Amanda Knox: What if she's innocent?

Jan 30, 2008 Full story: Seattle Post-Intelligencer 2,923

“The picture that emerges from the statements of the men and women who knew Meredith and her friends is one of an extended group.”

By Candace Dempsey . Since I first called murder suspect Amanda Knox innocent until proven guilty , I've become calm about death threats. via Seattle Post-Intelligencer

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JLS1950

Seattle, WA

#1197 Jul 14, 2012
spiderman wrote:
gompertz, you have shown yourself to be laughably ignorant of the facts.
1/ You say Rudy was a gifted athlete. in reality he is quite a small man and only played basketball with his mates down the local park. he represented no local, regional, national team in any sports either semi pro or pro capacity. bit of a stretch to call him a gifted athlete.
Gompertz does not suggest that Guede was a RECOGNIZED athlete, but he most certainly is very wiry and athletic. We know that he could climb that wall easily because we know that he had made similar climbs during earlier burglaries in which he was identified, and also because we have a set of photographs showing that even an attorney in an Armani suit can make the climb using the iron lattice bars on the lower window as a ladder.
spiderman wrote:
2/ the view of filomenas window is in clear view of the road this fact is undisputed and very well documented,
Using Google Earth, it is easy to "visit" the scene and establish that in the dark of night the window is quite difficult to see from the street.
spiderman wrote:
3/ contrary to your knowledge the defence team and the prosecution, indeed all parties visited the cottage one day to specifically attempt to recreate a climb up to filomenas window. The attempts including those made by a very tall defence lawyer ended in abstract failure. i'm suprised you are so ignorant of the facts.
The defence lawyer in the Armani suit was clearly not more than about 5'-6" - if that. We have seen the photos. And he did climb far enough to establish that entry was entirely possible. Other evidence (position of broken glass on the sill) shows that entry was made by this route.
spiderman wrote:
4/ Amanda knox was the only person, apart from laura, filomena and meredith who knew there was the likelyhood of any monies in the cottage. it is well documented that there was a conversation between meredith and filomena and knox about paying the rent that particular month.
It was the 1st of the month, and ALL apartment dwellers tended to have rent money at hand - which owing to the Nov 1 holiday was due the NEXT day.
spiderman wrote:
5/ There was plenty of DNA present in the house to tie knox and sollecito to the murder
No Knox DNA was ever found or even claimed to have been found in the murder room, and reports of Knox DNA mixed with Meredith's blood in footprints elsewhere have been proved false (all prints were tested for blood and all were negative, as established by Stefanoni's own records.)
spiderman wrote:
6/ there was definite evidence of an attempt at a clean up.
you are clearly someone who has only recently found an interest in this case. your knowledge of the facts is poor. you really need to do some reading before you attempt to mock others. Please don't presume to tell me what i believe about the motive for the murder
Actually, the police chemical detection efforts (luminol studies) showed conclusively that the cottage floor had not been "mopped with bleach" in perhaps MONTHS. And the presence of Rudy Guede's own clearly-attributable foot and shoe prints in Meredith's own blood clearly attest that the floor was not mopped at all after the murder. Fingerprint studies were entirely normal - except they were performed in very limited manner. The clothes in the washer/dryer were clean and DRY from an earlier cycle. Amanda's bloodless clothing from that night was in full view on her own bed. Meredith's "missing" clothing was found where POLICE had stuffed it in a hamper. There was no "clean up".
JLS1950

Seattle, WA

#1198 Jul 14, 2012
Slayer wrote:
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The DNA was not discredited in AK's case. A couple of academicians who had zero experience in field work did as they were told and provided the conclusions they were paid to present! Even they admitted in court testimony that the DNA found on the knife was that of MK. They also provided no viable explanation for the co-mingling of AK and MK DNA in fresh blood droppings.
I can already tell by your post that you are utterly convinced that AK is innocent -- but you've been taken in by the professional lies of a public relations machine paid for by the Knox/Mellas families. Money is the name of the game for them. If Italy decides not to pursue AK, her second book will be a complete confession of what she did! That would be a best seller!
First of all, "Dr." Stefanoni is the one proved to have no generally-accepted certifications whatsoever in DNA analysis. The court-appointed experts, Conti and Vecchiotti, are in fact recognized experts and masters in DNA analysis science. Slayer's statement is like saying that Albert Einstein didn't know anything about light - while asserting that his contemporary, Helen Keller - was a foremost expert on fine optics and color discrimination!

