Baptist blogger resigns in controvers...

Baptist blogger resigns in controversy over speaking in tongues

There are 98 comments on the WBIR Knoxville story from Feb 5, 2008, titled Baptist blogger resigns in controversy over speaking in tongues. In it, WBIR Knoxville reports that:

An Oklahoma pastor who had been censured for his online blog has resigned as a trustee of the Southern Baptist Convention's International Mission Board.

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Isayso

Knoxville, TN

#66 Feb 7, 2008
But the church that Obama is a member of can put all kinds of racist crap on their site about whites and that all in good.

This just proves that only a black person can speak...even if it is a lie.
jim

United States

#67 Feb 7, 2008
I USED TO GO TO ONE OF THEM CHURCHS IN BRICEVILLE Tn WHERE I WAS RAISED, I THINK THEY USED SNAKES AT THE SAME TIME. IT SCARED THE HELL OUT OF ME AND I COULD NOT SLEEP AT NIGHT AND I HATE SNAKES TODAY, don,t know if they have them here in the bay area of Ca. or not, don,t care eather.but still like Tn. GO VOLS !!
Grady

United States

#68 Feb 7, 2008
Great Goobledee Goop.
Ester

United States

#69 Feb 7, 2008
Grady, you came here with teeth.
Grady, do you wanna leave with teeth?
Fred

United States

#70 Feb 7, 2008
Give her five across her lips Grady.
hi yall

Troy, MI

#71 Feb 7, 2008
How did he Blog in tongues? wikedjdjrufyzsikzmcjnfitid????

“James a Prophet of Yeshua ”

Since: Dec 07

Everywhere and Nowhere

#72 Feb 7, 2008
Lilly Anne wrote:
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Hmmm, did he really say that a woman should be seen and not heard? Where does it say that in the bible? I wonder if maybe it is a mistranslation? I will study this further. Anyhoo, I appreciate you sticking up for women James. Maybe you're OK after all.:-)
Let the woman learn in silence with all subjection. But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence. 1 Timothy 2:11-12

Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience, as also saith the law. And if they will learn any thing, let them ask their husbands at home: for it is a shame for women to speak in the church. 1 Corinthians 14:34-35

This is not true the Lord has given his Holy Spirit to both men and to women equally that BOTH may be witnesses and testify of him and glorify our Lord God Almighty in Yeshua's name.

James a Prophet of
Yeshua HaMashiach
http://www.angelfire.com/theforce/james

“James a Prophet of Yeshua ”

Since: Dec 07

Everywhere and Nowhere

#73 Feb 7, 2008
Lilly Anne wrote:
<quoted text>
James, you may want to take it easy on the "son of Satan" stuff. That's just a tad excessive. Not all prophets are perfect, they are/were just human after all. Paul did the best he could. Maybe he got whole women being submissive stuff wrong. This is why sometimes I wonder if maybe we take the writings of the prophets in the bible a little too literally??
Beware the leaven of the Pharisees. I proclaim Paul to be the son of his father Satan because our Heavenly Father and our Brother Yeshua have so stated it to me. If it were not so I would not say it was so.

James a Prophet of
Yeshua HaMashiach
http://www.angelfire.com/theforce/james
capone

Gallatin, TN

#74 Feb 7, 2008
Glen Ellington wrote:
It's such a shame that the Baptist party line denies the evidence of this spiritual gift . There seems to be a mistaken notion that all the supernatural gifts mentioned in First Corinthians 12 and 14 passed away .
What a ridiculous idea! If anyone needed supernatural help living the Christian life it is the Church of the 21st Century. Just because some of these manifestations can get out of control sometimes is no reason to deny their validity.
Well said; thank you.
capone

Gallatin, TN

#75 Feb 7, 2008
Lunatic fringe wrote:
Paul spent a lot of time writing about this issue of speaking in tongues, mostly admonishing followers to avoid using "tongues" to decieve, mislead or maintain an air of privacy. As he pointed out, five words of understanding are better than 10 thousand in a tongue.
Yea, but right above that, he said that he spoke in tongues more than ye all..........
capone

