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New UC admissions policy gives white students a better chance,...

There are 56 comments on the San Jose Mercury News story from Mar 31, 2009, titled New UC admissions policy gives white students a better chance,.... In it, San Jose Mercury News reports that:

A new University of California admissions policy, adopted to increase campus diversity, could actually increase the number of white students on campuses while driving down the Asian population.

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Rani

Rochester, MN

#44 Apr 29, 2009
samizdat literature wrote:
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I'm all for "merit" based admissions. I'm just not nieve enough to believe that the admissions will be based on merit alone. If you disagree, simply take a look back at what admissions was like BEFORE Affirmative Action came into play and there's your answer.
I don't think you can compare the environment in the 60's to what it is today. After all, people of America were open-minded enough to elect a Black President who continues to have an approval rating of 80%.

If anything it's the predominately white staff at colleges that are fighting to retain Affirmative Action so your implication that colleges are racist simply doesn't hold true.
yeah a white devil

New York, NY

#45 Apr 29, 2009
Observer wrote:
Affirmative action should be banned altogether. The person with the most merit should be allowed to attend. Race should not be even taken into consideration.
If that was the case, the Black species would be picking cotton again.
yeah a white devil

New York, NY

#46 Apr 29, 2009
MirrorOfDahomey wrote:
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Yes, we already know what's going on when "white" people talk about playing fair.
We aren't stupid, we know they have never been fair. They have always been about giving themselves special treatment because they think they are superior to anyone that is not white.
You are a classic example of a psycho.
samizdat literature

Staten Island, NY

#47 Apr 29, 2009
Rani wrote:
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I don't think you can compare the environment in the 60's to what it is today. After all, people of America were open-minded enough to elect a Black President who continues to have an approval rating of 80%.
If anything it's the predominately white staff at colleges that are fighting to retain Affirmative Action so your implication that colleges are racist simply doesn't hold true.
I agree, society today isn't exactly mirror what is was in yesteryears. However, it sounds to me as if you want to gamble 'fairness' on good faith and depndence on whites to 'do the right thing.' That may sound warm and cozy to you and your kind--but then again you have nothing to lose in the grand scheme of things. Let's face reality--there has never been anything that is purely "merit based" by the numbers. Period. There never has been and there never will be.

BTW the president of the U.S. isn't "black".

And I disagree that admissions staff at predominantly white insitutions favor affirmative action...many of them are just simply doing their jobs. Higher ups may see the benefit, but surely it's a small circle of liberal minded whites.

Since: Feb 09

Location hidden

#48 Apr 29, 2009
Might mention one of the times I had to laugh was when an Afro American I work with white wife lost out on a promotion because our workplace was told it needed to promote more Hispanics. Lets us say he was not happy and at that time he could have passed for Ward Connerly.
Jari

San Antonio, TX

#49 Apr 29, 2009
True Freedom wrote:
As a white man, I've always been in favor of a purely merit based system. If this means more Asians, as a percentage, are taking the top slots.. then this just means other groups need to work harder.
I live near a predominantly Asian city, and as a generalization, I definitely see a hard core push to excel in academics in the Asian community...
The world will continue to get more competitive. If we as a society don't adapt, we'll be left behind... and most of the job/ wealth creation will be in other parts of the world (like India and East Asia.. happening already), and we will become the country of manual labor.
So, I applaud the Asian community for generally raising the bar... looks like some of us have some catching up to do.
Co Sign...people should get in based on the work they do and qualification....

“a good community is OUR job”

Since: Mar 09

Pasadena

#50 Apr 30, 2009
In America, the term "equality" is bantered around quite a bit. I think there is a disturbing trend in America, where many people interpret equality to mean that we will all be equal. People are not equal. Some people are smart, some are dumb. Some are creative, some aren't. Some are motivated, others are lazy.

Equality really means there should be equal opportunity... All we need to do is guard against bias in the system which inhibits equal opportunity.

then, we let the chips fall where they may.

The Big Time

“Runs Like a Deere”

Since: Jan 07

Forest Park, GA

#51 Apr 30, 2009
Harrison Bergeron


by Kurt Vonnegut (1961)







I'd like you to read this famous story and think about whether Nietzsche wasn't on to something when he criticized the naive idea of human equality.