Conti and Vecchiotti actually stated that while the Knox DNA found on the knife was likely hers from epithelial (skin) cells, the "Meredith DNA" so claimed was likely not DNA at all, and that the knife had absolutely never been on contact with blood nor "scrubbed with bleach".

Except for the bathroom, no evidence of AK DNA mixed with any blood whatsoever was ever actually found (based on Stefanoni's actual forensic work records and despite perjurious claims.) Whether mixed DNA with blood was actually found in the bathroom is a matter of some dispute, but given that both Knox and Meredith lived in the flat and used the bathroom regularly - and that Rudy Guede washed blood from his hands and perhaps feet in the bathroom sink - makes such findings (if present at all) entirely meaningless.

Money probably was a major motivation for Maresca - when he had promised the Kercher family some 30 million non-existant dollars!
cielo

Manchester, UK

#1199 Jul 15, 2012
They are both guilty, but have been released due to a combination of political pressure and PR. I hope they are brought back to court and punished properly for what they did. I'd like to see where all their hangers on are then.

you make me sick to my stomach

“The ability to reason is good”

Since: Apr 10

North Adams, MA

#1201 Jul 15, 2012
cielo wrote:
They are both guilty, but have been released due to a combination of political pressure and PR. I hope they are brought back to court and punished properly for what they did. I'd like to see where all their hangers on are then.
you make me sick to my stomach
silly cielo you are just another typical guilter who takes personal speculation over fact. your theory on propaganda is invalid so please just take your 1 post wonders someplace off topix, or the internet for that matter and take it to one of these places
1) the center of a black hole
2) Sife Island
3 Kaffeklubben Island
honestly nobody wants to hear mindless speculating trolls such as yourself it is degrading

“The ability to reason is good”

Since: Apr 10

North Adams, MA

#1202 Jul 15, 2012
cielo wrote:
They are both guilty, but have been released due to a combination of political pressure and PR. I hope they are brought back to court and punished properly for what they did. I'd like to see where all their hangers on are then.
you make me sick to my stomach
silly cielo, your speculation is invalid. fact is that Amanda was not at the scene of the crime as no DNA was linked to her. No propaganda is needed to prove an innocent person innocent. please do us all a favor and take your trolling off the internet in fact one of these remote places would be more suitable
Sife Island
Kaffeklubben Island
The Center of a Black Hole
nobody likes a narrow minded troll who fabricates their own conclusions because they refuse to believe stone solid fact.
spiderman

Manchester, UK

#1203 Jul 15, 2012
GUILTY AS SIN

and your even worse than her
Slayer

Moody, AL

#1204 Jul 19, 2012
JLS1950 wrote:
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First of all, "Dr." Stefanoni is the one proved to have no generally-accepted certifications whatsoever in DNA analysis. The court-appointed experts, Conti and Vecchiotti, are in fact recognized experts and masters in DNA analysis science. Slayer's statement is like saying that Albert Einstein didn't know anything about light - while asserting that his contemporary, Helen Keller - was a foremost expert on fine optics and color discrimination!
Conti and Vecchiotti actually stated that while the Knox DNA found on the knife was likely hers from epithelial (skin) cells, the "Meredith DNA" so claimed was likely not DNA at all, and that the knife had absolutely never been on contact with blood nor "scrubbed with bleach".
Except for the bathroom, no evidence of AK DNA mixed with any blood whatsoever was ever actually found (based on Stefanoni's actual forensic work records and despite perjurious claims.) Whether mixed DNA with blood was actually found in the bathroom is a matter of some dispute, but given that both Knox and Meredith lived in the flat and used the bathroom regularly - and that Rudy Guede washed blood from his hands and perhaps feet in the bathroom sink - makes such findings (if present at all) entirely meaningless.
Money probably was a major motivation for Maresca - when he had promised the Kercher family some 30 million non-existant dollars!
Your posts have repeatedly shown to be nothing more than your incredibly colorful imagination!

There is no point in arguing with people like you who seek to defend the indefensible.

There will come a time when the real Amanda Knox will reveal herself again, either in her actions of physically harming another female, OR, in finally confessing in a book to what she did to Meredith.