Gallatin, TN

#76 Feb 7, 2008
KATBALOU wrote:
<quoted text>
MAY GOD BLESS YOU
MY MOTHER WAS A BAPTIST AND SHE STAYED ON HER KNEES UNTIL SHE RECIVIED THE HOLY GHOST SHE HAD POWER AFTER THE HOLY GHOST AND WISDOM
I LOVE IT!!!! PRAISE THE LORD!!!!
Lilly Anne

Waynesboro, TN

#77 Feb 7, 2008
James a Prophet of Yeshua wrote:
<quoted text>
Beware the leaven of the Pharisees. I proclaim Paul to be the son of his father Satan because our Heavenly Father and our Brother Yeshua have so stated it to me. If it were not so I would not say it was so.
James a Prophet of
Yeshua HaMashiach
http://www.angelfire.com/theforce/james
He told you? Does he speak to you directly or in dreams?
Lilly Anne

Waynesboro, TN

#78 Feb 7, 2008
James a Prophet of Yeshua wrote:
<quoted text>
Let the woman learn in silence with all subjection. But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence. 1 Timothy 2:11-12
Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience, as also saith the law. And if they will learn any thing, let them ask their husbands at home: for it is a shame for women to speak in the church. 1 Corinthians 14:34-35
This is not true the Lord has given his Holy Spirit to both men and to women equally that BOTH may be witnesses and testify of him and glorify our Lord God Almighty in Yeshua's name.
James a Prophet of
Yeshua HaMashiach
http://www.angelfire.com/theforce/james
Wow. You're right. That really was in there. I am truly flabbergasted now. Now I understand why many churches don't allow women to have any leadership positions in the church. I hope that you're right and that Jesus really meant for men and women to be equal. Thank you for the information.

“James a Prophet of Yeshua ”

Since: Dec 07

Everywhere and Nowhere

#79 Feb 7, 2008
Lilly Anne wrote:
<quoted text>
He told you? Does he speak to you directly or in dreams?
We talk on a regular daily basis why doesn't he talk to you too?

James a Prophet of
Yeshua HaMashiach
http://www.angelfire.com/theforce/james

“James a Prophet of Yeshua ”

Since: Dec 07

Everywhere and Nowhere

#80 Feb 7, 2008
Lilly Anne wrote:
<quoted text>
Wow. You're right. That really was in there. I am truly flabbergasted now. Now I understand why many churches don't allow women to have any leadership positions in the church. I hope that you're right and that Jesus really meant for men and women to be equal. Thank you for the information.
Hear the word of the Lord Yeshua from the mouth of his disciple Peter.

And it shall come to pass in the last days, saith God, I will pour out of my Spirit upon all flesh: and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, and your young men shall see visions, and your old men shall dream dreams: Acts 2:17

So ladies open your mouths and speak BOLDLY as the Spirit of God gives you utterance.

James a Prophet of
Yeshua HaMashiach
http://www.angelfire.com/theforce/james
Rusty Buckets

Filer, ID

#81 Feb 8, 2008
I have been watching Jesus Culture videos on you tube and thinking finally, praise music that doesnt stink, I realize that praise comes from the heart and it is offered up to God but that is why it should be refined and the best men have to offer. But I am torn, as soon as I saw Kim Walker speaking in tongues I got an uneasy feeling. I was really getting the "chills down my spine" her music is so good but is it too good? Is it really glorifying God or are they glorifying themselves? Should praise musicians wear robes and hide in the dark with only the cross illuminated? Or turn their backs to the crowd to face the cross? What is with the lights and the jumping up and down? Don't get me wrong I love it but that is why I am now questioning it. It is pleasing to my ears, pleasing to my flesh, is it pleasing to GOD? Or are we just having a rock concert and GOD is the sponsor like Billy Graham presents?
Lilly Anne

Kansas City, MO

#82 Feb 8, 2008
James a Prophet of Yeshua wrote:
<quoted text>
We talk on a regular daily basis why doesn't he talk to you too?
James a Prophet of
Yeshua HaMashiach
http://www.angelfire.com/theforce/james
Well, not out loud. I try to percieve what he is telling me in my heart, but sometimes I'm not sure. I would love it if he spoke to me out loud to guide me.
Just Stating The Facts

Knoxville, TN

#83 Feb 8, 2008
Lilly Anne wrote:
<quoted text>
Is there always someone there to translate? What kinds of things does the Holy Spirit say?
Well 2 Sundays ago when the woman spoke in tongues and she translated it. I have the cd of the message but some of the things I remember is him speaking through her and saying I'm coming very soon and I will judge oh yes I will judge and also to take advantage of every moment.

