cookeville, TN

#7236 Apr 23, 2013
Nuggin wrote:
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I'm not a fan of Monsanto either. I believe their rules about farmers not keeping seeds is ridiculous.
however, I am already familiar with the French Rat study. The study had a poor sample size and bad controls.
That doesn't mean that the results weren't accurate. It does mean that they may or may not have been accurate and another better study should be done.
Remember there are huge down the line effects of knee jerk reactions. Ending all GMO foods would result in massive die offs of fish populations as pesticides and fertilizers are required in much higher concentrations. It will result in crop failures during droughts, higher food prices, lower crop yeilds, etc.
A middle ground needs to be sought and that middle ground should include some SERIOUS federal oversight of companies like Monsanto
I believe they have to go.GMOs have to go.Life on this planet has been evolving and unfolding for all these years, This life force connecting all life intune with itself,not for corporate profit and power and campaign cash to keep everyone in tow. This life force continued on from none other than the love of life.
It is as if life itself has been raped and I find it appalling and frighting.
Hey

Cookeville, TN

#7237 Apr 23, 2013
Organic rice farmer in India yields over 22 tons of crop on only 2 acres,proving the fraud of GMOs and Big Ag.
http://www.naturalnews.com/039766_rice_farmin...

Since: Sep 07

Los Angeles, CA

#7238 Apr 23, 2013
Hey wrote:
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I believe they have to go.GMOs have to go.Life on this planet has been evolving and unfolding for all these years, This life force connecting all life intune with itself,not for corporate profit and power and campaign cash to keep everyone in tow. This life force continued on from none other than the love of life.
It is as if life itself has been raped and I find it appalling and frighting.
Just about everything you eat or have eaten was genetically modified by humans.

Every crop, every domestic animal,etc. All of it modified over time.

Science is getting more efficient at it, but it's always been there.
Hey

Cookeville, TN

#7239 Apr 23, 2013
GMOs are different.Here is the difference.
http://www.sunridgefarms.com/news/index.php...

When a donkey and horse are interbred the offspring, the mule, is sterile. These are two different spieces and something does not want this mix to continue.

Since: Sep 07

Los Angeles, CA

#7240 Apr 23, 2013
Hey wrote:
GMOs are different.Here is the difference.
http://www.sunridgefarms.com/news/index.php...
When a donkey and horse are interbred the offspring, the mule, is sterile. These are two different spieces and something does not want this mix to continue.
However both the donkey and the horse got to where they are by human breeding.

Corn was originally teocinte. Modern corn can not breed with teocinte, doesn't mean that we didn't talk it all the way down that path.

Many of our high yield crops are hybrids, some are even sterile.
anon

Johnson City, TN

#7241 Apr 24, 2013
No More wrote:
Do you all want small pox, the plague, polio, whooping cough, and a whole host of other things that have been eradicated to come back. Food additive's are probably more responsible for autism. And diet in general. During the fifties women drank, smoked while preg. and then we got every new shoot in the world and autism was not going crazy then.
i think its alittle bit of all of it
Done my homework

Oak Ridge, TN

#7242 Apr 24, 2013
Nuggin wrote:
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That is true, however it's also extremely arbitrary on the part of the religious.
If I started a religion that forbid the eating of grain harvested by someone left handed, would that require labeling?
Where does that end?
<quoted text>
It doesn't help that the information is not easily available. You yourself couldn't find the text of the prop.
Most CA voters don't know what the props are until the actually show up to vote. There's usually one or two that get a lot of press, but then theres 6-8 more no one discusses
There's no way for me to research everything I'd like to, let alone earn a living AND research. I'm pretty good with Thomas, I sometimes get lucky researching Tennessee bills, but keeping abreast with current events seems to consume so much time lately that much beyond that is pushing my boundaries a bit much.

As for religious restrictions, the ones I refer to are long standing, and more a matter of curiosity than anything else. Maybe a Rabbi could give some insight on this?

Since: Sep 07

Los Angeles, CA

#7243 Apr 24, 2013
Done my homework wrote:
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There's no way for me to research everything I'd like to, let alone earn a living AND research. I'm pretty good with Thomas, I sometimes get lucky researching Tennessee bills, but keeping abreast with current events seems to consume so much time lately that much beyond that is pushing my boundaries a bit much.
As for religious restrictions, the ones I refer to are long standing, and more a matter of curiosity than anything else. Maybe a Rabbi could give some insight on this?
Yes, there are a lot of long standing religious restrictions. The way they've been handled in the past has worked out great. Companies can pursue the niche market and advertise to them accordingly.

There's no federal oversight as to whether or not Hebrew International Hotdogs are actually kosher or not. I'm sure there is some Jewish group that looks into these things and lets it be known if the company is breaking the rules.

Having the government get into the business of overseeing religious dietary standards is just more trouble than its worth
Done my homework

Oak Ridge, TN

#7244 Apr 24, 2013
Nuggin wrote:
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Yes, there are a lot of long standing religious restrictions. The way they've been handled in the past has worked out great. Companies can pursue the niche market and advertise to them accordingly.
There's no federal oversight as to whether or not Hebrew International Hotdogs are actually kosher or not. I'm sure there is some Jewish group that looks into these things and lets it be known if the company is breaking the rules.
Having the government get into the business of overseeing religious dietary standards is just more trouble than its worth
True, but considering how this government likes to meddle in our private lives, it is a wonder they haven't.

I'm sure you're right about companies target marketing certain groups, though at an increased cost. None-the-less such marketing would still require a degree of trust in those companies which may, or may not, be warranted.

Why do you think so many food companies fought so hard against GMO labeling? It surely couldn't cost more than a fraction of a penny to include that with what is already required.

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