Either way, you will still be bloviating about her complete innocence. I fell sorry for you, since you've revealed you suffer from some degree of autism. It must be hell to be you.
spiderman

Aberystwyth, UK

#1205 Jul 19, 2012
@JLS 1950

You talk absolute rubbish. i agree with Slayer that Knox will one day be exposed for the cold calculating murdering sexually abusive monster that she is. You on the the other hand are a simply a moron.
JLS1950

Seattle, WA

#1206 Jul 19, 2012
Slayer wrote:
<quoted text>
Your posts have repeatedly shown to be nothing more than your incredibly colorful imagination!
There is no point in arguing with people like you who seek to defend the indefensible.
There will come a time when the real Amanda Knox will reveal herself again, either in her actions of physically harming another female, OR, in finally confessing in a book to what she did to Meredith.
Either way, you will still be bloviating about her complete innocence. I fell sorry for you, since you've revealed you suffer from some degree of autism. It must be hell to be you.
I see you have run right out of actual arguments and now have nothing left but argumentum ad hominem.

Well, the truth of the matter is that I have likely lived more than twice as long as you, and have seen commensurately more examples of both justice and injustice - including murders. And as for my "autism", Asperger Syndrome actually is correlated with elevated IQ - it is widely held that Albert Einstein was so affected.

But the bottom line here is that you can plunk your magic twanger all day long, but it won't turn froggie into a prince - or your cartoon fantasies into reality.
JLS1950

Seattle, WA

#1207 Jul 19, 2012
spiderman wrote:
@JLS 1950
You talk absolute rubbish. i agree with Slayer that Knox will one day be exposed for the cold calculating murdering sexually abusive monster that she is. You on the the other hand are a simply a moron.
...and you "know" all this... how?

I am truly sorry for your countrywoman and for her family, but the clear truth of the matter is that Meredith Kercher was murdered by the Ivorian, and both Knox and Sollecito were framed for the crime by incompetent and anti-American police and a megalomaniac prosecutor on a self-aggrandizing power trip.

I'm sorry that you cannot (or will not) understand the meaning of "innocent".

“what does it all mean?”

Since: Apr 09

somewhere in Bavaria

#1208 Jul 19, 2012
spiderman wrote:
@JLS 1950
You talk absolute rubbish. i agree with Slayer that Knox will one day be exposed for the cold calculating murdering sexually abusive monster that she is. You on the the other hand are a simply a moron.
Silly guilters can keep hurling insults, stamping their feet and gnashing their teeth in impotent rage all they want. They cling to their fantasies like the Cargo Cultists of New Guinea, still waiting for the big birds to return. They react with rage when someone tries to tell them about the real world beyond the shadows of their fevered imagination. The truth is out there, but they reject it. Too bad....
JLS1950

Seattle, WA

#1209 Jul 20, 2012
gompertz wrote:
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Silly guilters can keep hurling insults, stamping their feet and gnashing their teeth in impotent rage all they want. They cling to their fantasies like the Cargo Cultists of New Guinea, still waiting for the big birds to return. They react with rage when someone tries to tell them about the real world beyond the shadows of their fevered imagination. The truth is out there, but they reject it. Too bad....
"Cargo Cult" makes an interesting and effective analogy, gompertz. I had heard the term before but had not really paid close attention to the origin or meaning until you used it. I found this on Wikipedia:

"Cargo cult activity in the Pacific region increased significantly during and immediately after World War II, when the residents of these regions observed the Japanese and American combatants bringing in large amounts of material. When the war ended, the military bases closed and the flow of goods and materials ceased. In an attempt to attract further deliveries of goods, followers of the cults engaged in ritualistic practices such as building crude imitation landing strips, aircraft and radio equipment, and mimicking the behavior that they had observed of the military personnel operating them."

God help us, but does this suggest that all the little proto tyrants will be building mock courtrooms and conducting mock "luminol" studies and collecting "DNA" - and then standing up to behave just like that pompous @ss, Mignini? Lemons to lemonade - maybe we can sell tickets...?

“what does it all mean?”

Since: Apr 09

somewhere in Bavaria

#1210 Jul 20, 2012
JLS1950 wrote:
<quoted text>
"Cargo Cult" makes an interesting and effective analogy, gompertz. I had heard the term before but had not really paid close attention to the origin or meaning until you used it. I found this on Wikipedia:
"Cargo cult activity in the Pacific region increased significantly during and immediately after World War II, when the residents of these regions observed the Japanese and American combatants bringing in large amounts of material. When the war ended, the military bases closed and the flow of goods and materials ceased. In an attempt to attract further deliveries of goods, followers of the cults engaged in ritualistic practices such as building crude imitation landing strips, aircraft and radio equipment, and mimicking the behavior that they had observed of the military personnel operating them."
God help us, but does this suggest that all the little proto tyrants will be building mock courtrooms and conducting mock "luminol" studies and collecting "DNA" - and then standing up to behave just like that pompous @ss, Mignini? Lemons to lemonade - maybe we can sell tickets...?
Yes! Everything will be imitation, except the cartoons. Lots and lots of cartoons...
JLS1950