“James a Prophet of Yeshua ”

Since: Dec 07

Everywhere and Nowhere

#84 Feb 8, 2008
Lilly Anne wrote:
<quoted text>
Well, not out loud. I try to percieve what he is telling me in my heart, but sometimes I'm not sure. I would love it if he spoke to me out loud to guide me.
But he answered and said, It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God. Matthew 4:4

Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that entereth not by the door into the sheepfold, but climbeth up some other way, the same is a thief and a robber. But he that entereth in by the door is the shepherd of the sheep. To him the porter openeth; and the sheep hear his voice: and he calleth his own sheep by name, and leadeth them out. And when he putteth forth his own sheep, he goeth before them, and the sheep follow him: for they know his voice. And a stranger will they not follow, but will flee from him: for they know not the voice of strangers. John 10:1-5

So you see the lord Yeshua tells us that both he and our Heavenly Father talk to us in an audible voice. Only we have to believe they can first and we must be able to receive their words.

But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you. John 14:26

This is why we need the baptism in the Holy Spirit. Where the Holy Spirit dwells within us making us one with our Heavenly Father as he is one with us.

Moreover when ye fast, be not, as the hypocrites, of a sad countenance: for they disfigure their faces, that they may appear unto men to fast. Verily I say unto you, They have their reward. But thou, when thou fastest, anoint thine head, and wash thy face; That thou appear not unto men to fast, but unto thy Father which is in secret: and thy Father, which seeth in secret, shall reward thee openly. Matthew 6:16-18

When we fast we are taken directly into the Holy of Holies where Satan cannot enter and we find ourselves sitting at the feet of our father.

Then came the disciples to Yeshua apart, and said, Why could not we cast him out? And Yeshua said unto them, Because of your unbelief: for verily I say unto you, If ye have faith as a grain of mustard seed, ye shall say unto this mountain, Remove hence to yonder place; and it shall remove; and nothing shall be impossible unto you. Howbeit this kind goeth not out but by prayer and fasting. Matthew 17:19-21

Praying while fasting is not an option but a requirement for us to stay ready to do battle with the enemy. So many times I have started to pray over someone to find they have an demon in them and if I were not already in the spirit from prayer and fasting the demon would not have left that person. Prayer and fasting keeps us close to our Father where God's POWER is the greatest and the enemy IS NOT able to deceive us.

James a Prophet of
Yeshua HaMashiach
http://www.angelfire.com/theforce/james

“James a Prophet of Yeshua ”

Since: Dec 07

Everywhere and Nowhere

#85 Feb 8, 2008
Just Stating The Facts wrote:
<quoted text>Well 2 Sundays ago when the woman spoke in tongues and she translated it. I have the cd of the message but some of the things I remember is him speaking through her and saying I'm coming very soon and I will judge oh yes I will judge and also to take advantage of every moment.
Several years ago I attended a church where every Sunday one of the deacons would stand up during the service speaking in tongues and then he would give the interpretation. Then one Sunday while I was in his car on our way to church he told me about something he had read in some Christian article earlier that week.

Well low and behold he stood up in the service and again began speaking in tongues and he gave the interpretation. The interpretation he gave was the verbatim statement he had said on the way to church not more than an hour earlier. That was when I realized that there were other there who were also speaking in tongues and every time they would stop talking someone else would stand up and give the interpretation. Not only that but the interpretations would all line up and have a single point where this deacon's was always way off and not even consistent with the others.

James a Prophet of
Yeshua HaMashiach
http://www.angelfire.com/theforce/james

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