THE YEAR WAS 2081, and everybody was finally equal. They weren’t only equal before God and the law. They were equal every which way. Nobody was smarter than anybody else. Nobody was better looking than anybody else. Nobody was stronger or quicker than anybody else. All this equality was due to the 211th, 212th, and 213th Amendments to the Constitution, and to the unceasing vigilance of agents of the United States Handicapper General.


Some things about living still weren’t quite right, though. April, for instance, still drove people crazy by not being springtime. And it was in that clammy month that the H-G men took George and Hazel Bergeron’s fourteen-year-old son, Harrison, away.

http://instruct.westvalley.edu/lafave/hb.html
Make Way

Palo Alto, CA

#52 May 1, 2009
B.S. That's all there is to it.
Bilbo Baggins

United States

#53 May 1, 2009
Jim wrote:
If you don't like it, Asians, then go home. I'm white. My son is white. I want him to attend USC. Angry? What right do you have to be angry? This is America, not China. Again, don't like it? Go home!
Go back to Europe!
Bilbo Baggins

United States

#54 May 1, 2009
My joke to Jim aside...

Most of you folks don't seem to understand the new admission policy. They are removing the SAT subject test from consideration as admission to UCs. They are not (officially) looking at race at all. This is not officially affirmative action for anyone.

Removing the SAT subject test improves chances for (primarily) Whites, Blacks, and Latinos. Why? It's because they statistically do worse on these tests than Asians despite the fact that the SAT subject test allows you to choose your own subject.

The supposed reason for the change in UC admissions has been to increase the proportion of Black and Latino students in UCs. However, this change increases those populations by only a small margin while it increases the White student admissions by 10%. This is why people find the changes suspicious.

If I were to throw my own guess in there, I believe the UC Regents really were trying to increase the Black and Latino students at UCs. However, I also believe one of their main motive in implementing this plan was to increase the number of White students more than anything else. It wasn't particularly to decrease the number of Asian students, that just happened to be necessary to be able to increase White students. It's collateral damage; someone had to get screwed in order for this to happen,and if they screwed over the Black and Latino students who are already in low numbers, they would get a lot of heat from the very large and very vocal population of Black and Latino communities in the United States.

“a good community is OUR job”

Since: Mar 09

Pasadena

#55 May 1, 2009
Bilbo Baggins wrote:
Most of you folks don't seem to understand the new admission policy. They are removing the SAT subject test from consideration as admission to UCs. They are not (officially) looking at race at all. This is not officially affirmative action for anyone.
Well, if you mean it's not "official" because they are not calling it "affirmative action" explicitly...

But, I think most of us are intelligent enough to connect the dots here. If the regents are discounting tests with the motivation of biasing the admission numbers... then whether they state it explicitly or not... it's affirmative action.

It's the motivation, not the official name, that counts.

(before anyone thinks I'm asian.. I ain't! I'm a good ol' white boy from the south)
Observer

United States

#56 May 29, 2009
MirrorOfDahomey wrote:
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Yes and again, of course those black firefighters didn't pass the test, because the people that administered the test were making sure it looked like they didn't pass.
In order to keep up the stereotype that black people are not as smart as white people, they change black people's test scores to make whites look superior.
And of course the latinos are going to chime in because they want to be apart of white people.
The people that give the test can do whatever they want with your results, how would you know if your result is true or not with all of these bigots running around?
I know they deliberately changed the results of the tests to make it look like the blacks were not qualified. Just like the old days, you white people are still either screwing someone over or you are keeping up your hatred.
Do you have proof that the tests scores were changed illigitimately?
Yup

Pelham, NY

#57 Aug 28, 2012
Sad to say:
Affirmative Action and Equal Opportunity employer, etc, is a racist policy of itself. It only helps Blacks and Latinos.
Those that didn't earn it by merit, only by color of skin. When Blacks and Latinos argue for minority rights they only mean for themselves. They don't include European Immigrants, Asian, etc.
actionpacked

San Francisco, CA

#59 Aug 29, 2012
why are colleges with a predominantly asian-american population are still seen as if it's being taken over by foreigners? as asian-americans are getting snubbed in academics, even when they do excel in it, it doesn't guarantee they'll land the job they deserve because a lot of the time it's about "not what you know, but who you know." i'm glad whites in places like california are feeling the turmoil of being a minority. this is what drives people to work harder like how blacks have dominated american sports, and now asians in education. it seems like whites are having a hard time adjusting to being #2 in this country. get use to it.
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