Seattle, WA

#1211 Jul 21, 2012
gompertz wrote:
<quoted text>
Yes! Everything will be imitation, except the cartoons. Lots and lots of cartoons...
Cartoons... GREAT thought! Maybe we can get Matt Groening to take this on. Lisa as Amanda; Nelson as Raffaele; maybe Krabappel as the victim Meredith - except we'll have to resurrect her. Chief Wiggam as Giobbi, of course. Nobody but Mr. Burns could do Mignini - and Smithers as Maresca. Either Patty or Selma as Stefanoni - and the other as Comodi. Maude Flanders as Peggy Ganong; Mayor Quimby can be Quenell. Krusty would make the perfect Massei, and Dr. Hibbert could do a reasonable Hellmann. Maybe Fat Tony as Rudy. Barney Gumble can be the homeless man on the bench. Probably can use Kang and Kodos plus the Happy Little Elves as guilters...

Ah, come on Matt, it would be HILARIOUS!

Since: Jul 11

Location hidden

#1212 Jul 21, 2012
so did she do it? and has she really turned lesbian in the womens prison?
Tony

Italy

#1213 Jul 21, 2012
Amanda Knox was a poutana

she deserved prison for life or death penalty
JLS1950

Seattle, WA

#1214 Jul 21, 2012
Tony wrote:
Amanda Knox was a poutana
she deserved prison for life or death penalty
She turned you down, huh?
spiderman

Manchester, UK

#1215 Jul 22, 2012
JLS
There have been strides made in DNA testing recently, and due to these enhanced techniques a fella in the UK was convicted of murder, 20 some years after committing the crime.
These cutting edge techniques are widely recognised in the scientific community, and may well play a part in any future judicial process against the two of them.
When the supreme court of Italy rule next spring, and they will, that AK and RS must come back to answer to the still ongoing murder charges against them, i believe we will finally see justice done.
I will look forward to the cell door banging shut behind them both.
The nonsense you come out with is laughable. You are laughable. IMO you don't have the brain capacity to understand any of the hard evidence against these two sickos.
if Knox told you the moon was made of green cheese you would believe her you sick lovelorn puppy.
the clocks ticking JLS fool

“what does it all mean?”

Since: Apr 09

somewhere in Bavaria

#1216 Jul 22, 2012
spiderman wrote:
JLS
There have been strides made in DNA testing recently, and due to these enhanced techniques a fella in the UK was convicted of murder, 20 some years after committing the crime.
These cutting edge techniques are widely recognised in the scientific community, and may well play a part in any future judicial process against the two of them.
When the supreme court of Italy rule next spring, and they will, that AK and RS must come back to answer to the still ongoing murder charges against them, i believe we will finally see justice done.
I will look forward to the cell door banging shut behind them both.
The nonsense you come out with is laughable. You are laughable. IMO you don't have the brain capacity to understand any of the hard evidence against these two sickos.
if Knox told you the moon was made of green cheese you would believe her you sick lovelorn puppy.
the clocks ticking JLS fool
Spiderman, your ad hominem attacks, combined with your failure to present any evidence to support your position, make you look ridiculous. You are grasping at straws with references to cutting edge techniques that you imagine will invalidate Conti-Vecchiotti. To be clear, it is not the techniques which are imaginary, but only your assumption that these techniques will furnish you with the proof you need. Yes, science is always advancing and soon we will find the cure for all known diseases, bestow immortality on everyone and make Mickey Mouse come alive. The return of the Big Birds can't be far off!
Slayer

Sylacauga, AL

#1217 Jul 23, 2012
JLS1950 wrote:
<quoted text>
Well, the truth of the matter is that I have likely lived more than twice as long as you, and have seen commensurately more examples of both justice and injustice - including murders. And as for my "autism", Asperger Syndrome actually is correlated with elevated IQ - it is widely held that Albert Einstein was so affected.
In your case, it is clear that age does NOT equal wisdom! Also: afflication with Asperger's Syndrome does NOT often equal above average IQ, and far more often an incapacity to understand genuine human emotion and show empathy.
JLS1950 wrote:
But the bottom line here is that you can plunk your magic twanger all day long, but it won't turn froggie into a prince - or your cartoon fantasies into reality.
The real bottom line here is YOU continue to draw a coorelation between those who believe AK is quilty and an absurd desire to have sex with her...note your response to another poster above. This preoccupation of yours reveals YOUR desires far more than any other tripe you post. Pervert!

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